test-drb May 2013

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first unix experiences / was Re: [cctalk] Re: An IRIX time capsule...

by seefriek＠gmail.com

AT&T SVR2.something on a 3B20 for about 3 days before conning my way into a SunOS 3.5 account on a Sun 3/160. From: Rich Alderson <RichA at vulcan.com> > > And I've tried so hard! Pyramid 90x, UChicago, 1982. > We had one of these at GaTech. Which one of the equally broken "universes" did you work in? On May 10, 2013, at 7:29 PM, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > > As mine was a special secure version of A/UX 2.0 on a Mac IIfx that > was cleared for Top Secret work, I'd just as soon forget it. > At the beginning of my career, I worked for the company that almost certainly wrote that. You're welcome! P.S. - We also wrote the infamous C2-Subsystem for SCO Unix. Still get hate for that. On 05/10/2013 08:04 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > I thought MGR (who remembers that) would be the way > to go > Oh yes. Definitely remember MGR. Learned a lot from studying the code. Tangentially...AT&T Layers. From: "Rick Bensene" <rickb at bensene.com> > > It ran a derivative port of 4.2BSD called UTek...I learned a lot > about Unix internals, as I managed to get my hands on > source, and could build my own kernels, drivers, and utilities. > I would really like to see the source to UTek of that vintage, having spent time with (much) later versions. Neat system. From: BE Arnold <bearnold at outlook.com> > > First one I got any real training on was NCR's flavor of AT&T 5.4. > Oddly, I spent a lot of time with, of all things, Dell's version of SVR4 running on their hardware in the 386/486 days. They put a lot of effort into making it slick to install and use. Much nicer than you would imagine.

11 years, 2 months

OS/2 on hardware other than '286 or '386 processors

by rob＠bitscience.ca

It didn't happen, at least not at IBM or Microsoft during the Joint Development Agreement era. It would have been physically impossible. After IBM had OS/2 to itself, all sorts of strange things went on. So, I can't completely discount a port after that point. I would be extraordinarily surprised if IBM had targeted DEC hardware, though. But up until "the divorce", I can unequivocally state that no such thing happened. - Rob Ferguson (Microsoft 1986-1996 and other times)

11 years, 2 months

Anyone have a IBM Model 25-286 Riser card?

by raifield＠gmail.com

I had the bright idea of swapping out a Model 25 board (8086) with a Model 30-286 board, thinking that the boards were exactly the same. They are, actually, but the Model 30 board comes with a three-slot ISA riser, which does not fit in the Model 25 case. Apparently I need the Model 25-286 two-slot riser. I don't want to try plugging the original 8-bit Model 25 riser in, I fear it will somehow fry the board. Does anyone have a riser card they're willing to part with, or know the IBM part number I need to be looking for?

11 years, 2 months

Taligent

by nigel.d.williams＠gmail.com

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote: > Taligent was to be part of the application framework. The microkernel used by Pink and > the object model were "toys". Much of the consternation over Taligent at IBM was fighting > over trying to get fundamental issues addressed (which I won't go into here...it would take > many hours to compose a sane account). Did some of the Taligent codebase end up in SUN's Java implementation, perhaps the libraries? I encourage you to add to the story of Taligent. I remember at the time Taligent gained a lot of press attention, particularly when Apple was struggling with what to do with their operating system and Pink was seen as the answer.

11 years, 2 months

first unix experiences

by barythrin＠gmail.com

My first glimpse of a unix shell was a bit obscure and late in the game (it was obsolete at the time) but I'm curious if someone here can confirm/guess what it was. It was large desktop machine and I can't quite remember if it was side by side (think full height) 8" floppy drives. It was at a computer repair store as something to play/learn on. Unfortunately this was probably mid 90s so no help as to the actual year the machine was in production. I had always wanted to buy it off the store but they disappeared before I had any paying job or opportunity. I'm guessing it was a Vax but since I haven't really seen may first hand other than my 3000 did they come as 8" floppy desktops?

