December 2011 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by david＠classiccomputing.com

Everyone, Please have a listen when you can. I'm working on part 2 this evening. Let me know what you think of the interview, and hope you'll check out the whole thing! http://bit.ly/tmoDTL Best, David Greelish, Computer Historian President, Atlanta Historical Computing Society Classic Computing The Home of Computer History Nostalgia http://www.classiccomputing.com Classic Computing Blog Retro Computing Roundtable podcast "Stan Veit's History of the Personal Computer" audiobook podcast Classic Computing Show video podcast

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4x16K Datacraft core memory rack units available

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

> > These are general purpose core that can be used in more than just the > > Burroughs minis they came from. ?I know for example that a rack like this > > could be used with an S-100 computer or 8008 system. > >What Burroughs minis? 6000 series I assume, specifically I was told these came from a prototype system (?) from the early 1970's, and were then surplused after light use. I don't have confirmation on that. They could be used in a PDP 11/45 (?), IBM 3179, and I know first-hand that they can be adapted for use in a microprocessor system as others of this same model were used in a 8008 system (I think) homebrew project or two that I have seen. Late core-era adaptable memory. If I get more info I will let you know. I still have at least one partial rack available if anyone is interested contact me directly. Bill

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Infocom and DECUS Mini-Tasker

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

> Way back in 1980, Infocom posted an ad in the September 1980 issue of > the DECUS Mini-Tasker (the DECUS RT-11 SIG newsletter). This was the > first ad the Infocom ever produced and I'd like to get a scan of it > for the book. > Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anyone who kept this > newsletter. I've contacted a number of people in the DEC community > but still no luck. Someone pointed me to this forum and said there > might be someone here who could help. John Dundas has this up on the web at: http://dundas-mac.caltech.edu/~dundas/retro/DEC%20Docs/DECUS/mini-tasker/mt… You want the bottom of page 47. Tim.

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HP1000 Tape Drive Interface

by etienne＠tlabs.ac.za

Hi All, In light of the wonderful cache of HP1000 software available now, and not having any way to load it onto the machine I have to put my request in again. I need a 13181B interface set for the tape drive. I'm happy to pay and cover shipping to South Africa. I also have a 13183 set to swap if someone is interested. Etienne Vermeulen

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SD 8" Altos disk writing problems

by g-wright＠att.net

Well I got around to setting up another computer with a Buslogic Bt-542B SCSI controller. It uses a DP 8473 floppy controller. Using Image Disk, it reads the Altos disk with out errors, but chokes on writing one. I get write Error No Sector on every sector. Drive is a Tandon TM848 E, tried another of the same drives with the same results. Of coarse I tried a few new floppies. The SD test program says the controller can work with SD disks. Any Ideas ?? - Jerry Jerry Wright g-wright @att.net

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4x16K Datacraft core memory rack units available

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

4x16K Datacraft core memory rack units available (the 5th slot in the rack is for the controller) with Datacraft DC-38 Core and associated power supply, contact me privately if interested. Photos: http://www.vintagecomputer.net/datacraft/ (I believe I have it right that they're 4 x16K cores.) These are general purpose core that can be used in more than just the Burroughs minis they came from. I know for example that a rack like this could be used with an S-100 computer or 8008 system. The photo of the individual core card with the cover removed is an extra, not part of the populated racks. I am located in Landenberg, PA USA roughly between Baltimore and Philadelphia. Bill

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Infocom and DECUS Mini-Tasker

by rickthornquist＠gmail.com

Hi All - I'm writing a book about Infocom and I'm looking for your help finding something. Way back in 1980, Infocom posted an ad in the September 1980 issue of the DECUS Mini-Tasker (the DECUS RT-11 SIG newsletter). This was the first ad the Infocom ever produced and I'd like to get a scan of it for the book. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anyone who kept this newsletter. I've contacted a number of people in the DEC community but still no luck. Someone pointed me to this forum and said there might be someone here who could help. Does anyone here have this newsletter? If not, do you know of someone who might? If anyone could help me out with this I'd very much appreciate it. Thanks! - Rick Thornquist

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A Yuletide dilemma

by lproven＠gmail.com

Over Yule dinner, a friend offered me a free computer. Not really vintage by CCtalk standards, I guess. A dual-core 2GHz G5 Mac Pro. The thing is, I am considering getting rid of my PowerPC OS X Macs. I like OS X very much, but despite Cameron's valiant efforts with the very nifty TenFourFox, it's running out of current browsers and it only runs a version of Mac OS X that's now 2 releases out of date. As a writing tool, a G3 with MacOS 9.2 on it would almost be more use, as it makes no pretence of being a current machine and one wouldn't expect most modern websites to work... I am torn. I'd love it, but I'm not sure I really have any use for it, and I'm short on space and already paring back the collection... :?( -- Liam Proven ? Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven ? MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? ICQ: 73187508

