test-drb September 2011

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198 discussions

by jdr_use＠bluewin.ch

Whoever got that set of Lilith;s that where on ebay.de, if you are on this list that is, please ensure that you write-protect the disks. Medos, the Lilith OS, expects a writable disk, but will boot and run from a write-protected one. Otherwise you run the risk that a slight error in diskdrive or controller will ruin your disk pack. Happened to me more than just once... And don't forget to replace those Keytronic foam pads : Medos expects a keystroke before booting up ! And google for "Emulith" in case you want to try out my Lilith emulator first. Jos Dreesen

12 years, 7 months

HP-UX 10.20 manuals

by eric＠brouhaha.com

Are the HP-UX 10.20 manuals available online in PDF format somewhere? I can find a lot of 11.x manuals on the HP site, but nothing for 10.20. Failing that, was there a documentation CD or the like? Thanks! Eric

12 years, 7 months

MicroPLATO Pascal Course

by spedraja＠ono.com

Just arrived to PLATO World, I've encountered this while lurking: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1983-Control-Data-CDC-PLATO-Pascal-CBE-CAI-Course… Regards SPc.

12 years, 7 months

Algol 68C For PDP-10

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

Many moons ago I taught myself Algol 68 using ALGOL 68C on a DECSYSTEM-20. I would love to find a copy of this to install on SIMH if at all possible. I have a vague recollection that it may have been on a DECUS tape, so I am wondering if anyone has any such thing in their archives? Many thanks Rob

12 years, 7 months

Apple2gs emulation

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Does anyone know anyone associated with the xkegs Apple2gs emulator project? The latest version seems nice, but supports only OSS audio, which is a little bit of a pain to deal with on modern Linux systems. There is an SDL fork out there, but it hasn't been updated in nine years. I'd like to figure out how/if the latest xkegs can be patched to do SDL or if there's another Apple2gs emulator worth playing with. Last time I tried MESS for this, I got hopelessly lost. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

12 years, 7 months

John Romero to keynote KansasFest 2012

by pr＠kansasfest.org

SEPTEMBER 30, 2011 -- KansasFest 2012, the Apple II convention scheduled for July 17?22 in Kansas City, Missouri, comes just two months after the twentieth anniversary of Wolfenstein 3D, the first-person shooter that, when released for MS-DOS in 1992, defined a genre that is still popular today. Not only did the game, which was later ported to the Apple IIGS, use as its inspiration the Apple II game Castle Wolfenstein; Wolfenstein 3D's creators got their start working at Apple II disk magazine Softdisk. To commemorate that anniversary and heritage, KansasFest 2012's keynote speech will be delivered by none other than Wolfenstein 3D co-creator John Romero. Romero, whose Apple II credits include Dangerous Dave and Dark Castle, has been a pillar of the electronic entertainment industry for nearly as long as the Apple II has existed. Popular Apple II magazine inCider published Romero's first program in 1984, with many more of his titles to appear in both inCider and Nibble. Romero later joined Origin Systems, publisher of the Ultima and Wing Commander games, as a programmer, after which he co-founded Inside Out Software. At both companies, he ported software to and from the Apple II and Commodore 64. With KansasFest 2008 keynote speaker Lane Roathe, Romero also co-founded software company Ideas From the Deep, where he developed the Apple II game Zappa Roidz as well as the InfoDOS operating system for Infocom's Apple II games. In 1989, Romero joined Softdisk, a stint that introduced him to three important people: John Carmack, Tom Hall, and Adrian Carmack. The four co-workers left Softdisk in 1991 to co-found id Software, which a year later revolutionized electronic gaming and demonstrated the potential of the shareware distribution model when they released Wolfenstein 3D, which sold 100,000 units in its first 18 months. Later id Software blockbusters, including DOOM and Quake, further cemented the company as an industry powerhouse. Romero has since been involved with many additional high-profile games, including Deus Ex, Daikatana, and Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows. He most recently co-founded social games company Loot Drop, developer of the popular Facebook game Ravenwood Fair, which currently has nearly five million users. Despite such overwhelming success and a storied r?sum?, Romero has long celebrated his roots as an Apple II programmer. In 1998, he reunited forty Apple II programmersin celebration of the Apple II turning 20 the year before. So prestigious were Romero's invitations that in attendance was Apple II inventor Steve Wozniak, KansasFest 2003's keynote speaker. It was this event that later inspired Jason Scott, keynote speaker at KansasFest 2009, to begin production on a documentary of the 6502 processor, which powers the Apple II. Romero appeared in Scott's text-adventure documentary, Get Lamp, and will support Scott's upcoming 6502 film as well. >From Commander Keen to DOOM and Quake, Romero's games ? 97 to date ? regularly become household names and spawn countless imitators. Romero's reflection on the role of the Apple II in both his and the industry's successes will captivate KansasFest 2012 attendees. KansasFest is an annual convention offering Apple II users and retrocomputing enthusiasts the opportunity to engage in beginner and technical sessions, programming contests, exhibition halls, and camaraderie. KansasFest was originally hosted by Resource Central and has been brought to you by the KFest Committee since 1995. Any and all Apple II users, fans, and friends are invited to attend this year's event. Registration details will be announced on the KansasFest Web site in early 2012. For photos, videos, and presentations from past KansasFests, please visit the event's official Web site at http://www.kansasfest.org/ CONTACT: KansasFest 2012 http://www.kansasfest.org/ http://twitter.com/kansasfest/

