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>Paul Koning wrote:
>>On Nov 13, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey all --
>>
>>Now that I have my PDP-11/05 running nicely, I'm curious what others are
>>running on small systems like this -- until this point I've only played
>>with larger (i.e. at least 28KW memory) systems. I have only 8KW of memory
>>(with no viable options for expansion) and there's not much out there that
>>I've found. There's paper-tape BASIC (which is always fun) and FOCAL, and
>>PTS-11 (http://iamvirtual.ca/PDP-11/PTS-11/PTS-11.htm) which is pretty cool
>>if a bit cumbersome. Any other suggestions?
>>
>>I'm also curious if any version of RT-11 that supports the TU58 could be
>>made to run on this system -- I have two SLUs in the system so in theory I
>>can boot from an emulated TU58. However RT-11 4.0's SYSGEN manuals suggest
>>that 12KW is the minimum supported (and experimentation bears this out) and
>>I can't find much in the way of manuals for RT-11 V3B -- which I believe is
>>the earliest version with TU58 support. (V3B seems to be different enough
>>from later versions that I'm not quite sure how the SYSGEN process works.)
>>
>>
>
>RT11 V2 SJ will certainly fit easily in that size memory. DOS will fit even in 4K (at least the older versions). Come to think of it, RT might also; I haven't tried it that small.
>
> paul
>
NOTE: I don't have a real PDP-11/05. All my tests
were done under Ersatz-11.
I just tried to boot V04.00 of RT-11 on a PDP-11/05
using an RK05 device (RK:) under the RT11SJ.SYS
monitor. First I set the memory to 32 KB (16KW)
and it worked quite well. Then I tried with 16 KB
(8KW) and while it did boot, during the boot process
of V04.00 of RT-11, I did see the error message:
Insufficient Memory
On the other hand, I was able to perform a DIR
and a few other tests which did work.
I then attempted to confirm with V2 and 16 KB of
memory and that also worked with the RK05 device.
Obviously, it is not possible to do very much with
just 16 KB (8KW) of memory.
As for support for the TU58 device (DD:), I also
attempted that and came up empty. using V3B
of RT-11. The V3B distribution which I have
does not seem to support the TU58 since RT-11
crashes when I attempt to use the TU58 device.
There may be some bad code in RT-11 when the
TU58 is used with a PDP-11/05. I just don't have
the resources in the time that is available to find out.
Josh, you don't mention if you have a disk drive
of any kind on the PDP-11/05, It would help
if you could describe all of the available hardware.
If the TU58 is the only "disk drive" available, then
I am not sure what to suggest in order to get RT-11
to run in any case.
Jerome Fine
I'm after an 8/E, F, or M (with full panel). It doesn't need to be well
equipped, just enough to run OS/8 from RX01/2s (I don't need the drives).
Does anyone have one they'd part with? I'm prepared to match the average
ebay selling price.
-Tom
>Paul Koning wrote:
>>On Nov 13, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Josh Dersch <derschjo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey all --
>>
>>Now that I have my PDP-11/05 running nicely, I'm curious what others are
>>running on small systems like this -- until this point I've only played
>>with larger (i.e. at least 28KW memory) systems. I have only 8KW of memory
>>(with no viable options for expansion) and there's not much out there that
>>I've found. There's paper-tape BASIC (which is always fun) and FOCAL, and
>>PTS-11 (http://iamvirtual.ca/PDP-11/PTS-11/PTS-11.htm) which is pretty cool
>>if a bit cumbersome. Any other suggestions?
>>
>>I'm also curious if any version of RT-11 that supports the TU58 could be
>>made to run on this system -- I have two SLUs in the system so in theory I
>>can boot from an emulated TU58. However RT-11 4.0's SYSGEN manuals suggest
>>that 12KW is the minimum supported (and experimentation bears this out) and
>>I can't find much in the way of manuals for RT-11 V3B -- which I believe is
>>the earliest version with TU58 support. (V3B seems to be different enough
>>from later versions that I'm not quite sure how the SYSGEN process works.)
>>
>>
>
>RT11 V2 SJ will certainly fit easily in that size memory. DOS will fit even in 4K (at least the older versions). Come to think of it, RT might also; I haven't tried it that small.
