cctalk Digest, Vol 120, Issue 8 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

9 Aug 2013

To the gentlemen who think that Apple is getting special treatment. In simple terms, the
differences are that the patents that samsung were pursuing were many years ago offered to
as part of pool of patents for the 3G standard. To become part of a standard they have to
agree to sell rights to the patent for a reasonable price.

Samsung broke this contractual obligation as it would not sell Apple these patents, even
though it was obliged to.

Imagine a company offers a design for an ethernet cable connector. There are infinitely
many shapes you can choose. However, the comitee accepts the companies design, with
agreement of a royalty rate of 0.0001cent per connector. 10 years down the track, when the
stuff is installed everywhere, this same company starts demanding 10% of the cost of your
datacentre, as the connectors are "an essential component". This is what samsung
did. They are thieves and mafia thugs.

Regards,

Daniel,

Sent from my iPad

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 Today's Topics:

   1. Who has metal-case prototype Osborne 1? (steven stengel)
   2. Xerox 860 disks? (Evan Koblentz)
   3. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Zane H. Healy)
   4. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (mc68010)
   5. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Mr Ian Primus)
   6. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Chuck Guzis)
   7. Re: Who has metal-case prototype Osborne 1? (Bill Layer)
   8. PDP-11/24 Backplane Block or Wirelist; M7134 KT24 Unibus Map
      (Paul Birkel)
   9. Apple & FTC (Murray McCullough)
  10. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Al Kossow)
  11. Re: Apple & FTC (Eric Smith)
  12. Re: Apple & FTC (Cory Smelosky)
  13. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Mike Loewen)
  14. 286/SLT and 386s/SLT pieces (Jim Brain)
  15. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Al Kossow)
  16. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Al Kossow)
  17. Re: Xerox 860 disks (Evan Koblentz)
  18. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Chuck Guzis)
  19. Re: Apple & FTC (George Currie)
  20. Model II/12/16/6000 TRSDOS images wanted (Eric Smith)
  21. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (mc68010)
  22. Re: Apple & FTC (Eric Smith)
  23. Re: Apple & FTC (George Currie)
  24. Re: Apple & FTC (Tothwolf)
  25. Re: Xerox 860 disks? (Al Kossow)

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 Message: 1
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
 From: steven stengel <tosteve at yahoo.com>
 To: cc <cctech at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Who has metal-case prototype Osborne 1?
 Message-ID:
    <1375826904.87677.YahooMailNeo at web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

 A few years ago, an original metal-case Osborne 1 prototype system was for auction on
pbagalleries.com for $5,000, but it didn't sell - probably a bad venue to sell
computers.?

 The seller said he eventually did sell it, but he's doesn't recall to who. Does
anyone here know where it went, or does anyone here have one? 

 I want to compare the inside construction with mine.
 Thanks.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 2
 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:29:29 +0000
 From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan at snarc.net>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID:
    <557934325-1375838969-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-688841904- at
b18.c15.bise6.blackberry>

 Content-Type: text/plain

 Anybody have boot disks / application disks for the Xerox 860 IPS word processing system?
We need working ones for the MARCH museum in New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks
if needed.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 3
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:47:13 -0700
 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID: &lt;p06240830ce2756a67b20(a)[192.168.1.199]&gt;
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

 At 1:29 AM +0000 8/7/13, Evan Koblentz wrote:
  Anybody have boot disks / application disks for
the Xerox 860 IPS 
 word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in 
 New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.  
 Now there is a system that will make you appreciate modern computers, 
 and word processing software!  I had to use one about 25 years ago, 
 and used to have the doc's for it, but I think I gave those to Jim 
 Willing in late 2000.

