I spent the afternoon finishing off repairs on a Teletype machine I picked
up this morning and now I'm searching for the lesser important pedestal (I
can live without it but the lack of a chad bucket will suck) and the far
more important paper tape. From what I read you can't get away with using
regular paper. It has to be prelubricated.
Where on earth do you even find that stuff anymore? All I see on abay is a
box of NOS rolls for $100 and a single roll for $150....
To the gentlemen who think that Apple is getting special treatment. In simple terms, the differences are that the patents that samsung were pursuing were many years ago offered to as part of pool of patents for the 3G standard. To become part of a standard they have to agree to sell rights to the patent for a reasonable price.
Samsung broke this contractual obligation as it would not sell Apple these patents, even though it was obliged to.
Imagine a company offers a design for an ethernet cable connector. There are infinitely many shapes you can choose. However, the comitee accepts the companies design, with agreement of a royalty rate of 0.0001cent per connector. 10 years down the track, when the stuff is installed everywhere, this same company starts demanding 10% of the cost of your datacentre, as the connectors are "an essential component". This is what samsung did. They are thieves and mafia thugs.
Regards,
Daniel,
Sent from my iPad
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> 1. Who has metal-case prototype Osborne 1? (steven stengel)
> 2. Xerox 860 disks? (Evan Koblentz)
> 3. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Zane H. Healy)
> 4. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (mc68010)
> 5. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Mr Ian Primus)
> 6. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Chuck Guzis)
> 7. Re: Who has metal-case prototype Osborne 1? (Bill Layer)
> 8. PDP-11/24 Backplane Block or Wirelist; M7134 KT24 Unibus Map
> (Paul Birkel)
> 9. Apple & FTC (Murray McCullough)
> 10. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Al Kossow)
> 11. Re: Apple & FTC (Eric Smith)
> 12. Re: Apple & FTC (Cory Smelosky)
> 13. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Mike Loewen)
> 14. 286/SLT and 386s/SLT pieces (Jim Brain)
> 15. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Al Kossow)
> 16. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Al Kossow)
> 17. Re: Xerox 860 disks (Evan Koblentz)
> 18. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Chuck Guzis)
> 19. Re: Apple & FTC (George Currie)
> 20. Model II/12/16/6000 TRSDOS images wanted (Eric Smith)
> 21. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (mc68010)
> 22. Re: Apple & FTC (Eric Smith)
> 23. Re: Apple & FTC (George Currie)
> 24. Re: Apple & FTC (Tothwolf)
> 25. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Al Kossow)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: steven stengel <tosteve at yahoo.com>
> To: cc <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Who has metal-case prototype Osborne 1?
> Message-ID:
> <1375826904.87677.YahooMailNeo at web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> A few years ago, an original metal-case Osborne 1 prototype system was for auction on pbagalleries.com for $5,000, but it didn't sell - probably a bad venue to sell computers.?
>
> The seller said he eventually did sell it, but he's doesn't recall to who. Does anyone here know where it went, or does anyone here have one?
>
>
> I want to compare the inside construction with mine.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:29:29 +0000
> From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan at snarc.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID:
> <557934325-1375838969-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-688841904- at b18.c15.bise6.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Anybody have boot disks / application disks for the Xerox 860 IPS word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:47:13 -0700
> From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <p06240830ce2756a67b20(a)[192.168.1.199]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> At 1:29 AM +0000 8/7/13, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>> Anybody have boot disks / application disks for the Xerox 860 IPS
>> word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in
>> New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.
>
> Now there is a system that will make you appreciate modern computers,
> and word processing software! I had to use one about 25 years ago,
> and used to have the doc's for it, but I think I gave those to Jim
> Willing in late 2000.
>
> Zane
>
>
>
> --
> | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
> | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
> | | Photographer |
> +----------------------------------+----------------------------+
> | My flickr Photostream |
> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
> | My Photography Website |
> | http://www.zanesphotography.com |
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:48:18 -0700
> From: mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <5201A762.5080208 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 8/6/2013 6:29 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>> Anybody have boot disks / application disks for the Xerox 860 IPS word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.
