test-drb February 2009

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309 discussions

by steven.alan.canning＠verizon.net

Intel does some squirrelly crap but I can assure you that unless it says 80C88 it is NMOS ( the -2 version of the 8088 is Enhanced NMOS or HMOS, but still not CMOS ). CMOS is not necessarily slow either, but at higher frequencies it looses it's low power advantage. We used SOS ( Silicon On Sapphire ) 1802s on spacecraft because of the low power, and the SOS makes it much less static sensitive and Radiation Hardened. Intel screwed us when they stepped the 8031 to CMOS ( 80C31 ) as they forgot to mention the multiple pages of errata of things that didn't work right, like Power on Reset and Interrupts..... Best regards, Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris M" <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: Re: 8088 vs. 80c88 regardless, and be sure I am no expert on semiconductor manufacturing, I'd be surprised to find out that all 8088's were CMOS after a certain date. The 80c88's were used mostly in small laptops, no? (small being anything smaller then that Zenith big honker, w/the shocking blue display. It used a *real* 8088 IINM). A CMOS version would be slower and more prone to damage from static electricity. And it would require less power. Off the top of my head I can't think of any desktops that used them, but I may have actually ran into 1 or 2 in my travels. But I am glad you managed to answer your own question Jimbo :) --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> wrote: From: Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> Subject: Re: 8088 vs. 80c88 To: General at mail.mobygames.com, "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 2:49 PM Jim Leonard wrote: > So a simple routine to try to identify the 8088 vs. the 80c88 would look something like: > > mov cx,2 ; test if following instruction will be > ; repeated twice. > db 0F3h,26h,0ACh ; rep es: lodsb > jcxz Yes ; intel non-CMOS chips do not care of rep > jmp Nope ; before segment prefix override, NEC and > ; CMOS-tech ones does.

15 years, 4 months

Saving TU-58 Tapes

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

I just received a number of TU-58 tapes. Most seem to have VAX software. Is a list of the contents of such tapes available somewhere? I want to save the files before I use them for RT-11. I have seen such a collection of VAX software before and I presume that I am not the only person to save the files. So if this has already been done, it will not be necessary to repeat the exercise. I attempted to look at bitsavers, but there does not seem to be anything much there in the way of software for the VAX. I assume that since there are hobby licenses for the VAX that all of the software is also available. By the way, the dates on the files are 1983 to 1985. Some of the contents are: VAX/VMS 3.4 FORTRAN C PASCAL Are these tapes useful? How are the files saved? Can the files be easily saved using RT-11? What is the best media to save the files? Probably the only reasonable method with RT-11 is to save all 512 blocks of the TU-58 tape as an image so that a VAX/VMS system can easily ATTACH the file as a TU-58 tape drive under SIMH. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine

15 years, 4 months

Altos 8000-2 booting, SD> DD (CPM)

by g-wright＠att.net

as long as I'm on the Altos thread. I'm trying to make some disks for another list member for the 8000-8200 Z-80 based machines. Both of my systems have floppy disk boot or write problems. So I decided to look into the easier machine which it a 8000-2. basic Z-80 , 1791 FDC and 2, 8" SSDD floppies. The machine will boot a single density CPM disk, read and format a SD disk, but dies if a DD disk is either inserted for boot or the format program on the SD disk is told to format a DD disk. These all have SD Boot tracks, then have to switch to DD, if formated in DD. I have the wiring diagrams and there is a "EN DD" coming off the PIO chip and goes to the 1791 chip, that never changes state. I would believe it would have a floppy density code on the 1st track to tell the OS what the remaining tracks are ??? (just a guess) I know the disks are OK, they can be read in another machine. ( just not copied.). i have looked at the data lines on the PIO chip and have replaced it just in case. I have scoped the started up circuit which also has the "EN DD" tied to it. (input) The software can only be copied by another Altos due to the disk layout. The boot ROM could be damaged?? but not knowing what it should read, its hard to guess. Can't be much there just a 2708. Anyone have a 8200-2 that can read the ROM on, or any ideas. The manual is on Bitsavers under Altos, ACS8000 users manual. The motherboard is a 8100 series (double density) Has 8000 SD, 8100 DD and 8200 in the manual. - jerry Jerry Wright g-wright at att.net