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Was SC/MP kit PDF, now SDK-51 manuals.

by wrm＠retro.co.za

Hi all >From: Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> > >Steve, it wasn't too much work. Not as bad as scanning the SDK-51 manuals >with my manual feed flatbed scanner. I have here the SDK-51 Assembly Manual, which I was planning to scan since http://manx.classiccmp.org/details.php/47,13105 says it's not online. If it is actually online, save me the trouble? Also, the actual document is available for postage (from South Africa). W

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A Yuletide dilemma

by james＠attfield.co.uk

> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:07:11 -0800 > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: A Yuletide dilemma > Message-ID: <p06240807cb1ffde2b64a(a)[192.168.1.199]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" --- 8< --- > Right now it's running Adobe Bridge, Photoshop, Lightroom, InDesign, > and Acrobat as well as Phase One's Capture One, and a few other > things. My performance issues are strictly related to RAM and Disk > I/O. Actually the main performance problem is these **** HD's that > go to sleep on their own when not being used, and there doesn't seem > to be a way to turn off that behavior! > > Zane --- 8< --- Presumably un-checking 'Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible' in the 'Energy Saver' control panel doesn't have the desire effect? Jim

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Compaq Portable III

by jws＠jwsss.com

I just spotted a Compaq portable 3 in a 1980 "flashback" scene of Psych. A useless observation, it had the expansion bay on the back. "Psych" High Top Fade Out (2009) Season 4 episode 7 There appeared to be something like a Commodore 64 driving a display on camera. the CP3 was not powered on. Not sure if anyone here had anything to do with a loan or elsewhere, or if the film company owned it. Jim

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CP/M disk format: need help

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:39:36 -0500 (EST) From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: CP/M disk format: need help Message-ID: <201112290539.AAA15251 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Here what 22disk tell me: >> http://elazzerini.interfree.it/Foto2982.jpg >A picture taken square-on without flash would have been substantially >easier to read - hint, hint, for anyone taking such pictures. ---------------- Capturing the text with a terminal program and pasting it into the email would be even easier... Sheesh... m

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Can you read rx02 or rl02 disks ??

by system11＠bigpond.com

To all, Happy New Year and good luck in 2011. Being new to this site, I have some requests for help. Question 1. Anyone with a working pdp-11 with rx02, I have some diskettes I wish to recover data and programs from for use with Robert Supnik's pdp-11 emulator, can you make a disk image suitable for above to email me. I am happy to pay you to do this and return the floppies to me. Question 2. As above but 4x RL02 cartridges, but if you can get the images, you can keep the disks. If you have both rx02 and rl02 would save time and postage. For those fussy about copyrights I have valid licenses and full documentation for RT-11, TSX+ and S&H Cobol, but unfortunately no longer have a machine to read them. (Hindsight is marvellous) Thanks in anticipation, Royce Smith Southern Highlands, New South Wales Australia system11 at bigbond.com

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Where to get VXT software?

by james＠slor.net

I have a DEC VXT 2000 that I would like to try out, but I don't have the software to host for it to load up the X environment across the network. Anyone know where I might still obtain the bits? Looks like the last version *may* have been v2.1g? Thanks! James

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Wanted: X/PEX terminals

by legalize＠xmission.com

The recent discussion of VXT2000 reminded me of X/PEX terminals. I'm looking for X Window System terminals, particularly early NCD models before they switched to using PC keyboards. I have several NCD 19s, see right hand side of this photo: <http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/cgm/sprawl4/dsc_0608.jpg> However, I don't have any of the color X terminals from NCD for that period. Also, I have *no* PEX terminals and this would be a very welcome addition to the collection of the computer graphics history museum. I have a number of small box type X terminals from NCD, Tektronix and IIRC even an HP branded one. They are from late in the X terminal marketplace where they all had become fairly identical: small rectangular boxes to which you attached a PS/2 keyboard and mouse and a VGA monitor. I can post a list of the exact inventory in the museum's collection if that will help avoid duplicates. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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FW: [N8VEM-S100:575] S-100 8086 Up and Runing

by LYNCHAJ＠YAHOO.COM

Hi, Good news on the S-100 8086 CPU board. First confirmed working installation "in the field" AFAIK. If we've gotten this far, I think demonstrating a working CP/M-86 will be along shortly. John already has CP/M-86+ running in the lab. http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/8086%20Board/8086%20CPU%20Board .htm Thanks and have a nice day! Andrew Lynch -----Original Message----- From: n8vem-s100 at googlegroups.com [mailto:n8vem-s100 at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Elsid Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:43 AM To: N8VEM-S100 Subject: [N8VEM-S100:575] S-100 8086 Up and Runing Hi and Seasons Greatings. All the best to everyone and their families. I've just completed my S-100 8086 board. See photos at: http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=8086 Everything went smoothly except a missing K8 jumper 1-2 gave me some grief for a while. I have a V30 CPU and a 24MHz oscillator (8MHz clock) without any problems. I'll try 10MHz next when I get a crystal. Next step is to get CPM86 and MSDOS going. Thanks for another great board John and Andrew. Leon