>
> There is actually cp/m and programming languages for those. I had one
> from UC Berkeley that came with them. It would boot the cp/m banner but,
> locked right after. It also locked booting the word processing stuff
> too. I don't know if the machine had issues or the disks did. A lot of
> the disks that came with it were in terrible shape.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID:
> <1375840613.51937.YahooMailBasic at web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 8/6/13, Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> wrote:
>
>> Anybody have boot disks / application
>> disks for the Xerox 860 IPS word processing system? We need
>> working ones for the MARCH museum in New Jersey. We can
>> supply blank 8" disks if needed.
>
> Or, even if anyone has any images of the disks - I can write them out for Evan. Or, even original disks, I can image/copy them - this is the sort of thing that should be on Bitsavers (and yes, I checked, and they're not)
>
> -Ian
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 19:45:33 -0700
> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <5201B4CD.8040301 at sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 08/06/2013 06:29 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>> Anybody have boot disks / application disks for the Xerox 860 IPS
>> word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in
>> New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.
>
> I've got a disk labeled IPS System 3.2 8" SSSD.
>
> Let me know if you want an image.
>
> --Chuck
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:50:51 -0500
> From: Bill Layer <drlegendre at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Who has metal-case prototype Osborne 1?
> Message-ID:
> <CAFjrmd5hpbOJRJn4Z49kcN1izjAFCo+Q9bdD2P2NygvrAwgdEA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Can't help you in the proto O1 area, but if anyone is interested in a
> working Vixen, I do have one of those to put up on the block.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:08 PM, steven stengel <tosteve at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> A few years ago, an original metal-case Osborne 1 prototype system was for
>> auction on pbagalleries.com for $5,000, but it didn't sell - probably a
>> bad venue to sell computers.
>>
>> The seller said he eventually did sell it, but he's doesn't recall to who.
>> Does anyone here know where it went, or does anyone here have one?
>>
>>
>> I want to compare the inside construction with mine.
>> Thanks.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 11:55:27 -0400
> From: Paul Birkel <pbirkel at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: PDP-11/24 Backplane Block or Wirelist; M7134 KT24 Unibus Map
> Message-ID:
> <CAJj77rsKHqbDdbcZ=yA-DQ7fvx6EV6Hq++m0Nxb6wnCEN3T3bg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I'm looking for an unwanted PDP-11/24 backplane block. If anyone has one
> for a good home (honest :->), please contact me off-list.
>
> Since I expect no success on that request, I'm also looking for the 11/24
> backplane wire-list. No luck online; probably need someone to dig into
> their microfiche.
>
>> From EK-11024-TM-PRE PDP-11/24 System Technical Manual (1981):
>
> 2.7 MODULE UTILIZATION IN A TYPICAL SYSTEM
> The PDP-11/24 processor module uses its own backplane ( PN
> 70-16905) and can not use a DD11-CK, DD11-DK, or DD11-PK.
>
>> From MP01018 FIELD MAINT. PRINT SET 11/24:
>
> D-AD-7016905-0-0 11/24 B/P ASSY.
>
> -----
> Also looking for *any* documentation for the M7134 KT24 UNIBUS MAP
> (EXTENDED ADDRESS TO 22 BITS). No luck online; maybe have to dig into
> microfiche there as well?
>
> Thanks!
>
> paul
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:30:43 -0400
> From: Murray McCullough <c.murray.mccullough at gmail.com>
> To: cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Apple & FTC
> Message-ID:
> <CAMvyYF9BCcPJadu8H-qX+eqPWFmL81cmTmjFpZGBiXtrQ5amQA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> As formed readers of this webpage know Apple is one of the original 4
> companies to mass produce/market 8-bit microcomputers in 1977. The FTC
> ruling has confirmed that Apple is a special technology company,
> innovations and patents being keys to its success in the wireless
> industry (iPhones) and tablet computer industry(iPads). Apple needs to
> be protected as it's an invaluable contributer to keeping America
> competitive and as a leader in mass-consumer, high technology, just as
> it was in the late 70s. Or so it argues!
>
> Murray--
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:06:54 -0700
> From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <5201B9CE.6020100 at bitsavers.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 8/6/13 6:56 PM, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
>>
>> (and yes, I checked, and they're not)
>
> yet..