15 years, 4 months

Altos & M/PM manuals available

by silent700＠gmail.com

I have a large box of Altos materials here that I would like to find a home for. About half of it is standard bound books, which will go first. The remainder is ringbound and I am going to attempt to scan them. In addition to manuals there is a lot of dealer sales material, including about a dozen issues of the monthly sales newsletter "ALTOgether." The first lot includes manuals for the Altos 486 (which was really an 80186,) Altos 586/986, Altos XENIX, and a few for the M/PM-II and MPM-86 operating systems. A couple books are a bit warped from sitting in a box too long, but they're all in pretty good shape otherwise. All in all about 16lbs of books. Free for the cost of shipping (Media Mail rate shouldn't be too bad) from 60074. -j

15 years, 4 months

Tektronix 4225 -- is it an X terminal?

by legalize＠xmission.com

See ebay item # 360132413754 That listing just includes the base unit, but thankfully has closeup pictures of the connectors on the back. It looks like it takes AUI ethernet or RS-232 and outputs RGB video. Anyone familiar with these puppies? I've not seen one before. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

15 years, 4 months

Alive?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 3:49 PM -0500 2/15/09, Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Is classiccmp alive? Interesting, it appears that it isn't, the last message I received was at 4:02am on Saturday. No news no PDP-11 matters, I've not had time to make enquiries. House hunting is slow going, we've been waiting for nearly a month to hear what the bank that owns the house we currently have an offer in on says. Unfortunately the only houses we can afford are ones that the banks own, and that takes forever. The one house we had our offer accepted on failed the inspection miserably. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

15 years, 4 months

List down - transcript of my test on the 15th - Feb archive afu on 15th

by vern4wright＠yahoo.com

Returned mail: see transcript for details Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:37 PM From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON at dewey.classiccmp.org> Add sender to Contacts To: vern4wright at yahoo.com Message contains attachments Message001.txt (375b), Is ClassicCmp down?.eml (2KB) The original message was received at Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:37:40 -0600 (CST) >from keith.ezwind.net [209.145.140.15] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin cctalk" (reason: 1) (expanded from: <cctalk-admin at classiccmp.org>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (most recent call last): Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 400, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 179, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin", line 61, in ? Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 400, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 179, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device main() Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 400, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 179, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin", line 56, in main Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 400, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 179, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device bounceq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), listname=listname, _plaintext=1) Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 400, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 179, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 130, in enqueue Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 400, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 179, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device fp.flush() Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 400, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 179, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 91, in write f.write(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 400, in write return self.writer.write(data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/codecs.py", line 179, in write self.stream.write(data) IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device Original log message: [Errno 28] No space left on device 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Forwarded Message: Is ClassicCmp down? Is ClassicCmp down? Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:37 PM From: "Vernon Wright" <vern4wright at yahoo.com> To: cctalk-admin at classiccmp.org Is ClassicCmp down? The last message I've received was 14 Feb 2009 timed 4:02 am, regarding the Nicolet 660 by Ian Primus, I think. Of course, if it is down, I won't get a reply. But I should get a bounce. Vern Wright

15 years, 4 months

Sphere documentation

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Docs for the Sphere 300 are up now under http://bitsavers.org/pdf/sphere The details of the Sphere bankruptcy is in the programma document under newsletters.

15 years, 4 months

Any have a CMD CQD-200/M manual?

by toby＠coreware.co.uk

Hi, Has anyone by change got a manual for a CQD-200/M (QBUS SCSI controller). The device is pretty similar to the CQD-220/M, which has a pdf on bitsavers, but jumpers are alas not the same and I just want to check I've got everything set correctly and enable its bootstrap I've fired it up on my PDP-11/23+ with an RZ27 disk and I can indeed access it via RT-11 but I only get a 32MB (65K blocks) disk after an initialize. Does RT-11 have a 65K block limit on a disk? Thanks, Toby -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

15 years, 4 months

No adjective for this ebay item

by melamy＠earthlink.net

unfortunately eBay only charges the guy $ 0.35 for the listing... Maybe he is hoping for a miracle! best regards, Steve Thatcher -----Original Message----- >From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> > >That guy has been trying to sell that thing at that price for at least a >year. > >-- >David Griffith

15 years, 4 months

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test-drb February 2009