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SC/MP kit PDF

by sttaylor＠charter.net

Any body know where I can find a PDF of the SC/MP Kit User's Manual or the Actual Manual National Semiconductor Pub# 4200113A SteveInSoCal

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CP/M disk format: need help

by ajp166＠verizon.net

On 12/27/2011 01:40 PM, Enrico Lazzerini wrote: > Well this is all i know: > > 8" > > STAT d:DSK: > > > 9600 > > r: 128 Byte Record Capacity > > Thats 1.28mb! Not many system used that and some like DEC RX02, Intel MDS DD were not MFM ( both were unique oddbal that most FDCs do not read). > 1200 > > k: Kilobyte Drive Capacity > > > 128 > > d: 32 Byte Directory Entries > > > 128 > > c: Checked Directory Entries > > > 128 > > e: Records/ Extent > > > 16 > > b: Records/ Block > > > 64 > > s: Sectors/ Track > > What format are you trying to achieve?? Looks vaguely like Morrow DD. > 2 > > t: Reserved 'rracks > > 2 > > SIDES > > > This is that I calculate: > > BEGIN SCO2 (1024 bytes/sector) - DSDD 8" > > > DENSITY MFM ,HIGH > > > CYLINDERS 77 SIDES 1 SECTORS 8,1024 > > > SIDE1 0 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 > > > SIDE2 0 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 > Likely does not start with sector 0, that is unlikely due to the bit pattern and how DD controllers work. Besides 0 though 9 enumerates 10 objects, not 8. > ORDER CYLINDERS > > > BSH 4 BLM 15 EXM 3 DSM 599 DRM 127 AL0 0C0H AL1 0 OFS 2 > Looks about right. There is no skew applied as you show it. If skew is wrong reading the directory is impossible and you get trash if anything at all. Allison > END > > > > Here what 22disk tell me: > > > > http://elazzerini.interfree.it/Foto2982.jpg > > > > Where I'm wrong? > > > > Thanks for any suggestion. > > Enrico > >

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Merry Newtonsday

by alex＠cheltscum.co.uk

Merry Christmas tony. May all you capacitors be within tolerance. ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: >Merry Newtonsday, Christmas, Winter Solstice, Yule, and anything else you >chose to celebrate [1] to members of this list and their families. I hope >you have a pleasant holiday and still maange to get some classic >computing done. > >[1] And Halloween for those of you who can't remember if you're missing 2 >fingers. > >-tony >

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CP/M disk format: need help

by enrico.lazzerini＠tiscali.it

Well this is all i know: 8" STAT d:DSK: 9600 r: 128 Byte Record Capacity 1200 k: Kilobyte Drive Capacity 128 d: 32 Byte Directory Entries 128 c: Checked Directory Entries 128 e: Records/ Extent 16 b: Records/ Block 64 s: Sectors/ Track 2 t: Reserved 'rracks 2 SIDES This is that I calculate: BEGIN SCO2 (1024 bytes/sector) - DSDD 8" DENSITY MFM ,HIGH CYLINDERS 77 SIDES 1 SECTORS 8,1024 SIDE1 0 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 SIDE2 0 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 ORDER CYLINDERS BSH 4 BLM 15 EXM 3 DSM 599 DRM 127 AL0 0C0H AL1 0 OFS 2 END Here what 22disk tell me: http://elazzerini.interfree.it/Foto2982.jpg Where I'm wrong? Thanks for any suggestion. Enrico

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rl02 disks for cheap on ebay

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

spoted this under the miss labeled as rlo2 instead of rl02 anyhow i nabbed 2 theres 8 left of the 10 avail for 9.50 each ebay auction number 330656553200 thought u guys like to know

