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Dave Haynie's Garage Sale

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Commodore and Amiga fans, note: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=haynie%27s+ga… - John

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OT: Incandescent lamps get a reprieve, possiblly

by cclist＠sydex.com

An interesting article today: http://bit.ly/hRMBsl South Carolina legislators are proposing that the state allow manufacturing and sale of federally-proscribed incandescents. Why not? --Chuck

15 years

VAX 7810, VAX 3620 and VAX 3610 available in Detroit

by scott.m.18＠atsgate.com

Hey, Has anyone noticed these big VAXen available in Detroit? http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/sys/2257545671.html They look to be on raised floor (where I am guessing they have been for the last 20+ years). I would also guess this is one of those cases where they would accept $100 from anyone who could quietly and efficiently remove the machines with minor distruption to the other activities in the datacenter. I am over 800 miles away, so not a possibility for me. -Scott

15 years

Plaintext green cards site - anyone know it?

by listmailgoeshere＠gmail.com

Hi folks, A while ago I came across a website hosting a number (IIRC) of CPU opcode list "green cards" in plain text format, laid out as a card in 3 columns that you printed out and folded up. I'm trying to google up said site but not having any success. I don't suppose anyone knows it and could provide a link? Thanks, Ed.

15 years

Data recovery on 8" System/36 diskettes

by cube1＠charter.net

I may have what you need. I read in some IBM 8100 disks using a Catweasel a few years back. I am at work now, but will provide the Catweasel config that I read them with. On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Colin Eby wrote: > All -- > > Wondered if I could pick your collective brains. I'm helping a museum > to > recover data and software off 8" System/36 diskettes. The first batch > is a > DFU dataset. I've also got all the reference material I need on DFU > and > system utilities. But as I don't have PC Support/36 program media, I'm > going to have to do this from a PC running an 8" driver rather than > natively. > > To that end I've gathered up references to the IBM 2D disk format and > a > workstation where we're setting up a Catweasel controller and Shugart > 8" > drive. I'm aware of a number of utilities for forensics and disk > control. > Has anyone done this particular combination before? developed scripts? > made cwfloppy modules for decoding the format? Any suggestions and > guidance > would be welcome. > > I'd also love to find a copy of PC Support/36 so that theoretically we > could natively copy the files using 5250 workstation emulation. There > is a > 5362 system available to rebuild, and I have the SSP media to do the > job. > I also have an IBM P70 with a 5250 emulator card and software which > could > be used as the PC workstation, but I'm not aware of a source for this > particular application media. > > Thanks, > Colin Eby > > > > |------------> > | From: | > |------------> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |cctalk-request at classiccmp.org > | >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |------------> > | To: | > |------------> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |cctalk at classiccmp.org > | >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |------------> > | Date: | > |------------> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |09/04/2011 18:00 > | >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |------------> > | Subject: | > |------------> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 20 > | >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to > cctalk at classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctalk-request at classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OT: Incandescent lamps get a reprieve, possiblly > (Curt @ Atari Museum) > 2. Re: Advice on Lisa 2 restoration (John Robertson) > 3. DEC docs and machines available, Suffolk, UK (Adrian Graham) > 4. New rsync mirroring at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) > 5. Re: US manufacturing (was OT: Incandescent lamps get a > reprieve, possiblly) (Tim Shoppa) > 6. *NEW* C64! (Roy J. Tellason, Sr.) > 7. Re: *NEW* C64! (Chuck Guzis) > 8. RE: *NEW* C64! (Dan Gahlinger) > 9. Quantum leap in disk storage discovered! (Tom) > 10. Re: *NEW* C64! (Curt @ Atari Museum) > 11. Re: *NEW* C64! (Cameron Kaiser) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 01:26:35 -0400 > From: "Curt @ Atari Museum" <curt at atarimuseum.com> > Subject: Re: OT: Incandescent lamps get a reprieve, possiblly > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <4D9FEE0B.4070009 at atarimuseum.