 Zane

 -- 
 | Zane H. Healy                    | UNIX Systems Administrator |
 | healyzh at aracnet.com              | OpenVMS Enthusiast         |
 |                                  | Photographer               |
 +----------------------------------+----------------------------+
 |                     My flickr Photostream                     |
 |          http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/           |
 |                    My Photography Website                     |
 |               http://www.zanesphotography.com                 |

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 Message: 4
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 18:48:18 -0700
 From: mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID: <5201A762.5080208 at gmail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 8/6/2013 6:29 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
  Anybody have boot disks / application disks for
the Xerox 860 IPS word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in New
Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.  
 There is actually cp/m and programming languages for those. I had one 
 from UC Berkeley that came with them. It would boot the cp/m banner but, 
 locked right after. It also locked booting the word processing stuff 
 too. I don't know if the machine had issues or the disks did. A lot of 
 the disks that came with it were in terrible shape.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 5
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID:
    <1375840613.51937.YahooMailBasic at web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 --------------------------------------------
 On Tue, 8/6/13, Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> wrote:

  Anybody have boot disks / application
 disks for the Xerox 860 IPS word processing system? We need
 working ones for the MARCH museum in New Jersey. We can
 supply blank 8" disks if needed.  
 Or, even if anyone has any images of the disks - I can write them out for Evan. Or, even
original disks, I can image/copy them - this is the sort of thing that should be on
Bitsavers (and yes, I checked, and they're not)

 -Ian

 ------------------------------

 Message: 6
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 19:45:33 -0700
 From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID: <5201B4CD.8040301 at sydex.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 08/06/2013 06:29 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
  Anybody have boot disks / application disks for
the Xerox 860 IPS
 word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in
 New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.  
 I've got a disk labeled IPS System 3.2 8" SSSD.

 Let me know if you want an image.

 --Chuck

 ------------------------------

 Message: 7
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:50:51 -0500
 From: Bill Layer <drlegendre at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Who has metal-case prototype Osborne 1?
 Message-ID:
    <CAFjrmd5hpbOJRJn4Z49kcN1izjAFCo+Q9bdD2P2NygvrAwgdEA at mail.gmail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 Can't help you in the proto O1 area, but if anyone is interested in a
 working Vixen, I do have one of those to put up on the block.

 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:08 PM, steven stengel <tosteve at yahoo.com> wrote:

  A few years ago, an original metal-case Osborne 1
prototype system was for
 auction on pbagalleries.com for $5,000, but it didn't sell - probably a
 bad venue to sell computers.

 The seller said he eventually did sell it, but he's doesn't recall to who.
 Does anyone here know where it went, or does anyone here have one?

 I want to compare the inside construction with mine.
 Thanks.  

 ------------------------------

 Message: 8
 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 11:55:27 -0400
 From: Paul Birkel <pbirkel at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: PDP-11/24 Backplane Block or Wirelist; M7134 KT24 Unibus Map
 Message-ID:
    <CAJj77rsKHqbDdbcZ=yA-DQ7fvx6EV6Hq++m0Nxb6wnCEN3T3bg at mail.gmail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 I'm looking for an unwanted PDP-11/24 backplane block.  If anyone has one
 for a good home (honest :->), please contact me off-list.

 Since I expect no success on that request, I'm also looking for the 11/24
 backplane wire-list.  No luck online; probably need someone to dig into
 their microfiche.

  From EK-11024-TM-PRE PDP-11/24 System Technical
Manual (1981):  
     2.7 MODULE UTILIZATION IN A TYPICAL SYSTEM
     The PDP-11/24 processor module uses its own backplane ( PN
     70-16905) and can not use a DD11-CK, DD11-DK, or DD11-PK.

  From MP01018 FIELD MAINT. PRINT SET 11/24: 

     D-AD-7016905-0-0 11/24 B/P ASSY.

 -----
 Also looking for *any* documentation for the M7134 KT24 UNIBUS MAP
 (EXTENDED ADDRESS TO 22 BITS).  No luck online; maybe have to dig into
 microfiche there as well?

 Thanks!

 paul

 ------------------------------

 Message: 9
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:30:43 -0400
 From: Murray McCullough <c.murray.mccullough at gmail.com>
 To: cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Apple & FTC
 Message-ID:
    <CAMvyYF9BCcPJadu8H-qX+eqPWFmL81cmTmjFpZGBiXtrQ5amQA at mail.gmail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 As formed readers of this webpage know Apple is one of the original 4
 companies to mass produce/market 8-bit microcomputers in 1977. The FTC
 ruling has confirmed that Apple is a special technology company,
 innovations and patents being keys to its success in the wireless
 industry (iPhones) and tablet computer industry(iPads). Apple needs to
 be protected as it's an invaluable contributer to keeping America
 competitive and as a leader in mass-consumer, high technology, just as
 it was in the late 70s. Or so it argues!