12 years, 7 months

Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Hi, Our 3100 is dying. Thinking of running SIMH. Big stumbling block is how to move the OS and files. I've used Kermit when I've done this for RT11, but that seems like torture for 8 Gb on two disks. Can't I just stick in a SCSI controller and use something like ODS2 to read the SCSI drive and put them into the new container? Thinking of using (probably) XP or Windows7. Am I missing something here? And, if I read it correctly, the only device that talks to the outside world is the ethernet connection in SIMH-vax. Well, that will take care of pretty much everything, I guesss, since we only have printers and terminals, and I can switch over to PCs with VT100 software. Anybody been through this already and have some pointers? thanks in advance Joe Heck

12 years, 7 months

Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape

by will_kranz＠softhome.net

I did a fair amount of research and coding for TU58 emulation over the years, most of that experience and links to utilities for MSDOS and Linux are available at http://www.willsworks.net/pdp11/tu58-emu.htm

12 years, 7 months

AW: Algol 68C For PDP-10

by gerhard.kreuzer＠liftoff.at

Hi Rob, I am also interested, if you find something, please send me a note, thanks. With best regards Gerhard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Im Auftrag von cctalk-request at classiccmp.org Gesendet: Freitag, 30. September 2011 10:44 An: cctalk at classiccmp.org Betreff: cctalk Digest, Vol 97, Issue 60 Send cctalk mailing list submissions to cctalk at classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctalk-request at classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks (Alexandre Souza - Listas) 2. Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape (Alexandre Souza - Listas) 3. Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks (Tony Duell) 4. Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation (Dave McGuire) 5. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas (emanuel stiebler) 6. Re: Apple 2gs goodies (Gene Buckle) 7. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas (Gene Buckle) 8. Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation (Chuck Guzis) 9. Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape (Dave McGuire) 10. Re: Machine code riddle (Fairchild Series 70 system) (Chuck Guzis) 11. Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape (Chuck Guzis) 12. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas (Dave McGuire) 13. Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's (steve shumaker) 14. Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks (Chuck Guzis) 15. Re: Machine code riddle (Fairchild Series 70 system) (Chuck Guzis) 16. HP-UX 10.20 manuals (Eric Smith) 17. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas (joe heck) 18. Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape (Chris Elmquist) 19. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas (Brian Wheeler) 20. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas (Dave McGuire) 21. Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's (Josh Dersch) 22. Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's (steve shumaker) 23. Altos CPM and MPM disks (Jerry Wright) 24. Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's (SPC) 25. Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas (Huw Davies) 26. Algol 68C For PDP-10 (Rob Jarratt) 27. Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation (Christian Corti) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:34:00 -0300 From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks Message-ID: <F6EEB8A1C3634D4FBBB603FBE944D92C at portajara> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > My intent in the next couple of weeks is to blog it on Erik's VC > site. But as Dave says, combinatorial logic is pretty easy. Digging > inside of a GAL can be very challenging indeed if the security fuses > are blown (and on most commercial gear, they are). Chuck, please keep me informed about that ;) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:35:58 -0300 From: "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape Message-ID: <549B138148454E85BDDD51179A233191 at portajara> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response > I believe there's an optical shaft encoder on the spindle motor of the > TU58. I'd check to see that the disk (which is paper-thin sheet metal) > and the opto interruptor aren't clogged up with dust bunnies, then test > the opto interruptor itself. What is the difference from a TU58 to a normal DC-600 drive? Can't be used a normal DC-600 (e.g.: for PC) in place of a TU-58? I don't have anything DEC, just out of curiosity :) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:31:14 +0100 (BST) From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks Message-ID: <m1R9NGL-000J4TC at p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain > A worthwhile project might be a cheap "universal PROM/PAL" reader. I built one years ago, initially for the CoCo, I later used in on an MS-DOS machine. It consists of 16 output lines (notionally address, but could be used for enables/clocks where nexcessoar), 8 input lines (used to read in the data), and +/-5V, +/-12V power lines. The CoCO version used TTL latches and buffers, the PC version used an 8255 PCB from Maplin. A manual toggle swithc tri-states all ouytput lines and turns off the PSU rails so you can safely insert/remove ICs. These signals all go to one row of pins of a 64 pin DIN 41612 socket. The other row of pins is wired ot the 32 pins of a ZIF socket. I then have little boards with a DIN41612 plug wired appropriately to conenct the inputs, outputs, and power lines ot the right pins of the socket. I suspect that for me, soldeirng up wone of those boards takes less time than modifying a configuration file, so it's actually easier for me to do it in hardware than to have thing that's configured in software. -tony ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:46:20 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation Message-ID: <4E84D91C.5080800 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 09/29/2011 04:17 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Dave McGuire<mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: >> I just landed a big consulting job (one of the reasons I'm in the process >> of moving from FL to PA, there's actual WORK here!) > > Hope to see you at the Pittsburgh Mini Maker Faire next month. Hey, you'll be there?! Yes, I'm thinking Dan Roganti (from whom I now live right up the road) and I, as well as my fiancee' Autumn, will almost definitely be in attendance. We'll have to catch up on that privately before the event so we can find each other. And since you'll be in town, you're welcome to come up to see my new place. It's very much a work in progress, but I have a 4700-square-foot room here filled to the gills with awesome hardware. Most of my old iron is here now, though not quite all. My new place is in New Kensington, about 18mi NE of Pittsburgh proper, right up Route 28. >> that will have me doing a lot of AVR work. I'm looking forward to that. > > Cool. I mess with Arduino for fun and as an instructor for a couple of > groups in Columbus. Neat! >> That was why I was dicking >> with the Arduino board this morning (with bare metal, no Arduino platform), >> to test my freshly-built cross-compilation and programming toolchain. > > Yep. Been doing that for a couple of years - works great. I use a > USBtinyISP to stuff the code down the pipe, though there are lots of > inexpensive or free options. I'm currently borrowing Dan's AVRISP mkII, but I have a Chinese clone of that module on the way to me now. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:52:36 -0600 From: emanuel stiebler <emu at e-bbes.com> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas Message-ID: <4E84DA94.4010001 at e-bbes.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2011-09-29 07:38, joe heck wrote: > Hi, > > Our 3100 is dying. Thinking of running SIMH. Which model, and what is dying? It probably is an easy fix, 3100's are cheap, even on ebay. cheers ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:58:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Apple 2gs goodies Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1109291358070.32584 at grumble.deltasoft.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, David Griffith wrote: > > Has anyone here bought Apple 2gs stuff from 16sector.com? Playing with an > emulator got me thinking about pulling out the actual hardware and hopping it > up to what I craved the first time round. They have an 8M memory expander > and an IDE interface, among other things. Someone else, a2retrosystems.com, > has ethernet interfaces now and then. The FocusIDE card my BBS is running from came from him - as well as my SSC and No Slot Clock. Tony is a stand up guy. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1109291359580.32584 at grumble.deltasoft.