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I have a bunch of desktop reflow ovens for assembly, the CFL's do NOT > like them at all, they all start to rapidly dim during the HEAT > process > of the ovens, not sure - must be a lot of noise or something, the > ovens > are on a different circuit so its not a voltage drain. > > > > Philip Pemberton wrote: >> On 09/04/11 01:38, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote: >>> I have my plastics for my joysticks done out of Indiana, my PCB's >>> from a >>> firm in Utah, I source my IC's and components from Mouser. The only >>> things I can't get here in the US are my custom silicon contact >>> parts, >>> there is no money in them, so nobody seems to want to do them and I >>> can't find anyone in the US that actually MAKES, not sells USB >>> cables, >>> all the companies source them in from China, so I buy those direct. >>> >>> All of the assembly is done here in NY and shipped. >> >> Unfortunately it seems most of the UK manufacturing companies have >> gone bust, and the few who are left aren't really interested in >> small-scale work unless you're willing to pay well over the market >> rate... >> >> The Eurocircuits boards were fairly reasonably priced, and much >> better >> quality than the Gold Phoenix boards -- the soldermask is lighter, >> but >> WAY thicker and tougher. On some of the early prototypes (before I >> perfected the reflow profile) the soldermask started to split and >> crack around the FPGA. >> >> Curiously enough, I never had that problem with the Eurocircuits >> boards, even with the "omigosh it's burning!" reflow profile. Neither >> board type took well to being pre-baked, though -- it's a pretty easy >> way to oxidise the plating. Fixing that mess was great fun and >> involved a bottle of metal polish, two bottles of PCB cleaner and one >> of those brown rubber PCB cleaning blocks... >> >> Ick. Not gonna do that again. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:47:57 -0700 > From: John Robertson <pinball at telus.net> > Subject: Re: Advice on Lisa 2 restoration > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <4D9F747D.9000701 at telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Steven Hirsch wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have two Lisa 2s in my possession that both exhibit serious >> corrision from battery leakage. One is simply bad, the other is >> about >> the worst such situation I've ever laid eyes on. >> >> I was able to remove the battery packs to halt the degradation, but >> before I make a bad situation worse I thought I'd ask for some advice >> on how to proceed. >> >> I'm also trying to work out what the units might be worth. The deal >> with the seller is that I'm free to evaluate their condition and >> attempt to get one working unit out of the two. Assuming a nominally >> functional Lisa 2 with functional 10MB ProFile and fair cosmetic >> condition, what do folks think is a fair price for that unit (the >> owner wants whatever is left back, functioning or not)? >> >> Prices on eBay are really all over the map, so that's not of much >> help. >> >> Steve >> >> > Depending on the type of rechargable battery used in your Lisa you > should consider doing something to avoid corrosion on the circuit > boards. I wrote a page on dealing with batteries for Pinballs and > Jukeboxes, but the info applies to anything that is battery powered. > http://flippers.com/battery.html > > If the battery was Ni-Cad, then the stuff that leaked out was an > alkalye > (base) and should be neutralized with a mild acid (white vinegar & h20 > 50/50) then rinsed and dried thoroughly. > > You really want to deal with this sooner, rather than later... > > John :-#(# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:01:34 +0100 > From: Adrian Graham <witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> > Subject: DEC docs and machines available, Suffolk, UK > To: "Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Cc: chris bailey <chr15bailey at yahoo.co.uk> > Message-ID: <C9C5525E.2FBC3%witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Folks, > > Please see this email from Chris Bailey and reply directly to him if > interested. There's some really nice stuff in this collection of > largely > docs and maintenance spares, but also some VAXstations, cables (mostly > serial BC03M/BC22D and thinwire), diagnostic floppies, VAX TU58s, a > microfiche reader with quite a few fiches, and entire box of spare > LS74 > type > chips, a bag of what looks like drive belts, rack kits for BA35x > shelves, 2 > BA23 backplanes, 3 boxes of 115v fans etc. > > I can go back and hold things for a while for interested parties but I > have > limited space myself these days :/ > > Some pix: (all between 300-600kb jpg) > > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul01.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul02.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul03.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul04.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul05.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul06.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul07.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul08.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul09.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul10.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul11.