 Murray--

 ------------------------------

 Message: 10
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:06:54 -0700
 From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID: <5201B9CE.6020100 at bitsavers.org>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 8/6/13 6:56 PM, Mr Ian Primus wrote:

 (and yes, I checked, and they're not)  
 yet..

 I'll see about getting them uploaded.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 11
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 20:15:36 -0700
 From: Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
 Message-ID:
    <CAFrGgTQaZxEb3m7zJccKUv2zaLh1C61jf-FJX6RgA82Mnbncig at mail.gmail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Murray McCullough
 <c.murray.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
  As formed readers of this webpage know Apple is
one of the original 4
 companies to mass produce/market 8-bit microcomputers in 1977. The FTC
 ruling has confirmed that Apple is a special technology company,
 innovations and patents being keys to its success in the wireless
 industry (iPhones) and tablet computer industry(iPads). Apple needs to
 be protected as it's an invaluable contributer to keeping America
 competitive and as a leader in mass-consumer, high technology, just as
 it was in the late 70s. Or so it argues!  
 So Apple can get competitors products banned from import if they are
 found to violate Apple patents, but if Apple products are found to
 infringe other companies' patents, that's just too f*&#ing bad for
 those companies.

 Who says that the US doesn't have the best government money can buy?

 ------------------------------

 Message: 12
 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 03:15:13 -0000
 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
 Cc: cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
 Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1308062314410.20333 at mylie.local>
 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

 On Tue, 7 Aug 2013, Murray McCullough wrote:

> 
  As formed readers of this webpage know Apple is
one of the original 4
 companies to mass produce/market 8-bit microcomputers in 1977. The FTC
 ruling has confirmed that Apple is a special technology company,
 innovations and patents being keys to its success in the wireless
 industry (iPhones) and tablet computer industry(iPads). Apple needs to
 be protected as it's an invaluable contributer to keeping America
 competitive and as a leader in mass-consumer, high technology, just as
 it was in the late 70s. Or so it argues! > 
> Murray--

 By innovating, they mean "copying everyone else and claiming we invented 
 it" ;)

 -- 
 Cory Smelosky
 http://gewt.net Personal stuff
 http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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 Message: 13
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 23:27:41 -0400 (EDT)
 From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID:
    <alpine.LFD.2.02.1308062324260.25251 at cpumagic.137clearview.org>
 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

 On Tue, 6 Aug 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:

  On 08/06/2013 06:29 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
  Anybody have boot disks / application disks for
the Xerox 860 IPS
 word processing system? We need working ones for the MARCH museum in
 New Jersey. We can supply blank 8" disks if needed.  
 I've got a disk labeled IPS System 3.2 8" SSSD.

 Let me know if you want an image.

 --Chuck  
    There are four 8" disk images in Don Maslin's archive which appear to 
 be for the 860:

 860-D3        SSDD8   860 (?)
 860SCRCH      SSDD8   860 Scratch disk
 860SCSYS      SSDD8   860 (?)
 860TRNG       SSDD8   860 Training disk

    The 860SCSYS.TD0 image appears to be a system disk of some sort.  The 
 others appear to contain word processing documents.  I can send you (or 
 Ian) the image files, or write them to 8" disks for you.

 Mike Loewen                mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
 Old Technology          http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/

 ------------------------------

 Message: 14
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 22:34:28 -0500
 From: Jim Brain <brain at jbrain.com>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: 286/SLT and 386s/SLT pieces
 Message-ID: <5201C044.5070508 at jbrain.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 Many thanks to an on-list member, who helped me with my COMPAQ SLT/286.  
 If anyone needs something on one of these units, let me know, I'll pay 
 the favor forward if I can.

 Jim

 -- 
 Jim Brain
 brain at jbrain.com
 www.jbrain.com

 ------------------------------

 Message: 15
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:54:47 -0700
 From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID: <5201C507.2030206 at bitsavers.org>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 8/6/13 7:45 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:

  I've got a disk labeled IPS System 3.2
8" SSSD.