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Ok, did anyone else spot the little typo just before Brian's mailer's reply > quote? ;) *snicker* > > -Dave > > On 09/29/2011 02:06 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote: >> b duaOn Thu, 2011-09-29 at 17:47 +0100, Rob Jarratt wrote: >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk- So many windows, so little time. :) (hears Dave yell "FOCUS!" in the background) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:01:49 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation Message-ID: <4E847A4D.24782.176FD9E at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Sep 2011 at 16:09, Dave McGuire wrote: > I just landed a big consulting job (one of the reasons I'm in the > process of moving from FL to PA, there's actual WORK here!) that will > have me doing a lot of AVR work. I'm looking forward to that. That > was why I was dicking with the Arduino board this morning (with bare > metal, no Arduino platform), to test my freshly-built > cross-compilation and programming toolchain. If you program in assembly, you'll learn to hate the AVR assembler. (Yeah, I know there's one in GCC as well, but it's not the same thing, as a *real* macro assembler). Must have been an assignment for an intern. There are better alternatives, if you're willing to work a bit to keep things updated to the chip you're working on. --Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:01:49 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape Message-ID: <4E84DCBD.7040005 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 09/29/2011 04:35 PM, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote: >> I believe there's an optical shaft encoder on the spindle motor of the >> TU58. I'd check to see that the disk (which is paper-thin sheet metal) >> and the opto interruptor aren't clogged up with dust bunnies, then >> test the opto interruptor itself. > > What is the difference from a TU58 to a normal DC-600 drive? Can't be > used a normal DC-600 (e.g.: for PC) in place of a TU-58? > > I don't have anything DEC, just out of curiosity :) It's a completely different form-factor of tape, for one thing. ;) The TU58 is a DC100-style cartridge. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:05:31 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Machine code riddle (Fairchild Series 70 system) Message-ID: <4E847B2B.13899.17A61E7 at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Sep 2011 at 21:21, Tony Duell wrote: > Or a mu-metal box? I've seen permalloy foil, so you could wrap the floppies in that... --Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:17:18 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape Message-ID: <4E847DEE.20017.1852BAF at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Sep 2011 at 17:35, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote: > What is the difference from a TU58 to a normal DC-600 drive? Can't > be used a normal DC-600 (e.g.: for PC) in place of a TU-58? > > I don't have anything DEC, just out of curiosity :) Other than physical aspects of the tape cartridge and drive, the TU58 uses a factory-preformatted tape with special marks recorded for BOT and EOT. A DC600 QIC02 style tape uses holes punched into the tape and an optical sensor to determine BOT/EOT. The TU58 is actually closer to a 3M Iotamat drive. Given the cantankerousness of the medium, however, TU58 emulators have been developed. --Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:24:33 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas Message-ID: <4E84E211.6000902 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 09/29/2011 05:00 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Dave McGuire wrote: > >> >> Ok, did anyone else spot the little typo just before Brian's mailer's >> reply quote? ;) *snicker* >> >> -Dave >> >> On 09/29/2011 02:06 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote: >>> b duaOn Thu, 2011-09-29 at 17:47 +0100, Rob Jarratt wrote: >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk- > > So many windows, so little time. :) (hears Dave yell "FOCUS!" in the > background) ROFL!! -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:28:08 -0700 From: steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's Message-ID: <4E84E2E8.9040505 at att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 9/29/2011 1:24 PM, Rik Bos wrote: > Spoken for.. > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] >> Namens Rik Bos >> Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2011 22:00 >> Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Onderwerp: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL >> 8"disc's >> >> Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's >> >> About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format the >> discs... >> >> >> >> -Rik >> > > oh bummer. would the proud new owner be willing to make copies of the cpm disks..... please.... steve ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:29:08 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Firmware library was Kaypro 4 CP/M disks Message-ID: <4E8480B4.30161.18FFE9E at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Sep 2011 at 21:31, Tony Duell wrote: > > A worthwhile project might be a cheap "universal PROM/PAL" reader. > > I built one years ago, initially for the CoCo, I later used in on an > MS-DOS machine. > > It consists of 16 output lines (notionally address, but could be