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul12.jpg > http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul13.jpg > > There's a cutoff date of 21st April since Chris doesn't live where the > kit > currently is, also there's more VAX docs and probably other spares up > in > the > loft of the house that haven't been discovered yet. Note I've already > picked > up the Pro350s (well, 2 Pro350s and one VAX Console) because I don't > have > one and I know someone else who is looking for one. > > Cheers, and please help save this collection! > > -- > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator > Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer > collection? > > > Message from chris bailey (chr15bailey at yahoo.co.uk) on April 7th, 2011 > at > 01:27PM (BST). > > Hi, Im emailing you to see if you are interested in a load of vintage > Digital Equipment Corporation computers etc. > My dad has now passed away, but he was a DEC engineer for 20+years. > He > amassesd a whole load of DEC computers bits when he retired. > We are now clearing out the garage but are not sure what to do with > all > this > computer stuff, and just thought we'd see if anyone wants any of it > before > throwing it out. > Here is a brief list of whats in the garage. > > TZ85 > BA350 MA (X3) > VAXSTATION 3100 (X2) > VS42A-SN (X2) > DEC PRO 350 (X3) > LN08-A3-SN (LAZER PRINTER) > RZ55-F3 (X2) > TK50Z-63 > HZ821-00 (dismantled state) > V3201 (small monitor) > VR297D3 (Big monitor) > SC01-E (microfiche reader + inc microfiches) > MICROVAX II (large) > > There are numerous boxes of manuals,disks, cables,circuit boards etc. > > A quick reply would be appreciated if you would like to have any of > this, > otherwise it will go to the tip. > > We live not far from Ipswich (Martlesham Heath) in Suffolk. > > Regards. > Chris Bailey. > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:10:12 -0400 > From: shoppa at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) > Subject: New rsync mirroring at trailing-edge.com > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <20110409131013.045771E02A8 at mini-me.trailing-edge.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Last weekend I promised to enable rsync access to the archives > (and mirrors) here. > > I've set up the following rsync (no password required) archive sets > here: > > ftp : Public rsync access to ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/ area > pdp-10-tape-images : public rsync access to the PDP-10 tape images, > i.e. http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ > bitsavers-mirror : public rsync access to my local bitsavers mirror, > i.e. > http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/ > > Suggested rsync commands would be, for example: > > mkdir ./pdp-10-tape-images > rsync -rlptu -v www.trailing-edge.com::pdp-10-tape-images > ./pdp-10-tape-images > > mkdir ./ftp.trailing-edge.com > rsync -rlptu -v www.trailing-edge.com::ftp ./ftp.trailing-edge.com > > mkdir ./bitsavers-mirror > rsync -rlptu -v www.trailing-edge.com::bitsavers-mirror > ./bitsavers-mirror > > Realistically the pdp-10-tape-images and ftp sites don't change often, > butm my bitsavers mirror is kept up to date. > > I like to think my outgoing bandwidth (20 Mbit) is pretty much > infinite, > this looks like a good way to find out :-) > > ftp racks up to 3.5 Gbytes. PDP-10 tapes racks up to 2.2 Gbytes. And > bitsavers-mirror racks up to 126 Gbytes. > > Tim. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 10:03:22 -0400 > From: shoppa at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) > Subject: Re: US manufacturing (was OT: Incandescent lamps get a > reprieve, possiblly) > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <20110409140322.D34571E02A4 at mini-me.trailing-edge.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>>> I can't find anyone in the US that actually MAKES, not sells USB > cables, >>>> all the companies source them in from China, so I buy those direct. >> >>> Unfortunately it seems most of the UK manufacturing companies have >>> gone >>> bust, and the few who are left aren't really interested in >>> small-scale >>> work unless you're willing to pay well over the market rate... >> Same here. The once-mighty American manufacturing industry is all >> but dead. It's pretty sad. Now China owns our asses. > > As to USB connectors.... I'm 99% sure that Keystone and Switchcraft > are still made in the USA. A wide variety of more industrial (not > so much consumer) plugs and jacks are still made in the USA by other > respected names, too. > > Tim. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 10:53:17 -0400 > From: "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <rtellason at verizon.net> > Subject: *NEW* C64! > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <201104091053.17812.rtellason at verizon.net> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii > > heh... > > > http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-nyt > > -- > Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and > ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can > be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet > Masters" > - > Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. > --James > M Dakin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 08:43:32 -0700 > From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> > Subject: Re: *NEW* C64! > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <4DA01C34.14866.36E9DC at cclist.sydex.