 Let me know if you want an image.  
 could you forward it to me as well?

 ------------------------------

 Message: 16
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 20:56:10 -0700
 From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID: <5201C55A.303 at bitsavers.org>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 8/6/13 8:27 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:

     There are four 8" disk images in Don
Maslin's archive which appear to be for the 860:

 860-D3        SSDD8   860 (?)
 860SCRCH      SSDD8   860 Scratch disk
 860SCSYS      SSDD8   860 (?)
 860TRNG       SSDD8   860 Training disk  
 probably the same as the .IMDs that I just uploaded to bitsavers

 ------------------------------

 Message: 17
 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 03:57:48 +0000
 From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan at snarc.net>
 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks
 Message-ID:
    <1732201428-1375847869-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-114220280- at
b18.c15.bise6.blackberry>

 Content-Type: text/plain

 > There are four 8" disk images in Don
Maslin's archive which appear to be for the 860 ... The 860SCSYS.TD0 image appears to
be a system disk of some sort. The others appear to contain word processing documents.  I
can send you (or Ian) the image files, or write them to 8" disks for you.  
 Thanks Mike. Please send me a fresh copy of the system disk and the training disk. If at
all possible, please mail them tomorrow (Wed.) so I'll get them by Saturday and be
able to test them at the museum Sunday. Will send you my snail mail privately.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 18
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:07:26 -0700
 From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID: <5201C7FE.4010703 at sydex.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 08/06/2013 08:27 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:

     There are four 8" disk images in Don
Maslin's archive which appear
 to be for the 860:

 860-D3        SSDD8   860 (?)
 860SCRCH      SSDD8   860 Scratch disk
 860SCSYS      SSDD8   860 (?)
 860TRNG       SSDD8   860 Training disk

    The 860SCSYS.TD0 image appears to be a system disk of some sort.
 The others appear to contain word processing documents.  I can send you
 (or Ian) the image files, or write them to 8" disks for you.  
 Well, I probably got the 860 sample from Don way back when, as it's his 
 handwriting on the floppy along with my name.  I didn't know if he kept 
 the images around.

 So, Emily Litella.

 --Chuck

 ------------------------------

 Message: 19
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 23:34:05 -0500
 From: George Currie <g at kurico.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
 Message-ID: <e622b1dba122a00e2794635d794730f2 at mail.mxes.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

  So Apple can get competitors products banned from
import if they are
 found to violate Apple patents, but if Apple products are found to
 infringe other companies' patents, that's just too f*&#ing bad for
 those companies.

 Who says that the US doesn't have the best government money can buy?  
 Actually no, Apple has been found in violation of plenty of patents, 
 they aren't getting special treatment.  This is all about MOT and FRAND 
 abuse, which is pretty clearly the case here.  Most here remember RAMBUS 
 and their (seemingly) never ending tango with the FTC, similar story, 
 the FTC isn't doing anything new or giving Apple any special treatment.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 20
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 21:37:01 -0700
 From: Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Model II/12/16/6000 TRSDOS images wanted
 Message-ID:
    <CAFrGgTR94fYXfxt4fUzz6EFOpymosO4xDW5pA8JNDEKah1dbAQ at mail.gmail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 If anyone happens to have any Model II/12/16/6000 TRSDOS images that
 could be made available, it would help with my continued
 reverse-engineering efforts.  Images of virgin TRSDOS distribution
 disks are preferred.  I'm especially interested in TRSDOS-1.0 and 1.1,
 and TRSDOS-II 4.x.

 Thanks!
 Eric

 ------------------------------

 Message: 21
 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 21:40:12 -0700
 From: mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Xerox 860 disks?
 Message-ID: <5201CFAC.6090305 at gmail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 On 8/6/2013 9:07 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
  On 08/06/2013 08:27 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:

     There are four 8" disk images in Don
Maslin's archive which appear
 to be for the 860:

 860-D3        SSDD8   860 (?)
 860SCRCH      SSDD8   860 Scratch disk
 860SCSYS      SSDD8   860 (?)
 860TRNG       SSDD8   860 Training disk

    The 860SCSYS.TD0 image appears to be a system disk of some sort.
 The others appear to contain word processing documents.  I can send you
 (or Ian) the image files, or write them to 8" disks for you.  
 Well, I probably got the 860 sample from Don way back when, as it's 
 his handwriting on the floppy along with my name.  I didn't know if he 
 kept the images around.