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Software wish list

by g-wright＠att.net

Hi, All I'm back at the grind trying to find a few old OS's The first is for my TEK DPO (WP 1210 Digital processing scope ) this is a 7704a scope with a P7001 Digital processor that connects to a DEC PDP 11/05 . It runs on TEK Basic (8" floppy or DEC tape}.. The official name is "TEK SPS Basic V02" There is also a system test disk. This uses a TEK 4010 Terminal for a display. The second is a Pertec Mini ?? coax system 4010 Don't know much about it other than it used coax to the dumb terminals instead of Serial.. (1/4 " Tape) The third is a OMS Zues 4 I beleive it ran cpm or mpm (5 1/4 disk) The forth is a Tek 4051. looking for the Tape images. The fifth is a Tek 4404 computer. Looking for the disks (5 1/4 floppy) I can handle most image files. Or would gladly pay for a Disk or tape. If I missed somewhere online, point me in the right direction Thanks, for reading this Jerry Jerry Wright JLC inc g-wright at att.net

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FS: HP-85 + HP9121 and more

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

Before I put it on the auction site. I've for sale a HP-85 with a QIC40/80 modified tape drive including: ROM drawer with : 1 Matrix ROM 1 Mass Storage ROM 1 Input/Output ROM 1 Printer/Plotter ROM 1 Advance programming ROM 16 K RAM module HP-IB module HP 9121 double 3.5 disc drive 2 QIC40/80 tapes (1 empty, 1 containing the Standard software) 2 3.5 inch disc's (NOS) 1 Carrying box (brown skai) If necessary a complete manual set on CD/DVD It is a complete set for who wants to start with the HP-85. I acquired the HP-85 a few weeks ago checked it and converted the tape drive to QIC40/80 replaced the printer timing belts and some elco's. The computer is clean but a bit yellowed, the HP 9121 drive is cleaned and all hardened grease is removed so it is fully functional. I'm open for offers, the items are located in the Netherlands but I ship worldwide, local pickup is also possible. I'm not doing this to get big money but I want to earn a little to acquire other HP-stuff for my collection and find it fun to restore old HP equipment. Please react off-list at hp-fix_at_xs4all_dot_nl -Rik

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Imaging a TK50 across the network

by sander.reiche＠gmail.com

Hi all, It is probably asked before, but I can't seem to find it in the archives. I have a MicroPDP up & running 2.11BSD but no spare TK50 tapes to make a backup of it, before I f*ck it all up :) I do have a lot of TK50s which weren't mine and they have data on it of which I do not know the status. They came with a MV3100 with VMS on it, which I am going to use eventually as well. So I'm not really willing to just scrap the data on those tapes. I'd like to make a backup-image of those across the LAN before I write anything else on it. How do you guys usually do it? # tcopy /dev/rmt0 to see what's on it # dd if=/dev/rmt0 bs=??? | rsh other_current_bsdmachine_with_lots_of_diskspace -l <user> dd of=vms_tape_file?.img bs=??? for every file on there? I didn't even know `dd' wouldn't cross EOF boundaries tbh (wasted my youth on C64s and Amigas :)). -- ~ UNIX is basically a simple operating system, ? ? ? ? ? ?but you have to be a genius to understand its simplicity. ~ dmr

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CP/M: How to use old dischette?

by elazzerini＠interfree.it

Hi all, The reason why I'm interested in this topic is that I recently restored a Ferguson Bigboard I with its CP/M 60K. I'd like to try different programs that are contained in third parts diskettes, but they are of course in a different formats. I am using ANADISK to identify the format and sequence of sectors on disks and 22disk133 to try to read them correctly. Despite having read the definitions of the FCB manual on CP / M, I am finding difficulty in : 1) to determine the block size chosen for different disks; 2) Identify the value AL0 Unfortunately it seems that any further calculation is dependent on the size of the block that would seem a prior undetectable, and i'd need to try different values (starting from 1024,2048,4096 and 8192). Is it in this way? Some format i'd like to determinate: A xerox SWP diskette: SSDD 9,1024 sectors sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 A MK-83 diskette: DSDD 8,1024 sectors sequence 1,4,7,2,5,8,3,6 Thanks for any helpful hint. Enrico - Pisa - Italy