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > >> heh... >> >> >> http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-n >> yt > > I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to > shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot... > > To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It > looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the > original C64. > > So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked > inside? > > --Chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 12:13:54 -0400 > From: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: *NEW* C64! > To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <BLU139-W35EC7C1E7F15B806E3F5ECC9A60 at phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > first of all, its vaporware - doesn't exist yet (taking orders does > not > mean product). > secondly, just because it looks like a c64, doesn't make it a c64 > its a PC running emulation software and cannot read or write real c64 > disks > either 1581 or 1541and you couldn't connect such a drive and make it > work. > why not just buy a mini pc for $100-$300 and run the emulation > software > yourself? > oh, yeah it wouldn't look like a c64? ok, paint it. > anyone who buys one of these is a moron ;) > >> From: cclist at sydex.com >> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:43:32 -0700 >> Subject: Re: *NEW* C64! >> >> On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >> >>> heh... >>> >>> >>> http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-n >>> yt >> >> I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to >> shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot... >> >> To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It >> looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the >> original C64. >> >> So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked >> inside? >> >> --Chuck >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:05:53 -0500 > From: Tom <a50mhzham at gmail.com> > Subject: Quantum leap in disk storage discovered! > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <4da08602.015de70a.014e.7372 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Way off topic, sorry, just couldn't resist. > > News from our fellow IT industry workers in > Russia: The chinese have invented a disk drive > that allows you to write an infinite amount of > data to it! Discovered by a Russian engineer. Be > sure to click the 2nd picture for a close-up look > at this amazing new technology. > > http://blog.jitbit.com/2011/04/chinese-magic-drive.html > > > > > > 298 . [Literature] The secret to success as a > short story writer is to find the guy who built > Kuttner's (and later Silverberg's) water-cooled typewriter :) > --Ahasuerus > NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) > "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON > FACEBOOK > 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc > LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician > ? Registered Linux User 385531 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 12:39:31 -0400 > From: "Curt @ Atari Museum" <curt at atarimuseum.com> > Subject: Re: *NEW* C64! > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <4DA08BC3.5040905 at atarimuseum.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > It may have to be a little different in the dimensions to accomodate > the > Mini ITX motherboard that is inside of it. Its a great idea, but > the pricing seems very high. > > > > > Chuck Guzis wrote: >> On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >> >> >>> heh... >>> >>> >>> http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-n >>> yt >>> >> >> I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to >> shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot... >> >> To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It >> looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the >> original C64. >> >> So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked >> inside? >> >> --Chuck >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:48:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> > Subject: Re: *NEW* C64! > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <201104091648.p39GmCi9014988 at floodgap.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >> I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to >> shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot... > > I'd rather have the Chameleon. Neat, and isn't vapourware. > > -- > ------------------------------------ personal: > http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- > Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * > ckaiser at floodgap.com > -- Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. -- Oscar > Wilde > ---- > > > End of cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 20 > **************************************

