test-drb March 2009

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215 participants
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by hoelscher-kirchbrak＠freenet.de

Hi, I haven't got ULTRIX/VAX V3.0C, but: V2.0 V3.1 (disk image only) V4.2 V4.4 V4.5 I'd like to have the missing versions, too. More ULTRIX-Manuals would be VERY interesting as well. (I scanned the ones at bitsavers.com) What type of VAX do you want to run ULTRIX on? Regards, Ulli

15 years, 1 month

Looking for early versions of MicroVMS & VWS

by dgahling＠hotmail.com

I think I have some of these, but not 100% sure. I've gotta stop archiving stuff just weeks before people ask for it :P Dan. > From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:38:00 +0000 > Subject: RE: Looking for early versions of MicroVMS & VWS > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk- > > bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of H?lscher > > Sent: 24 March 2009 17:43 > > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > > Subject: Looking for early versions of MicroVMS & VWS > > > > WANTED - Early Versions of: > > > > - MicroVMS V1.0 (later renamed to V4.0) V4.1, V4.1M, V4.2 > > - VWS (VAX/VMS Workstation Software) V1.1, V2.0, V3.0 > > > > Help please, I want to run my MicroVAX I/IIs on contemporary software! > > > > Any media (TK50 tape cartridge, RX50 floppies, 9-track tape, ...) , any > > condition (Installation media, BACKUP Save Sets, Disk/Tape Images, ...) > > > > Regards, > > > > Ulli > > > > P.S. > > I can help out with other old VAX software > > I too would like to find media for an older version of VMS, as I recently > acquired a MicroVAX II. It has an RD53, but I think it does not work as it > whines and the machine won't boot from it, even though I believe it is > supposed to have a version of Ultrix on it. I am in the process of trying to > setup a cluster and see if I can boot the machine from a DEQNA I bought > recently as well, but that will be VMS 7.3 and I would like to have an older > version for old-times sake and also so that I can fit it onto the disk, if > it works, or onto another RD53 or RD54 if I can get hold of one. > > Regards > > Rob > > _________________________________________________________________ Reunite with the people closest to you, chat face to face with Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650736

15 years, 1 month

DECMATE I on EBay

by technobug＠comcast.net

A complete system (in pieces) is on EBay @ 250390580244. Very reasonable at this moment... CRC

15 years, 1 month

Streaming TK50

by bqt＠softjar.se

Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Paul Koning <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote: >>>>>>> "Ethan" == Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes: >> Ethan> ...and I don't know if a uVAX-I can keep a TK50 >> Ethan> busy, ... >> >> I should hope so, given that a modest PDP-11 could do so easily. > > I wouldn't be so certain - my experience is that the the way the TK50 > works, you can store *up to* 95MB per tape *if* you can keep the silos > full. A MicroVAX-I is a slooooow beasty. There's no problem with the > Qbus itself, but my concern would be that system overhead, interrupt > latency, RQDX performance, etc., could be bad enough that the OS just > couldn't fill tape buffers fast enough. Of course, trying to back up > 30 MB onto a 95MB tape doesn't require perfect performance. No. You're mixing two different things. The speed of the drive is very much dependant on keeping the silos full. Otherwise it will go into start-stop mode, in which the speed gets horrenously slow. And I wouldn't be surprused finding out that a uVAX I can't keep a TK50 streaming. It's a slow beast. A "modern" PDP-11 is much better. However, streaming or not should not affect capacity as such. Block sizes on the other hand do. Doing small blocks drastically reduces capacity, since you have inter-block gaps on the tape. > Thinking about it, perhaps it's worth the effort to use Standalone > Backup - that should minimize any OS effects on backup speeds. Once > the tape is written, ISTR the TK50 will back the tape up as necessary > to extract what's on it. It's writing that you _must_ optimize. Well, from a performance point of view, both reads and writes should be optimized. Capactiry-wise shouldn't matter. Tape will start-stop and rewind as needed for both reads and writes. I'm looking through TK50 manuals, but can't find anything about inter-block gaps. The TU81 (for example) can have two different sizes of IBGs, which will affect capacity, and which can be related to tape speed. As I said, I can't find anything like this for the TK50, but if there is, it might cause what you are thinking of (except that the IBG is small by default when in start-stop mode on the TU81, and you have to explicity ask for a larger IBG). Other comments about TK50s? Well, they need a lot of cleaning, and you have to disassemble them when the pick-up skips the arm, which is pretty common. But anyone who have been playing with these drives probably knows this already. :-) Otherwise they keep working pretty reliably. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