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Tandata TD1100 dialer

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

It took me a lot of work to discover this information, and I am not sure why it's so cryptic. But anyway... Some time ago I mentioned I had a Tandata TD1100 viewdata set on the bench. At power-on you get a dialing menu, the numbers for which are clearly stored in the battery-backed RAM. Dialing a number from the menu was easy (<menu number>#, for example 2#). But I could not find out how to stroe numbers in the menu, everything I tried got 'Please Try Again'. I am not suprised I didn't find the right sequesnce by trial and error. It is clearly designed to be impossible to get by accident. I fianlly found it by readign otu the firmware ROM (it is socketed, but I can assure you that desolderign a 24 pin DIL chip would have been trivial compared to the rest of it), writing a quick-and-dirty disassmbler for 6502 code (soemthing that took me most of yesterday (Newtonsday) afternoon [1]), and then going through the lisitng. [1] This would ahev been a lot easier if the 6502 data sheet I'd been workign from handn't been written by a boatie. There's a nice 16*16 table of the nmemonics, the rows and columns being numbered from 0-F. It turns out that the _rows_ are the most significant nybble, in other words you read it across, not down. The lables indicating this are in tiny type in one corner, and I missed them. So I had to move my table of mnemonics aroudn a bit. ARGH! My first guess, which turned out to be correct, is that it would use CMP instructions to identify wheter a typed character was 'acceptable' or not. So I searched the listing for these, and found a sequence of CMPs which seemed to do the right thing. I then spent some time figuring out what that routine does, and I finally got the sequence to load a number into the dialer menu. It is : Turn on 'program mode' with the switch on the back first and type : <menu position>*****<Number to dial># For exxaple 2*****123456# will store 123456 into the second position of the menu. Note that it's 5 '*'s. No fewer (or you get an error), no more (or you get spaces at the start of the number in the menu. If you do not turn on program mode, the entry is ignroed -- no error message. -tony

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QPro-4 for CP/M-80?

by snhirsch＠gmail.com

I had this years ago and found only the manuals in my archives. Does anyone have the diskettes or images for this program? I found an MS-DOS version on the web, but turned up nothing for CP/M. Steve --

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Test Message - Just to see if Classiccmp is alive

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

Test Message - Just to see if Classiccmp is alive

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S: schematics for russian I12 (MC4601) Interace Board

by holm＠freibergnet.de

searching schematics od russian PDP-11 Interface I12 Reply-To: holm at freibergnet.de Organization: FreibergNet Internet Services, TSHT Priority: normal X-Phone: +49-3731-74222 X-Mobile: +49-172-8790741 X-Fax: +49-3731-74200 Hope you all had a merry christmas with and santa bought nice things? Guys Im searching for the schematics of the russian I12 (MC4601) Interface board for their metric PDP11 Q-Bus machines. This card is something like an MXV11 w/o the memory, just 2 SLUs on this board. I have such a board here that must be repaired and I want to look to the schematics to steel parts of them for my K1801VM2 SBC... Can someone help please? I konw, that the shematics where postet on the russian narod.ru site but the link is dead now... Kind Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741

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unknown machine

by jonas＠otter.se

or something unusual for mains power; ISTR something somewhere that >> had a mains power frequency in the kHz, or at least hundreds of >> Hz....) >> > IIIRC, power line losses increas with frequency, so this would be >> > unusual to say the least. > I think it was something that, like a boat or airplane, is not part of > the large-scale power grid but which does have enough of a power > distribution system for it to be fair to call it "mains". > > But that memory is pretty fuzzy; I could be just plain misremembering. > Planes use 400 Hz. US Navy ships seem to use 450 and 120V 400 Hz for electronics and weapons systems and servicing aircraft. Presumably any other country's aircraft carriers also provide 400Hz power for the aircraft. /Jonas

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Looking for a copy of MicroPDP-11 Systems Maintenance Guide

by sander.reiche＠gmail.com

Hi all, Regarding the above topic from November this year, I was wondering if the mentioned guide (EK-MIC11-SG-001) was indeed uploaded to bitsavers eventually? If so, where can I find it? regards, Sander Reiche -- ~ UNIX is basically a simple operating system, ? ? ? ? ? ?but you have to be a genius to understand its simplicity. ~ dmr

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HP 1000 software collection

by aek＠bitsavers.org

J David Bryan organized the contents of the tapes that I've read over the past ten years. The software is available for non-commercial use under an agreement between CHM and HP. A huge thank you to Mr. Bryan for doing this, since I haven't had the time to organize it. There are over 75,000 files, around 2gb. It should be finished uploading later tonight. http://bitsavers.org/bits/HP/HP_1000_software_collection