15 years

Data recovery on 8" System/36 diskettes

by ceby2＠csc.com

All -- Wondered if I could pick your collective brains. I'm helping a museum to recover data and software off 8" System/36 diskettes. The first batch is a DFU dataset. I've also got all the reference material I need on DFU and system utilities. But as I don't have PC Support/36 program media, I'm going to have to do this from a PC running an 8" driver rather than natively. To that end I've gathered up references to the IBM 2D disk format and a workstation where we're setting up a Catweasel controller and Shugart 8" drive. I'm aware of a number of utilities for forensics and disk control. Has anyone done this particular combination before? developed scripts? made cwfloppy modules for decoding the format? Any suggestions and guidance would be welcome. I'd also love to find a copy of PC Support/36 so that theoretically we could natively copy the files using 5250 workstation emulation. There is a 5362 system available to rebuild, and I have the SSP media to do the job. I also have an IBM P70 with a 5250 emulator card and software which could be used as the PC workstation, but I'm not aware of a source for this particular application media. Thanks, Colin Eby |------------> | From: | |------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |cctalk-request at classiccmp.org | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | To: | |------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |cctalk at classiccmp.org | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Date: | |------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |09/04/2011 18:00 | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |------------> | Subject: | |------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 20 | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Send cctalk mailing list submissions to cctalk at classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctalk-request at classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT: Incandescent lamps get a reprieve, possiblly (Curt @ Atari Museum) 2. Re: Advice on Lisa 2 restoration (John Robertson) 3. DEC docs and machines available, Suffolk, UK (Adrian Graham) 4. New rsync mirroring at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) 5. Re: US manufacturing (was OT: Incandescent lamps get a reprieve, possiblly) (Tim Shoppa) 6. *NEW* C64! (Roy J. Tellason, Sr.) 7. Re: *NEW* C64! (Chuck Guzis) 8. RE: *NEW* C64! (Dan Gahlinger) 9. Quantum leap in disk storage discovered! (Tom) 10. Re: *NEW* C64! (Curt @ Atari Museum) 11. Re: *NEW* C64! (Cameron Kaiser) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 01:26:35 -0400 From: "Curt @ Atari Museum" <curt at atarimuseum.com> Subject: Re: OT: Incandescent lamps get a reprieve, possiblly To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4D9FEE0B.4070009 at atarimuseum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have a bunch of desktop reflow ovens for assembly, the CFL's do NOT like them at all, they all start to rapidly dim during the HEAT process of the ovens, not sure - must be a lot of noise or something, the ovens are on a different circuit so its not a voltage drain. Philip Pemberton wrote: > On 09/04/11 01:38, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote: >> I have my plastics for my joysticks done out of Indiana, my PCB's from a >> firm in Utah, I source my IC's and components from Mouser. The only >> things I can't get here in the US are my custom silicon contact parts, >> there is no money in them, so nobody seems to want to do them and I >> can't find anyone in the US that actually MAKES, not sells USB cables, >> all the companies source them in from China, so I buy those direct. >> >> All of the assembly is done here in NY and shipped. > > Unfortunately it seems most of the UK manufacturing companies have > gone bust, and the few who are left aren't really interested in > small-scale work unless you're willing to pay well over the market > rate... > > The Eurocircuits boards were fairly reasonably priced, and much better > quality than the Gold Phoenix boards -- the soldermask is lighter, but > WAY thicker and tougher. On some of the early prototypes (before I > perfected the reflow profile) the soldermask started to split and > crack around the FPGA. > > Curiously enough, I never had that problem with the Eurocircuits > boards, even with the "omigosh it's burning!" reflow profile. Neither > board type took well to being pre-baked, though -- it's a pretty easy > way to oxidise the plating. Fixing that mess was great fun and > involved a bottle of metal polish, two bottles of PCB cleaner and one > of those brown rubber PCB cleaning blocks... > > Ick. Not gonna do that again. > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:47:57 -0700 From: John Robertson <pinball at telus.net> Subject: Re: Advice on Lisa 2 restoration To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4D9F747D.9000701 at telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Steven Hirsch wrote: > Hi, > > I have two Lisa 2s in my possession that both exhibit serious > corrision from battery leakage. One is simply bad, the other is about > the worst such situation I've ever laid eyes on. > > I was able to remove the battery packs to halt the degradation, but > before I make a bad situation worse I thought I'd ask for some advice > on how to proceed. > > I'm also trying to work out what the units might be worth. The deal > with the seller is that I'm free to evaluate their condition and > attempt to get one working unit out of the two. Assuming a nominally > functional Lisa 2 with functional 10MB ProFile and fair cosmetic > condition, what do folks think is a fair price for that