test-drb October 2011

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Can haz macros? - Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

I think you meant 1959, but ok.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Heh thanks. The famous one finger salute!

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***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Yeah no joke. I killfiled anything with Steve Jobs in the subject line but this one made it to my phone, where I can't filter. But I do think it may mean something that Dennis Ritchie only died after "the threat" was gone. ------Original Message------ From: Christian Corti Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011 Sent: 18 Oct 2011 09:17 On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Gene Buckle wrote: > Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Steve Jobs -2011 Finally someone who declares this "Steve Jobs"-thread as SPAM! ;-) Christian

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Let's talk NeXT - Re: Steve Jobs -2011

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

> So, to completely avoid > vendor lock-in and "a PC for every function", I've used (and will > continue to use) X11. I don't have any problem with X11 as long as you run a standards-compliant web browser in an X11 window :-). Or an xterm. There's very little today I do in X11 that isn't in a web browser or an xterm, don't you know :-) X11 just does not satisfy me as a way to define a high-information-content user interface. It's certainly capable of delivering a high-information-content user interface but it doesn't define it. The web by itself isn't too fancy but couple with Javascript, AJAX, SVG and other high-information-value media of interchange, and boy is it fun to work in! With just a little care, apps scale up enormously and deploy with so little effort on my part. You might note I left out many common web standards as being high information value. Tim.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C, trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by ken＠seefried.com

One of the many potentially great things that died when DEC did was Modula-3, a language with huge promise (and one that didn't jump the shark with Wirth (see: Oberon)). There's a small community keeping it alive, and it's design is still influential (the creator of Python cites it as a primary influence). Perhaps it's time to give it another look. Whenever these sorts of "what should the language look like..." debates come up, as often as not I think "sounds like Modula-3".

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UNIX and C history

by doc＠vaxen.net

The ongoing thread about the origins of C and UNIX have made me wonder about something I was told years ago: "UNIX was written as a host platform for C *development* and was not originally envisioned as the production platform for applications developed on it." In other words, the intent was that developers would write code on UNIX, then port it to an "application-oriented" OS for production. Is there any truth to that? Doc

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C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

On 10/16/2011 12:32 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 15 Oct 2011 at 22:51, Eric Smith wrote: > >> Yes. All C types, except bitfields within a structure, must have >> sizes that are a multiple of the size of the char type. > > Wasn't it presumptuous of K&R to assume that the smallest native > datum was a char? At the time the spec was being written, there did > exist bit-addressable machines, so directly-addressed bit arrays were > certainly possible on some hardware. Not just bit-aligned data: some processors from that same broad era (e.g. iAPX432) didn't even require that instructions be byte or word aligned. I think the point folks are missing is that it isn't the processor that defines the standard data types, but the language. I used to be more condescending towards the attitude that the-whole-world-is-a-stream-of-bytes (having worked with many I/O devices and languages and computers that had far more evolved record concepts) but here i am in 2011 and if I can coerce anything into a stream of bytes - I've got a lot of tools for working with that. Tim.

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

I think Free Pascal is self-hosting. Is that right, Gene? ------Original Message------ From: ben Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: cctalk at classiccmp.org ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died Sent: 17 Oct 2011 16:58 On 10/17/2011 7:22 AM, Gene Buckle wrote: > > If you don't want to use C/C++, you can't beat FreePascal & Lazarus. But what are they written in? > g. >

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Power brick repair

by jonas＠otter.se

On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:42:15 -0500, "Michael B. Brutman" <mbbrutman-cctalk at brutman.com> wrote: > Please, enough of the self-righteousness that always seems to highlight > your purist tendencies, including the ability to construct transistors > from raw materials and simple hand tools. We know where you stand already. I would hardly call Tony self-righteous. He does have strong opinions and lives by his convictions, but I have always got the clear impression that he accepts other people's right to do as they please with their own stuff. He will try to convince you that you should reconsider, if you propose doing something which he thinks is wrong, however I don't think that the connotation "especiallywhensmuglymoralisticandintolerantoftheopinionsandbehaviorofothers" of the word "self-righteous" (from dictionary.com) applies. Being intolerant is not the same as disagreeing and trying to convince people they are wrong. Intolerance implies refusing other people the right to their opinions. Irony does not always go down well either, unfortunately. /Jonas

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Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Thanks, good stuff! ------Original Message------ From: Ray Arachelian Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Useful languages on UNIX that are not C - was Re: C trivia - was Re: Dennis Ritchie has died Sent: 17 Oct 2011 19:53 On 10/17/2011 03:43 PM, Vintage Coder wrote: > Even I could appreciate that (except for the verse about assembler, which I find easier to debug than anything else). > > Hey, I didn't write those verse, I only shared them. :)

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