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Michigan Timesharing System

by jeff.ogden＠umich.edu

On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 at 05:35:58 CST, Christian Corti wrote: > That's great! > Is there anywhere a list of supported hardware? I'm not very comfortable > with the idea of simulator-only software. I'd be interested to try it > some day on our 4331. MTS should work on a 4331. >From the MTS Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Terminal_System#Hardware_used): In theory MTS will run on the IBM S/360-67, any of the IBM S/370 series, and its successors. MTS has been run on the following computers in production, benchmarking, or trial configurations: ? IBM: S/360-67, S/370-148, S/370-168, 3033U, 4341, 4361, 4381, 3081D, 3081GX, 3083B, 3090-200, 3090-400, 3090-600, and ES/9000-720 ? Amdahl: 470V/6, 470V/7, 470V/8, 5860, 5870, 5990 ? Hitachi: NAS 9060 ? Various S/370 emulators All of the information that follows is included in the tar.gz archives available at Bitsavers.org. The D6.0 documentation has also been combined in a single PDF that is available on the MTS Archive at: http://archive.michigan-terminal-system.org/documentation/documents/MTSD6Do… Among other things the file D6.0-MTS-DOC.txt from April 1987 (a year prior to the release of D6.0) says: MTS is currently being run on the following computing systems: Amdahl 5860, 5870, 470V/8, IBM 3090-400 (with vector facility), 3081G, 3081D, 3033N, and 4361. In addition MTS has been tested on or was used for production on the following machines: Amdahl 470V/6, 470V/7, 5890, IBM 3033U, 370/148, 370/168, 370/158, 4341, and NAS 9060, and XL. The same file goes on to say: Machine Requirements MTS requires an IBM 370 compatible machine (including the 30xx machines) with at least two megabytes of memory and the following features: Floating Point Universal Instruction Set CPU-timer and Clock-Comparator Translation with 1M segments and 4K pages Conditional-Swapping PSW-Key-Handling Channel Indirect Addressing on all channels Clear I/O on all channels It will make use of the following features if they are available: Extended precision floating point Vector facility Direct control (limited use) Branch and Save Fast release on channels Invalidate Page Table Entry Common Segment Facility Other features are not used, unless user programs make use of them. The MTS file system normally uses IBM 3330 and/or 3350 compatible disks in any combination although it also supports older types of disks. MTS also provides support for the Xerox 9700 page printer, the Autologic APS-5 phototypesetter, and for both IBM and ANSI standard magnetic tape labeling/blocking and the normal IBM unit record equipment. >From D6.0-NEWSYS.txt: 1. The starter system requires a minimum of one 3270 terminal, one 3380 disk drive, and one 9-track tape drive. >From the D6.0-NOTES.txt: MTS can run under the 370 and 370-XA architectures. Under 370-XA, each task is limited to an address space of sixteen megabytes, but all real storage on the machine will be used to support virtual storage. MTS does not (yet) run run under IBM's ESA-370 architecture. MTS provides Named Address spaces, a facility similar to IBM's Discontiguous Saved Segment support under VM, to allow tasks to share preloaded programs and data. A program may be loaded into a Named Address Space (or NAS) at system IPL-time and then added to or deleted from a task's virtual storage as needed. MTS will use expanded storage as a high-speed cache to minimize I/O to DASDI. The cache is store-through; all writes go immediately to disk. However, disk reads will be satisfied from the cache if possible, thereby cutting down the number of real disk I operations required. Changed DASDI [in D6.0] to use "Read Device Characteristics" command to determine the size of the disk being formated. This gives us support for any disk supporting this command including: 3380s (Ds and Es have been tested; Js and Ks should work but have never been tested) CMS minidisks (untested) The old FBA disk support has been rejuvenated. MTS now supports internal 9370 disks (9335s have been tested; we have not tested 9332 support).

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Michigan Timesharing System

by jeff.ogden＠umich.edu

On Thu 22 Dec 2011 at 19:00:26 CST, Josh Dersch wrote: > Very cool! I have a set of MTS-related manuals from 1979, would they be > of any interest to you for archival purposes, assuming you don't already > have copies? > > (They are: "Digital Computing, FORTRAN IV, WATFIV, and MTS (with *FTN > and *WATFIV)" Parts 1 & 2 by Brice Carnahan and James O. Wilkes.) > > - Josh Al might like a copy to scan for the PDF archive at Bitsavers, but he can speak for himself. Scanned versions of the Caranahan and Wilkes book and a number of others related to the Michigan Terminal System (MTS) are already available online in the Hathi Trust Digital Library: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/mb?a=listis;c=1889583521 A more limited set of PDF documents that doesn't include the Caranahan and Wilkes book is available from U-M's Deep Blue digital archive and the PDF Archive at Bitsavers: http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/handle/2027.42/79570 http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/univOfMichigan/ The MTS PDFs in Deep Blue and at Bitsavers tend to be of a higher quality since they aren't scans of physical books. -Jeff

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Merry Newtonsday

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

Merry Newtonsday, Christmas, Winter Solstice, Yule, and anything else you chose to celebrate [1] to members of this list and their families. I hope you have a pleasant holiday and still maange to get some classic computing done. [1] And Halloween for those of you who can't remember if you're missing 2 fingers. -tony

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unknown machine

by paco.linux＠gmail.com

Any Idea ? (located in San Diego Supercomputer Center, fujitsu machines) http://oi39.tinypic.com/255pcn4.jpg -- |_|0|_| |_|_|0| ??? |0|0|0|

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Anyone have a case or memory for an HP 9000 712/60

by dm561＠torfree.net

---------Original message: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:52:32 +0100 From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 01:07:46 -0200 "Alexandre Souza - Listas" <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> wrote: >> AFAIK, the 712 uses common 486 (simm-72) memory > No. The HP9000/7xx SIMMs look, smell, taste like PeeCee RAM, but they are > different. You need the very special, propriatary HP9000 SIMMs for that > machine. Sometimes you just have to cut a trace or two and/or add a jumper or two; for example here's how to convert a standard SIMM for use in an HP LJ: www.keycruncher.com/blog/2003/12/14/making-standard-simm-s-work-memory-upgr… I did the same sort of mod to use standard SIMMs to expand memory in my Toshiba T3100e.