11 years, 2 months

first unix experiences / was Re: [cctalk] Re: An IRIX time capsule...

by kevin_anderson_dbq＠yahoo.com

SunOS on 3/50s, 3/60s, with a server and thick Ethernet cabling. This was around 1986 to 1988, while I was in graduate school. After that, 1994 to 1999, it was administering a whole office full of Sun networked workstations (10, 20, UltraSparc). My first non-Sun Unix experience was testing BSD on a small PC. As one you has never really had DEC PDP-11 or Vax experience to any extent, I look at those computers and think more about wanting to put Ultrix or some other Unix/BSD/Linux system on them and don't think nostalgic about DEC operating systems. My first big computer experience (not counting some timeshare Basic programming on MECC/MERITS systems in Minnesota) from 1977 to 1981 in college was with Harris computers running Vulcan or VOS. That is my frame of reference for major computer, followed by SunOS/Solaris. Today my operating system of choice is Linux (e.g., Xubuntu). Having said that, I do have a healthy respect and admiration to those of you here who know PDP-11 and Vax systems, plus before that PDP-8 and things like OS/8. Let alone the various obscure systems. I just can't relate at the same time. Kevin Anderson a lurking subscriber from Iowa

11 years, 2 months

HP 1820-1584 IC replacement?

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

Bob, Those hp parts, the expansion bus uses them also. If you don't use a rom module you can use on of them, they're located near the rom connector. Rik -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: "Bob Rosenbloom" <bobalan at sbcglobal.net> Verzonden: ?11-?5-?2013 07:40 Aan: "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Onderwerp: HP 1820-1584 IC replacement? I have an HP 9872 plotter that just died. According to the internal self test (very nice!) one of the bib (MOS to TTL) drivers has failed. A scope shows one data line not moving also. The HP part number is 1820-1584. I can't find a cross reference on the web for it. Does anyone know if there's an equivalent chip? It's a 20 pin dip. +7 volts on pin 20, gnd on 10 MOS side is pins 1-8, TTL side is 12-19 A signal called TTL on pin 9 and another control signal, BD on pin 11 I would love to get this running again. Thanks, Bob

11 years, 2 months

An IRIX time capsule...

by jon＠jonworld.com

Hi! This probably doesn't count as true vintage, since it's circa 1992 and is a 32-bit workstation. But it's an awesome score for something local to Indianapolis and as complete as it is, so I must brag. I just scored an SGI Indigo Iris, complete, with keyboard, mouse, 19" beige SGI monitor, two internal hard drives, floppy drive, DDS tape drive, and external CD-ROM, plus boxes full of software and books. It's a 33Mhz 16M system with an R3000 w/ math coprocessor. The stuff that came with it is even more interesting. The books include the full SGI document set; Iris software guide, Iris owners guide, programming guide, network programming guide, compiler guide, ANSI C transition guide, C language guide, C++ programming guide, (again, all SGI-branded.) There are also AT&T C++ Library guides, still in the shrink-wrap. There is also some vintage O'Rielly books like learning vi, the X11 programming manual. There are also two OSF/1 Motif programming manuals (Programmers guide, style guide.) Also included are guides for SoftPC AT, allowing up to a 286 to be run under Irix. I believe this is installed on the system but I have yet to test/verify. There are even more books, which are water damaged :( CDs include IRIX 4.0.5, IRIX 4.0.5 maintenance, Soft PC/AT 1.1, Hot Mix 1-6, and a few other odds and ends. Is any of this stuff BitSavers or the document archive website(s) would be interested in?

11 years, 2 months

MXV11 Documentation

by cruff＠ruffspot.net

On May 11, 2013, at 11:19:11 +0200 Sander Reiche wrote: > These seem to be engineer drawings : > http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/MXV11-A/ Warning: don't try to use the Mac OS X Preview app to open these files. While they will display ok the first time, but Preview will resave them as files 100x the size of the originals, but all of the pages will now be solid black rectangles.

11 years, 2 months

The things you find on ebay...

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Was it related to some marketing slogan/advertisement at the time?

11 years, 2 months

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