unit (the > owner wants whatever is left back, functioning or not)? > > Prices on eBay are really all over the map, so that's not of much help. > > Steve > > Depending on the type of rechargable battery used in your Lisa you should consider doing something to avoid corrosion on the circuit boards. I wrote a page on dealing with batteries for Pinballs and Jukeboxes, but the info applies to anything that is battery powered. http://flippers.com/battery.html If the battery was Ni-Cad, then the stuff that leaked out was an alkalye (base) and should be neutralized with a mild acid (white vinegar & h20 50/50) then rinsed and dried thoroughly. You really want to deal with this sooner, rather than later... John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 00:01:34 +0100 From: Adrian Graham <witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> Subject: DEC docs and machines available, Suffolk, UK To: "Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Cc: chris bailey <chr15bailey at yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <C9C5525E.2FBC3%witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Folks, Please see this email from Chris Bailey and reply directly to him if interested. There's some really nice stuff in this collection of largely docs and maintenance spares, but also some VAXstations, cables (mostly serial BC03M/BC22D and thinwire), diagnostic floppies, VAX TU58s, a microfiche reader with quite a few fiches, and entire box of spare LS74 type chips, a bag of what looks like drive belts, rack kits for BA35x shelves, 2 BA23 backplanes, 3 boxes of 115v fans etc. I can go back and hold things for a while for interested parties but I have limited space myself these days :/ Some pix: (all between 300-600kb jpg) http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul01.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul02.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul03.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul04.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul05.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul06.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul07.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul08.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul09.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul10.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul11.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul12.jpg http://f0p.co.uk/DEChaul13.jpg There's a cutoff date of 21st April since Chris doesn't live where the kit currently is, also there's more VAX docs and probably other spares up in the loft of the house that haven't been discovered yet. Note I've already picked up the Pro350s (well, 2 Pro350s and one VAX Console) because I don't have one and I know someone else who is looking for one. Cheers, and please help save this collection! -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection? Message from chris bailey (chr15bailey at yahoo.co.uk) on April 7th, 2011 at 01:27PM (BST). Hi, Im emailing you to see if you are interested in a load of vintage Digital Equipment Corporation computers etc. My dad has now passed away, but he was a DEC engineer for 20+years. He amassesd a whole load of DEC computers bits when he retired. We are now clearing out the garage but are not sure what to do with all this computer stuff, and just thought we'd see if anyone wants any of it before throwing it out. Here is a brief list of whats in the garage. TZ85 BA350 MA (X3) VAXSTATION 3100 (X2) VS42A-SN (X2) DEC PRO 350 (X3) LN08-A3-SN (LAZER PRINTER) RZ55-F3 (X2) TK50Z-63 HZ821-00 (dismantled state) V3201 (small monitor) VR297D3 (Big monitor) SC01-E (microfiche reader + inc microfiches) MICROVAX II (large) There are numerous boxes of manuals,disks, cables,circuit boards etc. A quick reply would be appreciated if you would like to have any of this, otherwise it will go to the tip. We live not far from Ipswich (Martlesham Heath) in Suffolk. Regards. Chris Bailey. ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:10:12 -0400 From: shoppa at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Subject: New rsync mirroring at trailing-edge.com To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <20110409131013.045771E02A8 at mini-me.trailing-edge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last weekend I promised to enable rsync access to the archives (and mirrors) here. I've set up the following rsync (no password required) archive sets here: ftp : Public rsync access to ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/ area pdp-10-tape-images : public rsync access to the PDP-10 tape images, i.e. http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ bitsavers-mirror : public rsync access to my local bitsavers mirror, i.e. http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/ Suggested rsync commands would be, for example: mkdir ./pdp-10-tape-images rsync -rlptu -v www.trailing-edge.com::pdp-10-tape-images ./pdp-10-tape-images mkdir ./ftp.trailing-edge.com rsync -rlptu -v www.trailing-edge.com::ftp ./ftp.trailing-edge.com mkdir ./bitsavers-mirror rsync -rlptu -v www.trailing-edge.com::bitsavers-mirror ./bitsavers-mirror Realistically the pdp-10-tape-images and ftp sites don't change often, butm my bitsavers mirror is kept up to date. I like to think my outgoing bandwidth (20 Mbit) is pretty much infinite, this looks like a good way to find out :-) ftp racks up to 3.5 Gbytes. PDP-10 tapes racks up to 2.2 Gbytes. And bitsavers-mirror racks up to 126 Gbytes. Tim. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 10:03:22 -0400 From: shoppa at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Subject: Re: US manufacturing (was OT: Incandescent lamps get a reprieve, possiblly) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <20110409140322.D34571E02A4 at mini-me.trailing-edge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> I can't find anyone in the US that actually MAKES, not sells USB cables, >>> all the companies source them in from China, so I buy those direct. > >> Unfortunately it seems most of the UK manufacturing companies have gone >> bust, and the few who are left aren't really interested in small-scale >> work unless you're willing to pay well over the market rate... > Same here. The once-mighty American manufacturing industry is all >but dead. It's pretty sad. Now China owns our asses. As to USB connectors.... I'm 99% sure that Keystone and Switchcraft are still made in the USA. A wide variety of more industrial (not so much consumer) plugs and jacks are still made in the USA by other respected names, too. Tim. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 10:53:17 -0400 From: "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <rtellason at verizon.net> Subject: *NEW* C64! To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <201104091053.17812.rtellason at verizon.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii heh... http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-nyt -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 08:43:32 -0700 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: *NEW* C64! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4DA01C34.14866.36E9DC at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > heh... > > http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-n > yt I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot... To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the original C64. So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked inside? --Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 12:13:54 -0400 From: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> Subject: RE: *NEW* C64! To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <BLU139-W35EC7C1E7F15B806E3F5ECC9A60 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" first of all, its vaporware - doesn't exist yet (taking orders does not mean product). secondly, just because it looks like a c64, doesn't make it a c64 its a PC running emulation software and cannot read or write real c64 disks either 1581 or 1541and you couldn't connect such a drive and make it work. why not just buy a mini pc for $100-$300 and run the emulation software yourself? oh, yeah it wouldn't look like a c64? ok, paint it. anyone who buys one of these is a moron ;) > From: cclist at sydex.com > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:43:32 -0700 > Subject: Re: *NEW* C64! > > On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > heh... > > > > http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-n > > yt > > I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to > shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot... > > To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It > looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the > original C64. > > So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked > inside? > > --Chuck > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:05:53 -0500 From: Tom <a50mhzham at gmail.com> Subject: Quantum leap in disk storage discovered! To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <4da08602.015de70a.014e.7372 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Way off topic, sorry, just couldn't resist. News from our fellow IT industry workers in Russia: The chinese have invented a disk drive that allows you to write an infinite amount of data to it! Discovered by a Russian engineer. Be sure to click the 2nd picture for a close-up look at this amazing new technology. http://blog.jitbit.com/2011/04/chinese-magic-drive.html 298 . [Literature] The secret to success as a short story writer is to find the guy who built Kuttner's (and later Silverberg's) water-cooled typewriter :) --Ahasuerus NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User 385531 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 12:39:31 -0400 From: "Curt @ Atari Museum" <curt at atarimuseum.com> Subject: Re: *NEW* C64! To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4DA08BC3.5040905 at atarimuseum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It may have to be a little different in the dimensions to accomodate the Mini ITX motherboard that is inside of it. Its a great idea, but the pricing seems very high. Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 9 Apr 2011 at 10:53, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > >> heh... >> >> http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-n >> yt >> > > I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to > shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot... > > To my eye, the proportions of the thing don't look quite right. It > looks quite a bit "thicker" (i.e. vertical dimension) than the > original C64. > > So what's next? A S/360-40 lookalike with a P4 motherboard tucked > inside? > > --Chuck > > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> Subject: Re: *NEW* C64! To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <201104091648.p39GmCi9014988 at floodgap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > I wonder how many support calls they'll get when customers try to > shove old 5.25" C64 floppies into the CD slot... I'd rather have the Chameleon. Neat, and isn't vapourware. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. -- Oscar Wilde ---- End of cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 20 **************************************