>
> I'll see about getting them uploaded.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:15:36 -0700
> From: Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
> Message-ID:
> <CAFrGgTQaZxEb3m7zJccKUv2zaLh1C61jf-FJX6RgA82Mnbncig at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Murray McCullough
> <c.murray.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As formed readers of this webpage know Apple is one of the original 4
>> companies to mass produce/market 8-bit microcomputers in 1977. The FTC
>> ruling has confirmed that Apple is a special technology company,
>> innovations and patents being keys to its success in the wireless
>> industry (iPhones) and tablet computer industry(iPads). Apple needs to
>> be protected as it's an invaluable contributer to keeping America
>> competitive and as a leader in mass-consumer, high technology, just as
>> it was in the late 70s. Or so it argues!
>
> So Apple can get competitors products banned from import if they are
> found to violate Apple patents, but if Apple products are found to
> infringe other companies' patents, that's just too f*&#ing bad for
> those companies.
>
> Who says that the US doesn't have the best government money can buy?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 03:15:13 -0000
> From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
> Cc: cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
> Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1308062314410.20333 at mylie.local>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2013, Murray McCullough wrote:
>
>>
>> As formed readers of this webpage know Apple is one of the original 4
>> companies to mass produce/market 8-bit microcomputers in 1977. The FTC
>> ruling has confirmed that Apple is a special technology company,
>> innovations and patents being keys to its success in the wireless
>> industry (iPhones) and tablet computer industry(iPads). Apple needs to
>> be protected as it's an invaluable contributer to keeping America
>> competitive and as a leader in mass-consumer, high technology, just as
>> it was in the late 70s. Or so it argues!
>>
>> Murray--
>
>
> By innovating, they mean "copying everyone else and claiming we invented
> it" ;)
>
> --
> Cory Smelosky
> http://gewt.net Personal stuff
> http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 23:27:41 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID:
> <alpine.LFD.2.02.1308062324260.25251 at cpumagic.137clearview.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Tue, 6 Aug 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> On 08/06/2013 06:29 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>> Anybody have boot disks / application disks for the Xerox 860 IPS
>>> word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in
>>> New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.
>>
>> I've got a disk labeled IPS System 3.2 8" SSSD.
>>
>> Let me know if you want an image.
>>
>> --Chuck
>
> There are four 8" disk images in Don Maslin's archive which appear to
> be for the 860:
>
> 860-D3 SSDD8 860 (?)
> 860SCRCH SSDD8 860 Scratch disk
> 860SCSYS SSDD8 860 (?)
> 860TRNG SSDD8 860 Training disk
>
> The 860SCSYS.TD0 image appears to be a system disk of some sort. The
> others appear to contain word processing documents. I can send you (or
> Ian) the image files, or write them to 8" disks for you.
>
>
> Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
> Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 22:34:28 -0500
> From: Jim Brain <brain at jbrain.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: 286/SLT and 386s/SLT pieces
> Message-ID: <5201C044.5070508 at jbrain.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Many thanks to an on-list member, who helped me with my COMPAQ SLT/286.
> If anyone needs something on one of these units, let me know, I'll pay
> the favor forward if I can.
>
> Jim
>
> --
> Jim Brain
> brain at jbrain.com
> www.jbrain.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:54:47 -0700
> From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <5201C507.2030206 at bitsavers.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 8/6/13 7:45 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> I've got a disk labeled IPS System 3.2 8" SSSD.
>>
>> Let me know if you want an image.
>
> could you forward it to me as well?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:56:10 -0700
> From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <5201C55A.303 at bitsavers.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 8/6/13 8:27 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:
>
>> There are four 8" disk images in Don Maslin's archive which appear to be for the 860:
>>
>> 860-D3 SSDD8 860 (?)
>> 860SCRCH SSDD8 860 Scratch disk
>> 860SCSYS SSDD8 860 (?)
>> 860TRNG SSDD8 860 Training disk
>
> probably the same as the .IMDs that I just uploaded to bitsavers
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 03:57:48 +0000
> From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan at snarc.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks
> Message-ID:
> <1732201428-1375847869-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-114220280- at b18.c15.bise6.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
>>> There are four 8" disk images in Don Maslin's archive which appear to be for the 860 ... The 860SCSYS.TD0 image appears to be a system disk of some sort. The others appear to contain word processing documents. I can send you (or Ian) the image files, or write them to 8" disks for you.