 So, Emily Litella.

 --Chuck  
 The 860 I had came with a mess of disks that were labeled in a way that 
 made them seem sort of specific to the machine they were for. It may 
 have just been to tell people where they were supposed to be returned to 
 but, it also may have meant that there was some sort of customization on 
 the boot disk for each system. Things like what monitor and devices were 
 attached.  It all seemed to be something Xerox field people were in 
 charge of setting up.  Very little information on those things out 
 there. I always thought maybe mine wouldn't boot because I didn't have 
 the exact right boot disk or something the boot disk expected to find 
 wasn't connected.

 ------------------------------

 Message: 22
 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:01:27 -0700
 From: Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
 Message-ID:
    <CAFrGgTR-z-D6mZcY-51qsvjicrEyXn=j6cSTs66Jq6Xdij7A4g at mail.gmail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 I wrote:
  So Apple can get competitors products banned from
import if they are
 found to violate Apple patents, but if Apple products are found to
 infringe other companies' patents, that's just too f*&#ing bad for
 those companies.

 Who says that the US doesn't have the best government money can buy?  
 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM, George Currie <g at kurico.com> wrote:
  Actually no, Apple has been found in violation of
plenty of patents, they
 aren't getting special treatment.  This is all about MOT and FRAND abuse,
 which is pretty clearly the case here.  Most here remember RAMBUS and their
 (seemingly) never ending tango with the FTC, similar story, the FTC isn't
 doing anything new or giving Apple any special treatment.  
 Apple most certainly is getting special treatment by the US
 government. President Obama and the US Trade Representative overturned
 the import ban the FTC imposed on Apple as a result of the FTC finding
 in June that Apple infringed a Samsung patent. This clearly
 demonstrates that corruption in the US government reaches the highest
 levels. (No big surprise.)

 ------------------------------

 Message: 23
 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:28:45 -0500
 From: George Currie <g at kurico.com>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
 Subject: Re: Apple & FTC
 Message-ID: <7b4e740d3b63d0bd0e866481c6372c96 at mail.mxes.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

  Apple most certainly is getting special treatment
by the US
 government. President Obama and the US Trade Representative 
 overturned
 the import ban the FTC imposed on Apple as a result of the FTC 
 finding
 in June that Apple infringed a Samsung patent. This clearly
 demonstrates that corruption in the US government reaches the highest
 levels. (No big surprise.)  
 I assume you disagree that Samsung was being abusive with their SEP and 
 violating FRAND agreements?  BTW, that should be "ITC finding" not "FTC 
 finding".  Also, I realize that I mistakenly said MOT vs Samsung in my 
 original reply (MOT is also ignoring FRAND).

 ------------------------------

 Message: 24
 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 01:28:55 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net>
 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
    <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
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 On Wed, 7 Aug 2013, George Currie wrote:

   Apple
most certainly is getting special treatment by the US government. 
 President Obama and the US Trade Representative overturned the import 
 ban the FTC imposed on Apple as a result of the FTC finding in June 
 that Apple infringed a Samsung patent. This clearly demonstrates that 
 corruption in the US government reaches the highest levels. (No big 
 surprise.)  
 I assume you disagree that Samsung was being abusive with their SEP and 
 violating FRAND agreements?  BTW, that should be "ITC finding" not "FTC 
 finding".  Also, I realize that I mistakenly said MOT vs Samsung in my 
 original reply (MOT is also ignoring FRAND).  
 IMO, every single one of them has been abusing the processes. Apple 
 however is clearly getting special treatment.

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 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 06:22:46 -0700
 From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org>
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 On 8/6/13 9:40 PM, mc68010 wrote:

  The 860 I had came with a mess of disks that were
labeled in a way that made them seem sort of specific to the machine they were for. 

 I still have those disks, just need to dig them back out and image them. Those
particular
 Maslin images were just the easiest to upload. I also remember there being at least one
860
 CP/M disk from him as well.

 There are several hardware configurations, and at least two different resolution
displays
 on the 860.

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