15 years

free 3600 lisp machine, two 14" disks, spare boards

by brad＠heeltoe.com

I'm slightly downsizing my office space and need to get rid of my 3600. It's free for the taking. I am in Arlington Massachusetts (USA). This is a Symbolics 3600 lisp machine. The original 3600 design. Huge circuit boards. 36 bit memory. A gigantic fan. Cool red LED nano-fep. One of the coolest microcoded machines I've ever seen. And it runs off 110VAC. It's very heavy. The CPU cabinet is about the size of a large refrigerator. The two 14" disks are mounted in a DEC 1/2 height rack with no sides. The SMD disks have 14" platters and clear plastic tops. It used to work fine but I have turned it on in a few years. I have a full set of spare boards. I think I even have a color board and paddle. I think it has Genera 7.2 on it, but I'm not sure. It booted fine last time I turned it on. To me it is a thing of beauty, but I'm just not table to store it anymore and I have a 3640 and XL1200 which are much easier to care for (and much easier to move :-) Anyone want a piece of history? If so show up with a truck and at least 2 hefty guys and it's yours. Both cabinets are on wheels. Batteries not included. -brad Brad Parker Heeltoe Consulting 781-483-3101 http://www.heeltoe.com

15 years

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15 years

Quantum leap in disk storage discovered!

by shoppa＠trailing-edge.com

> Way off topic, sorry, just couldn't resist. In fact not off-topic at all, because this technology existed nearly 40 years ago. > News from our fellow IT industry workers in > Russia: The chinese have invented a disk drive > that allows you to write an infinite amount of > data to it! Discovered by a Russian engineer. Be > sure to click the 2nd picture for a close-up look > at this amazing new technology. > http://blog.jitbit.com/2011/04/chinese-magic-drive.html The Chinese are way way late to this invention. Signetics had this area perfectly well covered in 1974 with the 25120 Fully Encoded, 9046xN, Random Access Write-Only-Memory. It was such an achievement that you can even read about it in Bob Pease's part of the NatSemi website: http://www.national.com/rap/Story/WOMorigin.html Tim.

15 years

cctalk Digest, Vol 92, Issue 17 [Borland manuals going up on Bitsavers!]

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

> From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> > Subject: Re: difference between Quick compilers > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <4D9E04EA.9030606 at bitsavers.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 4/6/11 6:14 PM, Chris M wrote: > > > Any Borland/Turbo fans still out there? > > > > I've been working on getting all the Borland manuals from the 80's up on > bitsavers. THANK YOU!

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