test-drb December 2008

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by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Hi, all, I was bouncing around looking for SuperPET info and ran across this page (again)... <http://members.tripod.com/~petlibrary/vcdpage.htm> Unfortunately, the address on the page is no longer active, so it's not possible to request a copy of the video. Did anyone on the list ever get this? -ethan

15 years, 5 months

oregon software tape

by aek＠bitsavers.org

did anyone on the list buy this tape? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120348714966 I got the earlier version, and it is a source tape. I'm trying to find out if the other one was as well. fscking eBay now hides the buyer's ID.

15 years, 5 months

Engelbart's mouse / 40th anniversary

by hilpert＠cs.ubc.ca

There was a blurb just now on the radio (CBC) about Engelbart's development of the mouse, including an audio recording of his presentation of it at a conference in 1968. That was nice, but weird/annnoying is that the reporter referred to it as a "discovery". Is it not possible to invent anything anymore? Is everything, and everything that will ever be in the future, an already-existing concept waiting out there in some alternative universe of the imagination, just waiting to be "discovered" by the mind of somebody? Or did I miss a debate about the semiotics of "discovery" vs. "invention" in the public discourse somewhere along the way? It's nice to be humble about achievements and acknowledge that developments are built upon other developments and don't occur in isolation but isn't this taking it a bit far?

15 years, 5 months

MS WinWord 6.0 32-bit

by lproven＠gmail.com

This is somewhat off-topic for here, but I don't know where else to ask. Way back in the early days of 32-bit Windows - I know, 5min ago by local standards - MS did a 32-bit version of Word and Excel for users of MS Office 4 on Windows NT 3. I used to have copies - on floppy - but I've lost them. No idea where to get replacements now, but I would really like to be able to use Word 6/32 again. It was a great WP, and by modern standards, tiny and very fast. Anyone still have a copy, or can suggest where to look or ask? -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com ? MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk ? Skype: liamproven ? ICQ: 73187508

15 years, 5 months

FDOS for Fluke 1720A

by jetemp＠insightbb.com

Hello, Saw your post and thought I would ask about the software and manuals for the Fluke 1722A controller. Do you still have them? Did you get them to Bitsavers? I'm interested in obtaining the above software. Sincerely, Jim Temple Louisville, KY.

15 years, 5 months

New USB Mod Ms available from Unicomp? was Re: USB Model M

by innfoclassics＠gmail.com

> Right here: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/cabdetmin.html > Thanks for the link as I need some cables too. I bought a dozen Model Ms from a local community college garage sale. They were complaining about how much noise they made. At 50 cents apiece I bought all they had. I noticed that Unicomp, the site mentioned above sells new Buckling Key keyboards With USB built in for $69. http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/cus101usenon.html These are the people that bought the Keyboard parts business from IBM. It looks like they are trying to keep the model M and continue to supply the market. Paxton -- Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR USA

15 years, 5 months

Rockwell PPS-4 info (was 8008 v. 4004...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On Wed, December 17, 2008 3:05 pm, Brent Hilpert wrote: > There was a later PPS-4/1 single-chip version. I don't know how popular > this > stuff was but I wonder if there aren't more PPS-4 systems buried in > equipment > and appliances from the period than is commonly known. (I have wondered, > for > example, what the 70's-era Amana Radarange microwave ovens used for > control.) Umm...mechanical timers. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL

15 years, 5 months

Timekeeping (was Re: Sherwood Micro CPU/100)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com> wrote: > Well, it did. My nine-year-old daughter has a hard time with me telling her it's "a quarter to nine" when it is, in fact, 8:42. The convenience of rounding is something I'm working to help her appreciate. There's a practical side, too: when I'm trying to get her ready for school in the morning, she'll cling to the useless fact that she has "three more minutes" before it's time to go, during which she can supposedly write a sonnet, create a work of art, and find her socks, shoes and a suitable coat. 'Perception of time', indeed.... -- Ian > > [*] I remember the consternation the transition from analog to digital clocks > caused in the mid-70s. Many people seemed to have difficulty with it and were > somehow concerned that it might 'change our perception of time'. I just watched the Quartz Clock episode of "The Secret Life of Machines", and there was a bit in there about that - the animated character was trying to figure out how late he was to the opera by "doing the math" in his head about what time his digital watch showed and when the curtain would rise on the performance. He gave up with his sums and asked another animated character what the time was on her analog watch - he quickly saw the minuscule number of degrees difference between now and they and understood how late he was. It used to be a big deal to learn how to tell approximate time when learning foreign languages, but perhaps now that quartz/electric motor analog watches are inexpensive (certainly compared to a mechanical watch), knowing that it's "half past ten" or "ten to eleven" will become fashionable once again. My first watch was a "cheap" ($15?) digital LED watch, c. 1978. I got a Timex mechanical watch for a graduation present a few years later, but I guess I gave it more of a licking than it could stand, because I remember tearing it apart less than 5 years later (because it didn't work, not just to see what was inside). I don't really miss the Timex, but I miss those glowing red digits. Much more recently, someone got me a modern BCD/binary watch from ThinkGeek. I like it, but I've been reading binary clocks since they were popular when I was a kid. I remember trying to find a binary clock kit between about 1982 and 1992 and they just couldn't be found anywhere. That pendulum has certainly swung the other way (pun intended). Now if I could just find where I stashed my 4000-series CMOS and ~100 LED clock from the late 1970s that I picked up at a St Vincent DePaul's a couple of years back - I need to find which of the 30ish chips has a bad gate and consider replacing the LEDs with new, non-age-dimmed ones. It's a pretty neat clock, made in Indiana (can't remember where right now), and has a couple of concentric rings of LEDs to simulate analog hands. It mostly worked when I got it home, but there's a stray "ghost" hand that comes and goes as the time ticks around the face. So many ways to tell time in the modern era. This is a huge change >from a few centuries ago, when a marked stick was close enough. -ethan

15 years, 5 months

Rockwell PPS-4 info (was 8008 v. 4004...)

by mc＠media.mit.edu

Thanks for the lead on the Rockwell PPS-4. Does anyone know where I can find architectural info on it, and/or a die photo? It seems to be quite rare, and there is almost no information about this chip [family] on the web. --Tim

15 years, 5 months

Canon Cat: what density 3.5"?

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

DSDD floppy disks work fine, but I don't believe that you can buy them anymore. I think the Cat only uses 265K of disk space, and will format them if required. Steve. --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote: From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> Subject: Canon Cat: what density 3.5"? To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 8:04 PM What type of 3.5" floppies are people using in their Cats? Would off-the-shelf double-density suffice? Any special preparation required? -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- ? Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Nuclear war would really set back cable. -- Ted Turner ---------------------

15 years, 5 months

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test-drb December 2008