used > for enables/clocks where nexcessoar), 8 input lines (used to read in > the data), and +/-5V, +/-12V power lines. The CoCO version used TTL > latches and buffers, the PC version used an 8255 PCB from Maplin. A > manual toggle swithc tri-states all ouytput lines and turns off the > PSU rails so you can safely insert/remove ICs. These signals all go to > one row of pins of a 64 pin DIN 41612 socket. The other row of pins is > wired ot the 32 pins of a ZIF socket. Mine is currently populated for 8 input, 12 output, but has positions for an extra 151 and one more 393. That expands it to 16 outputs, and 20 inputs (from the DUT's perspective) (the low order 4 bits of the first 393 drives the select on the 151s). I've got headers on all of the outputs and inputs as well as on the DUT socket, so it's just a matter of jumpering things how you'd like. With a wirewrap gun, it's literally just a couple of minutes to change the configuration. But a uC has a huge advantage when creating a general solution, as you don't need any sort of pin drivers--just change the programming for the uC pins and you're all set. I was lazy with mine--I knew that counters would work and required no device programming, leaving the smarts on the PC side. --Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:32:20 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Machine code riddle (Fairchild Series 70 system) Message-ID: <4E848174.19280.192ECFC at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 29 Sep 2011 at 21:25, Tony Duell wrote: > Is it? I thought a dipole field fell off as 1/R^3. Anyway, it falls > off pretty fast. It's more complicated than that. At *near* distances, it's inverse- square; at *far* distances, it's inverse-cube. At intermediate distances, it's somewhere betweeen the two and a nightmare to calculate. --Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:23:53 -0700 From: Eric Smith <eric at brouhaha.com> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: HP-UX 10.20 manuals Message-ID: <4E850C19.7010705 at brouhaha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Are the HP-UX 10.20 manuals available online in PDF format somewhere? I can find a lot of 11.x manuals on the HP site, but nothing for 10.20. Failing that, was there a documentation CD or the like? Thanks! Eric ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:36:18 -0400 From: joe heck <trash3 at splab.cas.neu.edu> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas Message-ID: <4E850F02.9090200 at splab.cas.neu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks for all the ideas, folks. Yes, I've looked into Charon and the cost would probably bankrupt the company. At least that's how I read their price list. Yes, it's the right way to go, but... I suppose the company could take the COBOL code and move it to a real PC environment as well...get away from VMS entirely. Since at least one person suggested staying with the real hardware, perhaps that is the best bet. I'm not even happy about upgrading the OS, since I really don't want to get the license manager into a fit. The hardware seems pretty stable, except for the disks. I had asked about disks a while back and got many excellent responses. However, I went with one which was to buy the new "cheetah"? drive, very big, and unfortunately, 5.5-2 won't support it, along with the firmware. My bad, I forget to say the system is running antiquated software. So, it's back to the 4GB drives. Went with a used drive from a reputable vender, and things are stable for now. You've given me many good options to think about, so now I have to make a recommendation to my friend/client. Just when I was about to retire and get out of the business... Thanks again, Joe Heck ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:38:18 -0500 From: Chris Elmquist <chrise at pobox.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Copying in a real TU-58 one virtual TU-58 tape Message-ID: <20110930003818.GU30971 at n0jcf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Thursday (09/29/2011 at 04:29PM -0400), Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: > > ?I believe there's an optical shaft encoder on the spindle motor of the > > TU58. ?I'd check to see that the disk (which is paper-thin sheet metal) and > > the opto interruptor aren't clogged up with dust bunnies, then test the opto > > interruptor itself. > > I can't remember the symptoms when it doesn't work, but it's a good > thing to check. If the device was powered on for thousands and > thousands of hours, the IR diode could be a bit dim - I've seen that > with 15+ year old optical interrupters before (and successfully > repaired the gear with a new interrupter). Ya... good idea except, I can measure nice clean tach pulses on the board after the op-amp stage that the photo transistor in the interrupter