>
> Thanks Mike. Please send me a fresh copy of the system disk and the training disk. If at all possible, please mail them tomorrow (Wed.) so I'll get them by Saturday and be able to test them at the museum Sunday. Will send you my snail mail privately.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:07:26 -0700
> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <5201C7FE.4010703 at sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 08/06/2013 08:27 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:
>
>> There are four 8" disk images in Don Maslin's archive which appear
>> to be for the 860:
>>
>> 860-D3 SSDD8 860 (?)
>> 860SCRCH SSDD8 860 Scratch disk
>> 860SCSYS SSDD8 860 (?)
>> 860TRNG SSDD8 860 Training disk
>>
>> The 860SCSYS.TD0 image appears to be a system disk of some sort.
>> The others appear to contain word processing documents. I can send you
>> (or Ian) the image files, or write them to 8" disks for you.
>
> Well, I probably got the 860 sample from Don way back when, as it's his
> handwriting on the floppy along with my name. I didn't know if he kept
> the images around.
>
> So, Emily Litella.
>
> --Chuck
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 23:34:05 -0500
> From: George Currie <g at kurico.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
> Message-ID: <e622b1dba122a00e2794635d794730f2 at mail.mxes.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>> So Apple can get competitors products banned from import if they are
>> found to violate Apple patents, but if Apple products are found to
>> infringe other companies' patents, that's just too f*&#ing bad for
>> those companies.
>>
>> Who says that the US doesn't have the best government money can buy?
>
> Actually no, Apple has been found in violation of plenty of patents,
> they aren't getting special treatment. This is all about MOT and FRAND
> abuse, which is pretty clearly the case here. Most here remember RAMBUS
> and their (seemingly) never ending tango with the FTC, similar story,
> the FTC isn't doing anything new or giving Apple any special treatment.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:37:01 -0700
> From: Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Model II/12/16/6000 TRSDOS images wanted
> Message-ID:
> <CAFrGgTR94fYXfxt4fUzz6EFOpymosO4xDW5pA8JNDEKah1dbAQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> If anyone happens to have any Model II/12/16/6000 TRSDOS images that
> could be made available, it would help with my continued
> reverse-engineering efforts. Images of virgin TRSDOS distribution
> disks are preferred. I'm especially interested in TRSDOS-1.0 and 1.1,
> and TRSDOS-II 4.x.
>
> Thanks!
> Eric
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:40:12 -0700
> From: mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <5201CFAC.6090305 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 8/6/2013 9:07 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>> On 08/06/2013 08:27 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:
>>
>>> There are four 8" disk images in Don Maslin's archive which appear
>>> to be for the 860:
>>>
>>> 860-D3 SSDD8 860 (?)
>>> 860SCRCH SSDD8 860 Scratch disk
>>> 860SCSYS SSDD8 860 (?)
>>> 860TRNG SSDD8 860 Training disk
>>>
>>> The 860SCSYS.TD0 image appears to be a system disk of some sort.
>>> The others appear to contain word processing documents. I can send you
>>> (or Ian) the image files, or write them to 8" disks for you.
>>
>> Well, I probably got the 860 sample from Don way back when, as it's
>> his handwriting on the floppy along with my name. I didn't know if he
>> kept the images around.
>>
>> So, Emily Litella.
>>
>> --Chuck
>
> The 860 I had came with a mess of disks that were labeled in a way that
> made them seem sort of specific to the machine they were for. It may
> have just been to tell people where they were supposed to be returned to
> but, it also may have meant that there was some sort of customization on
> the boot disk for each system. Things like what monitor and devices were
> attached. It all seemed to be something Xerox field people were in
> charge of setting up. Very little information on those things out
> there. I always thought maybe mine wouldn't boot because I didn't have
> the exact right boot disk or something the boot disk expected to find
> wasn't connected.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:01:27 -0700
> From: Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
> Message-ID:
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>
> I wrote:
>> So Apple can get competitors products banned from import if they are
>> found to violate Apple patents, but if Apple products are found to
>> infringe other companies' patents, that's just too f*&#ing bad for
>> those companies.
>>
>> Who says that the US doesn't have the best government money can buy?
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM, George Currie <g at kurico.com> wrote:
>> Actually no, Apple has been found in violation of plenty of patents, they
>> aren't getting special treatment. This is all about MOT and FRAND abuse,
>> which is pretty clearly the case here. Most here remember RAMBUS and their
>> (seemingly) never ending tango with the FTC, similar story, the FTC isn't
>> doing anything new or giving Apple any special treatment.