>
> paul
>
NOTE: I don't have a real PDP-11/05. All my tests
were done under Ersatz-11.
I just tried to boot V04.00 of RT-11 on a PDP-11/05
using an RK05 device (RK:) under the RT11SJ.SYS
monitor. First I set the memory to 32 KB (16KW)
and it worked quite well. Then I tried with 16 KB
(8KW) and while it did boot, during the boot process
of V04.00 of RT-11, I did see the error message:
Insufficient Memory
On the other hand, I was able to perform a DIR
and a few other tests which did work.
I then attempted to confirm with V2 and 16 KB of
memory and that also worked with the RK05 device.
Obviously, it is not possible to do very much with
just 16 KB (8KW) of memory.
As for support for the TU58 device (DD:), I also
attempted that and came up empty. using V3B
of RT-11. The V3B distribution which I have
does not seem to support the TU58 since RT-11
crashes when I attempt to use the TU58 device.
There may be some bad code in RT-11 when the
TU58 is used with a PDP-11/05. I just don't have
the resources in the time that is available to find out.
Josh, you don't mention if you have a disk drive
of any kind on the PDP-11/05, It would help
if you could describe all of the available hardware.
If the TU58 is the only "disk drive" available, then
I am not sure what to suggest in order to get RT-11
to run in any case.
Jerome Fine
Hey all --
Now that I have my PDP-11/05 running nicely, I'm curious what others are
running on small systems like this -- until this point I've only played
with larger (i.e. at least 28KW memory) systems. I have only 8KW of memory
(with no viable options for expansion) and there's not much out there that
I've found. There's paper-tape BASIC (which is always fun) and FOCAL, and
PTS-11 (http://iamvirtual.ca/PDP-11/PTS-11/PTS-11.htm) which is pretty cool
if a bit cumbersome. Any other suggestions?
I'm also curious if any version of RT-11 that supports the TU58 could be
made to run on this system -- I have two SLUs in the system so in theory I
can boot from an emulated TU58. However RT-11 4.0's SYSGEN manuals suggest
that 12KW is the minimum supported (and experimentation bears this out) and
I can't find much in the way of manuals for RT-11 V3B -- which I believe is
the earliest version with TU58 support. (V3B seems to be different enough
>from later versions that I'm not quite sure how the SYSGEN process works.)
Thanks as always,
Josh
http://m.cacm.acm.org/news/194192-in-memoriam-gene-amdahl-1922-2015/fulltext
Gene Amdahl, who formulated Amdahl's Law and worked with IBM and others on developments related to mainframe computing, died recently from complications of pneumonia.
American computer architect and high-tech entrepreneur Gene Myron Amdahl died Tuesday at the age of 92.
Amdahl?s wife Marian said he had suffered from Alzheimer?s disease for about five years, before succumbing to pneumonia. "We are thankful for his kind spirit and brilliant mind. He was a devout Christian and a loving father and husband. I was blessed with having him as my husband and my best friend. I praise God for His faithfulness to us for more than 69 years."
Born to immigrant parents in South Dakota, Amdahl served in the U.S. Navy during World War II. He completed a bachelor?s degree in engineering physics at South Dakota State University in 1948 and went on to study theoretical physics at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, where he received his doctorate in 1952.
Amdahl joined IBM in 1952, where he worked on the IBM 704, the IBM 709, and then the Stretch project, the basis for the IBM 7030. He left IBM in 1955 but returned in 1960 and became chief architect of the System/360 mainframe computer. Amdahl was named an IBM Fellow in 1965, as well as head of the IBM Advanced Computing Systems Laboratory in Menlo Park, CA. He left IBM again in 1970 and set up Amdahl Corporation, which specialized in IBM mainframe-compatible computer products, with the help of Fujitsu.
The company manufactured "plug-compatible" mainframes, starting in 1975 with the Amdahl 470V/6, a less-expensive, more-reliable, faster alternative to IBM?s System 370/168. Amdahl's software team developed Virtual Machine/Performance Enhancement (VM/PE) software to optimize the performance of IBM's Multiple Virtual Storage (MVS) operating system when running under IBM's VM operating system. Within four years, the corporation had sold more than $1 billion of V6 and V7 mainframes and had more than 6,000 employees worldwide.