15 years, 1 month

Gone but not forgotten- 10 operating systems most people have left behind

by listmail＠athenet.net

Article by some young puppy who doesn't know about any unices, RT-11, RSTS, VMS, or RSX-11. No O/S for big IBM iron either. Almost every thing he mentions is at least a generation newer than what most of us "We have said goodbye to some of them with regret. (So long, AmigaOS!) Some of them we tossed carelessly aside. (Adios, Windows Me!) Some, we threw out with great force. (Don't let the door hit you on the way out, MS-DOS 4.0!)" http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&art… ----- 624. [Alcohol] Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. --Dave Barry --... ...-- -.. . -. ----. --.- --.- -... tpeters at nospam.mixcom.com (remove "nospam") N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) WEB: http://www.mixweb.com/tpeters 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W, Elevation 815', Grid Square EN53wc WAN/LAN/Telcom Analyst, Tech Writer, MCP, CCNA, Registered Linux User 385531

15 years, 1 month

PDP-11 bootup

by tpeters＠mixcom.com

At 10:23 PM 3/25/2009 -0400, you wrote: >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I just brought home my spiffy new MicroPDP-11, hooked it up to my >laptop (couldn't find cables to go to any real terminals) and tried >booting. Right now, all I see at power-on is: >173000 >@ > >I can type things after the @, but it seems that pretty much any >keypress results in a '?' and a new prompt. > >I'm a total PDP-11 newb, but the users manual implied that I should be >seeing some sort of post-ish procedure similar to what you get on a >VAX. Any ideas? Type G If that doesn't work, try 173000G ----- 5. [Computing] "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. --Grace Murray Hopper, as quoted in the Unix Haters Handbook, p.10 --... ...-- -.. . -. ----. --.- --.- -... tpeters at nospam.mixcom.com (remove "nospam") N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) WEB: http://www.mixweb.com/tpeters 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W, Elevation 815', Grid Square EN53wc WAN/LAN/Telcom Analyst, Tech Writer, MCP, CCNA, Registered Linux User 385531

15 years, 1 month

Hazeltine 1500 screen garbage; ideas?

by slawmaster＠gmail.com

Thanks to the generosity of Kenneth Marshall and his colleagues at the Laboratory for Laser Energetics, I now have a MicroPDP-11, RX-01, a whole box of miscellaneous flip chips, tons of documentation, and a Hazeltine 1500 terminal. Preliminary to setting up all the rest, I thought I'd try getting the Hazeltine working. I plugged it in and powered up, but the screen seems to be displaying random characters constantly while flickering... it's like somebody is sending a binary file over the serial line, except the serial line isn't connected to anything. Can someone with more terminal knowledge than me try to shed some light? I'm going to check very carefully to make sure no keys are sticking now... I don't think that's the problem but it sure would be nice if it was :) John -- "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C, Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba

15 years, 1 month

Zilog System 8000

by lehmann＠ans-netz.de

Hi, I was able to acquire 4 Zilog S8000 boards lately. - S8000 Central Processing Unit - S8000 Winchester Disk Controller - S8000 Cartridge Tape Controller - S8000 ECC Controller I'm trying to get my hands on the Case and the 1MB memory card, but I was wondering if someone has still pieces of the S8000 at hand? What about tape images of ZEUS? I mean - when I'm getting the minimum required hardware sooner or later - without an installation tape I'm a bit lost - right? ;) I've tried to put all the information I was able to found about the S8000 together at http://pofo.de/S8000/ I've scanned the boards I got and put all the EPROM images online. COPYRIGHT, ZILOG, INC. 1980 S8000 Monitor 1.2 - Press START to Load System ;) -- Oliver Lehmann http://www.pofo.de/ http://wishlist.ans-netz.de/

15 years, 1 month

Anyone interested in VESA or PCI 486 PCs?

by lproven＠gmail.com

I am having a clear-out & I've discovered a cache of 486s in my garage. 4 or 5 machines, some VL-bus, some PCI. 486DX2-66 or better. All come with hard disks, RAM, network cards, CD-ROM drive if desired. I can provide keyboards too if desired. Free for collection from London, England. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat, Yahoo & Skype: liamproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? ICQ: 73187508

15 years, 1 month

MGE EPS 2000 UPS available

by trovere＠thevalleyscw.tv

Do you still have this ups? Thanks Tim

15 years, 1 month

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test-drb March 2009