>
> Apple most certainly is getting special treatment by the US
> government. President Obama and the US Trade Representative overturned
> the import ban the FTC imposed on Apple as a result of the FTC finding
> in June that Apple infringed a Samsung patent. This clearly
> demonstrates that corruption in the US government reaches the highest
> levels. (No big surprise.)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:28:45 -0500
> From: George Currie <g at kurico.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
> Message-ID: <7b4e740d3b63d0bd0e866481c6372c96 at mail.mxes.net>
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>> Apple most certainly is getting special treatment by the US
>> government. President Obama and the US Trade Representative
>> overturned
>> the import ban the FTC imposed on Apple as a result of the FTC
>> finding
>> in June that Apple infringed a Samsung patent. This clearly
>> demonstrates that corruption in the US government reaches the highest
>> levels. (No big surprise.)
>
> I assume you disagree that Samsung was being abusive with their SEP and
> violating FRAND agreements? BTW, that should be "ITC finding" not "FTC
> finding". Also, I realize that I mistakenly said MOT vs Samsung in my
> original reply (MOT is also ignoring FRAND).
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:28:55 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
> Message-ID:
> <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308070127440.5288 at brioche.invalid.domain>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2013, George Currie wrote:
>
>>> Apple most certainly is getting special treatment by the US government.
>>> President Obama and the US Trade Representative overturned the import
>>> ban the FTC imposed on Apple as a result of the FTC finding in June
>>> that Apple infringed a Samsung patent. This clearly demonstrates that
>>> corruption in the US government reaches the highest levels. (No big
>>> surprise.)
>>
>> I assume you disagree that Samsung was being abusive with their SEP and
>> violating FRAND agreements? BTW, that should be "ITC finding" not "FTC
>> finding". Also, I realize that I mistakenly said MOT vs Samsung in my
>> original reply (MOT is also ignoring FRAND).
>
> IMO, every single one of them has been abusing the processes. Apple
> however is clearly getting special treatment.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 06:22:46 -0700
> From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
> Message-ID: <52024A26.6050406 at bitsavers.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 8/6/13 9:40 PM, mc68010 wrote:
>
>> The 860 I had came with a mess of disks that were labeled in a way that made them seem sort of specific to the machine they were for.
>
> I still have those disks, just need to dig them back out and image them. Those particular
> Maslin images were just the easiest to upload. I also remember there being at least one 860
> CP/M disk from him as well.
>
> There are several hardware configurations, and at least two different resolution displays
> on the 860.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> End of cctalk Digest, Vol 120, Issue 8
> **************************************
If anyone happens to have any Model II/12/16/6000 TRSDOS images that
could be made available, it would help with my continued
reverse-engineering efforts. Images of virgin TRSDOS distribution
disks are preferred. I'm especially interested in TRSDOS-1.0 and 1.1,
and TRSDOS-II 4.x.
Thanks!
Eric
I have a line on a *lot* of plotter paper rolls for electrostatic
plotters. These are 19 1/4 inches by 450 feet - I think they were
originally for Nike radar plotters. I might think they would work on
almost any ES plotter.
Available pretty cheap, especially if you buy the whole pallet of them.
--
Will
Hi
Here is a quick update on upcoming S100computers.com and N8VEM S-100 board
projects:
1. S-100 6502 CPU V2 (includes minor fixes from V1 plus new TMAx
multiple CPU logic) - taking orders for "production" boards. Please contact
me if you would like to advance order to reserve one or more PCBs.
2. S-100 ParallelIO - this is a new board sort of a modernized version
of the MITS Altair PIO board. Includes LED debugging lights. It is meant
to be an easy to construct and test board for new builders while still being
useful to all. Includes 4 each byte wide input and output ports plus a PC
compatible printer port. Currently in prototype build and test.
3. S-100 TestIO V2 - An experimental S-100 to ISA bridge. The purpose
of this board is to diagnose why the VGA chipset works on the ISA bus but
not on the S-100 bus. May evolve into a general purpose bridge board
sometime in the future but is just for internal build and test at the
moment.