drives. So, I think I'm getting good tach signal from the interrupter. I've completely cleaned the unit so the dust bunnies have been long since exorcised. -- Chris Elmquist ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:08:54 -0400 From: Brian Wheeler <bdwheele at indiana.edu> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas Message-ID: <1317344936.5244.2.camel at bender> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 14:00 -0700, Gene Buckle wrote: > On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > > Ok, did anyone else spot the little typo just before Brian's mailer's reply > > quote? ;) *snicker* > > > > -Dave > > > > On 09/29/2011 02:06 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote: > >> b duaOn Thu, 2011-09-29 at 17:47 +0100, Rob Jarratt wrote: > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk- > > So many windows, so little time. :) (hears Dave yell "FOCUS!" in the > background) > > g. > well, to be fair, focus was the problem: I was in the wrong window when I was typing into simh :) ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:44:44 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas Message-ID: <4E852D1C.6060404 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 09/29/2011 09:08 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote: >>> Ok, did anyone else spot the little typo just before Brian's mailer's reply >>> quote? ;) *snicker* >>> >>> -Dave >>> >>> On 09/29/2011 02:06 PM, Brian Wheeler wrote: >>>> b duaOn Thu, 2011-09-29 at 17:47 +0100, Rob Jarratt wrote: >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk- >> >> So many windows, so little time. :) (hears Dave yell "FOCUS!" in the >> background) >> >> g. >> > > well, to be fair, focus was the problem: I was in the wrong window when > I was typing into simh :) Yes, I figured as much. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:52:40 -0700 From: Josh Dersch <derschjo at mail.msu.edu> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's Message-ID: <4E852EF8.4020001 at mail.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 9/29/2011 2:28 PM, steve shumaker wrote: > On 9/29/2011 1:24 PM, Rik Bos wrote: >> Spoken for.. >> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org >>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] >>> Namens Rik Bos >>> Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2011 22:00 >>> Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >>> Onderwerp: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft >>> COBOL >>> 8"disc's >>> >>> Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's >>> >>> About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format >>> the >>> discs... >>> >>> >>> >>> -Rik >> > > > oh bummer. would the proud new owner be willing to make copies of > the cpm disks..... please.... I snagged these, and I have a rig set up to archive 8" floppies -- I'll definitely be making images of them. I'll let you know! Josh > > > steve > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:31:15 -0700 From: steve shumaker <shumaker at att.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's Message-ID: <4E853803.5040809 at att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 9/29/2011 7:52 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > On 9/29/2011 2:28 PM, steve shumaker wrote: >> On 9/29/2011 1:24 PM, Rik Bos wrote: >>> Spoken for.. >>> >>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>> Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org >>>> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] >>>> Namens Rik Bos >>>> Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2011 22:00 >>>> Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >>>> Onderwerp: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft >>>> COBOL >>>> 8"disc's >>>> >>>> Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's >>>> >>>> About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I >>>> format the >>>> discs... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Rik >>> >> >> >> oh bummer. would the proud new owner be willing to make copies of >> the cpm disks..... please.... > > I snagged these, and I have a rig set up to archive 8" floppies -- > I'll definitely be making images of them. I'll let you know! > > Josh > >> >> >> steve >> > Thanks! I rescued an Altos 8100 a couple months ago that appears in pristine shape. Disks would be awesome! Steve ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Wright <g-wright at att.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Altos CPM and MPM disks Message-ID: <1317360232.86746.YahooMailRC at web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a large collection of cpmmpm disks for the Altos Z-80 series. which I have shared with other list members not sure why they have not been made available by now on line. Its been years Since I gave these out . I Had given Don Maslin my complete collection but realized these ended with his death . - Jerry ________________________________ From: steveshumaker <shumaker at att.