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IBM 5120, Datamaster (system 23) in FLA

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Neal wrote to me: >> I was a developer way back when and still have my 5120 & Sys 23. >> >> I'd like to find these relics a nice home instead of the landfill. >> They were painted funky colors (they look great - not the ugly grey) >> and were used back to back with a glass top for a coffee table. >> >> Neal Lebar >> nlebar at innovatefocus.com >>

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FS. PDP 11/35 + RK05 units in Yorkshire

by silvercreekvalley＠yahoo.com

All gone now. Thanks for the interest.

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Anyone heard from/of Curt@atarimuseum.com?

by IanK＠vulcan.com

He and I were engaged in an email exchange that suddenly stopped, and I hope nothing unpleasant has befallen him. Thanks -- Ian

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Michigan Timesharing System

by aek＠bitsavers.org

the sources and binaries for MTS are now available under http://bitsavers.org/bits/UniversityOfMichigan/mts/

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Broken Amiga keyboard

by eivinde＠terraplane.org

I have an Amiga keyboard (pcb says A3000) where the four keys 1, q, a and z doesn't work. The rest of the keyboard functions well. This happened after a longer period where I didn't use the keyboard. Does anybody have any ideas of things to check out to try to get this working again? Regards Eivind

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17. Michigan Timesharing System (Al Kossow)

by gerhard.kreuzer＠liftoff.at

Hi Al, please can you check the link, because it doesnt work out here. Thanks. With best regards Gerhard

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Recomp disk assembly

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Someone did an impressive job of destroying this to make it look "pretty" http://www.ebay.com/itm/300640339205

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Tons of manual and literature from the 1960s+ in Irvine, CA

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Hundreds of computer manuals and literature from the 1960s mostly, the golden age of the minicomputer. Most in excellent condition - many probably never opened. Located in Irvine, CA (Orange County) Includes Univac, HP, lots of minicomputer time-share. No list of contents available - there's more literature than manuals. See a few pictures here. http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals1.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals3.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals4.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals5.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals6.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/manuals2.jpg Last photo is misleading - only about 12 boxes contain this material. Contact Chuck if interested: Chuck.Hobbs at gmail.com

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pickup in the Boston area?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hey folks. Is there anyone here that'd be willing to pick up a DEC LA180 printer for me in Cambridge, MA, and sit on it for me for a little while? -Dave -- Dave McGuire New Kensington, PA

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SOLUTION (Was: Unix handles file extensions "very poorly"?

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

[Resend with corrected Subject:] Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> (in reply to a message from Fred Cisin) wrote: >Steady on, old chap. Pop a few more dried frog pills and calm down. Hah! Then I probably need some too ;-) Are those already on sale in the drugstore in Treacle Mine Road or do you still have to get them from the pharmaceutical institute of the Unseen University? (Another appreciator of TP humor outs himself...) >Joking aside, I have considered it. I honestly think a decent >Win9x/NT-style DOS shell for Linux would help its adoption by Windows > techies moving across. This is somewhat akin to the ideas I've been pushing around for some years now. I'm thinking that porting a familiar OS to some 'obscure' (to the average DOS/Wintel user) vintage architecture could serve to keep lots of these machines in active service with the general public. (But then there wouldn't be so many around for us to hoard - so that's perhaps why it isn't done...) Of course there would be a need for software portability as well, so you might want to include some sort of cross assembler or how-you'd-call-it in the package that, llke, takes a win32-x86 executable and turns out a win32-sparc (or whatever) executable. No idea if that's even remotely possible without excessive manual intervention... > The main snag being that C21 Windows techies >barely use the CLI at all and are not really skilled in it, whereas >1990s or even 1980s MS techies probably know Unix already. So don't contend yourself with just the CLI - you don't have to. There is an ongoing effort to create a FOSS Windows 2k/XP workalike named ReactOS. Currently that is targeted at x86 only but I'm holding high hopes that its code base will inspire such portery. "Windows" for all those systems that pack the horsepower to run it, including but not limited to those that once were NT's target platforms - Alpha, RS/6k (Siemens RM400), PPC (PowerStack) and Clipper (Intergraph) springing to mind immediately. >But I'd love a DOS shell for Linux, yes. If I had the skills, I'd try to do it. Partly for the convenience, partly for fun, partly for the sheer joy >of outraging traditional old-time Unix-heads. :?) Well put. Any of these on ist own would make enough of a reason methinks ;-) Add the conservation and ongoing practical utility of vintage hardware to that and let's see where it goes. Arno Kletzander ...sent from my HTC Magician PDA -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zur?ck-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone

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cctalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 51

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> (in reply to a message from Fred Cisin) wrote: >Steady on, old chap. Pop a few more dried frog pills and calm down. Hah! Then I probably need some too ;-) Are those already on sale in the drugstore in Treacle Mine Road or do you still have to get them from the pharmaceutical institute of the Unseen University? (Another appreciator of TP humor outs himself...) >Joking aside, I have considered it. I honestly think a decent >Win9x/NT-style DOS shell for Linux would help its adoption by Windows > techies moving across. This is somewhat akin to the ideas I've been pushing around for some years now. I'm thinking that porting a familiar OS to some 'obscure' (to the average DOS/Wintel user) vintage architecture could serve to keep lots of these machines in active service with the general public. (But then there wouldn't be so many around for us to hoard - so that's perhaps why it isn't done...) Of course there would be a need for software portability as well, so you might want to include some sort of cross assembler or how-you'd-call-it in the package that, llke, takes a win32-x86 executable and turns out a win32-sparc (or whatever) executable. No idea if that's even remotely possible without excessive manual intervention... > The main snag being that C21 Windows techies >barely use the CLI at all and are not really skilled in it, whereas >1990s or even 1980s MS techies probably know Unix already. So don't contend yourself with just the CLI - you don't have to. There is an ongoing effort to create a FOSS Windows 2k/XP workalike named ReactOS. Currently that is targeted at x86 only but I'm holding high hopes that its code base will inspire such portery. "Windows" for all those systems that pack the horsepower to run it, including but not limited to those that once were NT's target platforms - Alpha, RS/6k (Siemens RM400), PPC (PowerStack) and Clipper (Intergraph) springing to mind immediately. >But I'd love a DOS shell for Linux, yes. If I had the skills, I'd try to do it. Partly for the convenience, partly for fun, partly for the sheer joy >of outraging traditional old-time Unix-heads. :?) Well put. Any of these on ist own would make enough of a reason methinks ;-) Add the conservation and ongoing practical utility of vintage hardware to that and let's see where it goes. Arno Kletzander ...sent from my HTC Magician PDA

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Seeking Dell 316LT laptop ($$$)

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

I am in need of a Dell 316LT laptop. This would be from the late 1980s. Ideally it works. If you've got one and you want to make a deal, please contact me directly. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

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Visual 1050 hard drive setup

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:53:12 -0500 > From: "B. Degnan" <billdeg at degnanco.com> > To: <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Visual 1050 hard drive setup > > On 12/19/2011 05:30 PM, Damien Cymbal wrote: > > > Does anybody have a Visual 1050 with hard drive setup? I am looking > > > for any doc/pointers on how to get a hard drive configured under > > > CP/M for this system. > > > > > I do have two of them with HD, haven't powered it for a little while so > > memory is fuzzy. > > > > As I remember it used a different copy of the bios (boot disk) to configure > > as the bios had to be aware of the hard drive. I can look at docs but > > powering it up would take weeks to get to as other projects are in the > > forefront. > > > > That's correct. There is a special disk to set up the hard drive. I think you > have to have this disk in drive A in order to read the hard drive, I don't think > one can simply boot a 1050 to harddrive. I plan to work on this system over > the next few months, I will document the process on my site when I do. I > also am knee-deep in projects at the moment. > Bill Thanks for the initial responses Allison and Bill. Here's a summary of what I have been able to cull together so far: (1) The Z80 BOOT PROM code (version 1.2 at least, which is the source listing I have) appears to probe the Winchester, for boot e.g. - try to read Winchester - check result - if error, try floppy - if OK, check Winchester label - if bad label, try floppy - if good label load system and boot??? (this part is unclear to me) (2) Not all of the v1050 CP/M BIOS versions appear to support the Winchester. Versions up to 1.1 do not appear to contain the WINCH.ASM module which I am assuming is required for support. I do not have access to version 1.2, but I see this module showing up starting in version 1.3. I would assume that with the 1.2 BOOT PROM and the 1.4 CP/M BIOS I could support the Winchester (barring any bugginess - Bill I believe you have v2.0 of the CP/M BIOS and not sure on the BOOT PROM). What isn't clear to me at this point is how to install CP/M onto the Winchester and get the label setup so that the PROM would boot directly from the hard drive.

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