4. S-100 EPROM/RAM V2 board - a redesign of the original S-100
EPROM/RAM board with improved logic and options. Very useful general
purpose memory supports common DIP Flash, EPROM, SRAM, etc. Prototypes
ordered for build and test.
5. S-100 VDP V3 - update to the ongoing development of the V9938 and
AY-3-8910 video and sound board. Feedback from Leon and John have fixed the
major problems and it is reliably generating composite video, sort of VGA
video, and sound. Prototypes ordered for build and test.
6. S-100 80286 CPU - finishing up in PCB trace routing after several
revisions. Probably will go to prototype build and test before a production
board available due to the rather significant updates. Would like to get
this out this summer.
7. S-100 80386 CPU - finishing up in PCB trace routing. Really could
go to production at any time but will probably follow the S-100 80286 CPU
board.
8. S-100 80386 SRAM V2 (8MB) - matched for S-100 80386 CPU has
completed PCB trace routing and is ready to go for production.
There are more boards in earlier stages of development that have not reached
the prototype stage yet. We'll save discussion of those for later.
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
I have 2 of these in stock, no more warranty from HP, but they were never
used after being repaired. We have tested them, and they work fine.
HP PN FA290AR#ABA
Includes AC adapter, USB cable, owner's guide.
$75 plus shipping, weight is 2 pounds.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
AOL IM elcpls
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If you are interested in OLD laptops, complete and working with AC adapter,
hard drive, loaded software, for $75 each, please email me off list. I have
2 pallets of these old systems.
Sorry, no 701C butterfly IBM models.
Brands include Apple/Mac, Compaq, AST, IBM, Zenith, Toshiba, Gateway.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
1613 Water Street
Kerrville, TX 78028
(830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax
AOL IM elcpls
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Hi all,
I'm in the market for a classic Mac KVM. Dr. Bott's MoniSwitch ADB has a pretty good reputation, but if anyone has any others they can trade/recommend, I'm all ears. ADB switching is difficult to get right, and a lot of KVMs just had mechanical switches for it... not 100% sure about the MoniSwitch family, but people don't seem to have had many problems with them.
I have one of Dr. Bott's MoniSwitch DVI+USB switches, which is really great for machines that can use it (though it won't reliably run 1600x1200 or 1920x1080 over single-link DVI, which is why I've abandoned it). Willing to trade other things as well.
- Dave
Digging around in the old travel trailer we used to store stuff in when the
shed blew down in a monsoon thunderstorm several years ago, I dug out an
(almost) complete IBM RT (6150) ROMP system.
I had thought I had sold this years ago. Apparently I did, and the person
who was to come by and pick it up, and pay for it, never did. So there it
sat under a bunch of boxes..waiting...waiting, until I found it again last
week.
It's the desk side system and has lots and lots of stuff to go with it. If
I remember right the only stuff that we couldn't save was a lot of paper
documentation (manuals, etc) that was waterlogged and mostly destroyed.
All the hardware was intact as it was under a hardy canvas tarp, when the
storage shed roof caved in.
Besides the desk side unit and monitor/keyboard. It also came with several
unopened boxes of hardware, including several NIB mice, a NIB never opened
IBM SCSI card, a whole bunch of controllers and extra processors and memory
cards. disk drives and an IBM serial terminal. There is a binder or two of
AIX 1.x floppies that had the labels "sweat" off them AND a cdrom with
several OS images on them. If I remember right it might have had the AOS
(Academic Operating System, a BSD4 variant) on it.
As I am in the process of slimming down my collection as we will be
selling the house this year, I can't keep it.
I have not seen any of these systems on Ebay at all in the last 6 months,
so I have no idea of it's worth. But such a complete system with so many
"unobtanium" spares is probably worth a few quatloos.
It will most likely go up on Ebay this week unless somebody on the list
make me an offer I can't refuse.
In the mean time, I will put some images up tomorrow on imgur for your
perusal.
http://ittybittybytes.imgur.com/all/
Cheers
Tom P
Hello,
Anyone happen to have images of tapes for these? I've wanted to poke
around with them but I've not been able to track down a copy of SysIII or
early SysV. mt Xinu is overall lacking in infortmation on the internet, so
that's hard to find too.
btw, I'd prefer VAX versions. That's all I have a simulator for...unless
I could get it to work on a Pentium MMX. ;)
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