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 8:31:15 PM Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's On 9/29/2011 7:52 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > On 9/29/2011 2:28 PM, steveshumaker wrote: >> On 9/29/2011 1:24 PM, Rik Bos wrote: >>> Spoken for.. >>> >>>> -----Oorspronkelijkbericht----- >>>> Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] >>>> Namens Rik Bos >>>> Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2011 22:00 >>>> Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >>>> Onderwerp: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL >>>> 8"disc's >>>> >>>> Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's >>>> >>>> About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format the >>>> discs... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Rik >>> >> >> >> oh bummer. would the proud new owner be willing to make copies of the cpm >>disks..... please.... > > I snagged these, and I have a rig set up to archive 8" floppies -- I'll >definitely be making images of them. I'll let you know! > > Josh > >> >> >> steve >> > Thanks! I rescued an Altos 8100 a couple months ago that appears in pristine shape. Disks would be awesome! Steve ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 00:31:50 +0200 From: SPC <spedraja at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Free for the cost of shiping : Altos CPM and MiocroSoft COBOL 8"disc's Message-ID: <CACytpF-gWcQDk2nn6R708N=2SZsYJ04P4p5_aSFWntc=mhHZxA at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I got one altos with 8 inch drives which uses cp/m. I,m interested. El 29/09/2011 21:59, "Rik Bos" <hp-fix at xs4all.nl> escribi?: > > Free for the c> Free for the cost of shipping : Altos CPM and Microsoft COBOL 8"disc's > > About 10 discs I don't have the hardware anymore, so before I format the > discs... > > > > -Rik > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:59:22 +1000 From: Huw Davies <huw.davies at mail.vsm.com.au> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas Message-ID: <D5784CEB-3BBA-44F7-B004-F8704FF96059 at kerberos.davies.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 30/09/2011, at 12:05 AM, Shoppa, Tim wrote: > This is trivially easy with a Unix type operating system. Put the SCSI drive on, "dd if=/dev/sd0 of=diskimage.dsk". And if you want to stick with OpenVMS, BACKUP/PHYSICAL is your friend. Or use LDDRIVER of course. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies at kerberos.davies.net.au Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the Australia | air, the sky would be painted green" ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:31:59 +0100 From: "Rob Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Algol 68C For PDP-10 Message-ID: <004c01cc7f3a$a9e48be0$fdada3a0$(a)ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many moons ago I taught myself Algol 68 using ALGOL 68C on a DECSYSTEM-20. I would love to find a copy of this to install on SIMH if at all possible. I have a vague recollection that it may have been on a DECUS tape, so I am wondering if anyone has any such thing in their archives? Many thanks Rob ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:43:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Corti <cc at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Kanbak-uino Arduino-based KENBAK-1 Recreation Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1109301040130.25704 at linuxserv.home> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Adrian Stoness wrote: > wow kool > > adrino funny been seen that stuff allot latly speacialy at my local hacker > space infact never herd of their gear till i joined the hackerspace haha I'd be ashamed if I produced such garbage in my mother tongue... And I don't even know what you wanted to say, I just can't "parse" it. Whatever I try, I constanly get a SYNTAX ERROR ;-) Christian End of cctalk Digest, Vol 97, Issue 60 **************************************

12 years, 7 months

Migration from VAX 3100 to SIMH questions and looking for ideas

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Joe writes: > Can't I just > stick in a SCSI controller and use something like ODS2 to read the SCSI > drive and put them into the new container? Thinking of using (probably) > XP or Windows7. This is trivially easy with a Unix type operating system. Put the SCSI drive on, "dd if=/dev/sd0 of=diskimage.dsk". You don't want any interpretation applied to turn the ODS-2 filesystem already on the disk into a bunch of Windows files. You want the whole disk as a bunch of contiguous blocks, nothing else. Tim.

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