I'd pile on here but the point has been well made by far. Sheesh.
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Brian L. Stuart said:
> The "first" of one of these warrants very little historical interest.
I disagree with just this part. It is of interest, but your point is
taken.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Evan Koblentz evan at snarc.net
>Sent 7/17/2008 11:45:18 PM
>To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' cctalk at classiccmp.org
>Subject: RE: "first" computer on the internet
>
>Also ... Who is this man? Here's a bio:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einar_Stefferud
>
>
That Wikipedia page is like a year old, and I can't really find much info on that person.
Besides the fact the Wikipedia is about as trustable as a lion in a butcher shop, where everything you type becomes "fact."
I worked at Citrix Systems back in 1994 until 1995, and we ALREADY had system on the Internet, or internet, when I started there early 1994, and already had CITRIX.COM, and used it for email back then. We used the Microsoft Gateway for MS Mail.
I also remember registering ASPID.COM with Ann Westine @ ISI back in about 1991 or so, and there were ISP's cropping up already, with UUNet being the leader (at the time) - I happened to be going through the University of Miami (FL) using mthvax.cs.miami.edu, first using UUCP, and later SLIP/PPP.
I mean - wasn't AOL and CompuServe accessing the internet by then?
I think the email address had to have :INTERNET> prefixing it, or something similar?
A Sun SLC? in 1994?
Don't think so - way too late to the party - we were already drunk!
T
No, no ... email is pipes. Didn't the Romans invent that?
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From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
Subj: Re: "first" computer on the internet
Date: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:34 pm
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
When did Al Gore invent it?
I've seen worse, as recently as a few days ago. A beige/brown
color-schemed ADM 3a came in for recycling and it looked like the CRT face
was ready to just fall apart. It was literally almost ten times worse
than that in the subject eBay auction.
> I'm unsure if we've ever come to the conclusion if this is just an
> adhesion separation issue resulting in blotches resembling mold, or
> actual mold causing the separation. (Have we had some sort of cause
> for this problem?)
We came to the conclusion that it was a delamination issue. If you can
find it in the list archives, one of our intrepid list members did some
experiment that pretty much conclusively proved it was delamination.
These are now starting to be worth real bucks. I say they are worth
getting in any condition at this point, especially if they can be
rehabilitated. I think if someone can find an equivalent CRT in a common
piece of gear, like maybe an Apple monochrome monitor, then that would be
useful. I guess I could do that, if I make the time.
$250 is way too high for this one. Drop the zero. But add $25-$50 for
the original manual.
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> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:34:54 -0500
> From: "joe lobocki" <jlobocki at gmail.com>
> On 7/17/08, Jeff Walther <trag at io.com> wrote:
>> My bad. I was thinking of "autoinject" and not 800K vs. 1.44MB.
>> However, unless you're a purist for collector's reasons, I think the
>> 1.44
>> MB drive will work fine in the SE. It will read and write 800K and 400K
>> disks just as well as an 800K disk drive.
> jeff, you may be right, but my understanding was that a 1.44 drive
> wont function in a system with an 800k set of chips, and that it needs
> to be chipped or the logic board swapped. yes, I am a purist, but i
> think i might be able to slide on this one if it works.
First, please do not top post, and please do edit away irrelevant quoted
text.
Second, the 1.44 MB drive will not function as a 1.44 MB drive in a system
with 800K chips. However, it will function just fine as an 800K drive.
There is no chipping or logic board swapping needed to use the 1.44 MB
floppy drive as an 800K drive. The only possible issue is the floppy
drive cable, as I wrote earlier, but the difference (IIRC) was only one
line which would be easy enough to change.
Still, I'm pretty certain that the floppy cable issue was one of
auto-inject vs. manual-inject drives, not 800K vs. 1.44MB drives, because
I remember installing an auto-inject drive in a machine normally equipped
with manual-inject drives, once, and the drive began continuously
ejecting. That's caused by a difference in the cable, but is completely
irrelevant (IIRC) to your situation.
Jeff Walther
Jules sayeth:
> I believe Sellam still has an offer open to analyse the decay if someone
> can send him a sample - I'd already ditched the pile of rot from the
> HP-250 by that point.
Yes, I believe that opportunity is still available. But I don't think
that's necessary. I think one could be analyzed adequately if it was
removed, de-vaccumed, and a hole of 1cm is drilled through the face where
the affliction is at its worst. Then blow the dust away and see what you
got.
If there's something biological there, isn't there a simple test you can
apply (say "hello" to it and see if it responds)? If it's delamination, I
think it will be apparent at the cross-section.
The drilling would not be that trivial, but doable.
If I get time I'll try this, just to put this to rest once and for all.
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Terminal Buffs and others interested:
I've seen screen rot before -- even owning one with perimeter
symptoms, but this is an example of _extreme_ "screen rot" (separation
of the protective plate from the CRT) on an ADM-3a.
See picture(s) --
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=360070017833
I realize this issue has been brought up and discussed numerous times
in the past -- but I thought I'd give ClassicCMP'ers a peek.
I'm unsure if we've ever come to the conclusion if this is just an
adhesion separation issue resulting in blotches resembling mold, or
actual mold causing the separation. (Have we had some sort of cause
for this problem?)
Anyway, FYI for those interested. May be good for parts, although the
initial bid price is a quite high side given the condition.
-eric
P.S. I have no connection to the seller, am not pushing a purchase in any way.