At ACM's Spring Joint Computer Conference in 1967, Amdahl participated in a discussion on future architectural trends, arguing for performance limitations in any special feature or mode introduced to new machines. This resulted in what came to be known as Amdahl?s Law regarding sequential vs. parallel processing.
Amdahl left his company in 1979 to set up Trilogy Systems, an organization aimed at designing an integrated chip for even cheaper mainframes. When the chip development failed within months of the company's $60-million public offering, Trilogy focused on developing its VLSI technology, which also did not do well. In 1985 Trilogy was merged into microcomputer manufacturer Elxsi (now Tata Elxsi), but poor results there had Amdahl leaving in 1989 for a company he founded in 1987 to produce mid-sized mainframes, Andor International, which had been driven into bankruptcy by production problems and strong competition by 1995.
In 1996 Amdahl co-founded Commercial Data Servers, again developing mainframe-like machines but this time with new super-cooled processor designs and aimed at physically smaller systems. The company, now known as Xbridge Systems, develops software to scan mainframe datasets and database tables for sensitive information such as credit card numbers, government identification numbers, and medical diagnosis information.
In November 2004, Amdahl was appointed to the board of advisors of Massively Parallel Technologies, a Scottsdale, AZ, software engineering firm.
Amdahl was a member of the National Academy of Engineering and the recipient of honorary doctorates from four institutions. He also was the recipient of the IEEE?s Harry H. Goode Memorial Award, a Fellow of the Computer History Museum, and recipient of the ACM Special Interest Group on Design Automation (SIGDA) Pioneering Achievement Award.
Said David Patterson, a professor of computer sciences at the University of California, Berkeley, and a computer pioneer in his own right, "The IBM System/360 was one of the greatest computer architectures of all time, being both a tremendous technical success and business success. It invented a computer family, which we would call binary compatibility today. When he left to form his own company, his mainframes were binary compatible with the System/360."
Patterson noted the brief paper Amdahl submitted to ACM?s Spring Joint Computer Conference "basically offering a critique to enthusiasts about the parallel supercomputers of the era." He cited the beginning of that paper as laying out the arguments for what became Amdahl's Law:
Hi!
I'm currently located in southern Italy, near Bari. Feel free to contact me if you're nearby.
You can mail me at
supervinx at libero.it
webmaster at supervinx.com
Regards
Vincenzo (aka Supervinx)
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Da: Robert Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
Data:12/11/2015 21:38 (GMT+01:00)
A: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Oggetto: RE: ICL Quattro
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of supervinx
> Sent: 12 November 2015 07:21
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: ICL Quattro
>
> Hi!
> I found an ICL Quattro desktop computer.
> It looks in good shape, I had to repair only the PSU.
> Powering it up, I see disk activity, but I haven't his (proprietary?) monitor.
> On the back, I see a bunch of serial ports (DCE? DTE?) and a DB15 connector, I
> guess for monitor/kbd attachment.
> I tried to connect a terminal to the serial ports, with null modem and straight
> settings, but I had no answers.
> Do someone have some infos about the proprietary monitor/kbd port?
> Can it be run without the original monitor/kbd system?
> Or should I think about it as a... doorstopper? :D
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Vincenzo (aka Supervinx)
>
> --==ooOoo==--
> My computer collection:
> http://www.supervinx.com/OnlineMuseum
>
> --==ooOoo==--
> You can reach me at:
> www.supervinx.com
> www.facebook.com/supervinx
> http://www.youtube.com/user/supervinx
> http://www.myspace.com/supervinx
I can't help with the query unfortunately, but I would love to know where in Italy your collection is? In fact, it would be interesting to know where all the interesting collections in Italy are, as I do visit the country with some regularity. Annoyingly, I noticed just now that there is one near Siracusa, and I might have been able to visit that this past summer.
Regards
Rob
I've had very mixed (about 50/50) success with 9-track, but after reading a
bit about DECtape it looks like they should still be holding up nicely.
Anyone care to share their experiences?
Several people were asking for 8" floppy diskettes. I found some new at the
recycle center.
Maxell FD1-128 single sided, single or double density, soft-sectored.
Total of 17 disks. Asking $2 each plus shipping.
Cindy
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