test-drb May 2007

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dec & vax stuff found....mostly manuals.... most of this is available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Below is a list of stuff I got in the mail today. Someone didn't want it to get thrown away and I offered to pay shipping costs to get it in to collectors hands. Little did I know it was going to be $150. So I'm definitely entertaining offers on any of the items below to recoup my costs. I also just want to make sure this stuff gets to collectors. Condition - most of this stuff is in unusually good condition. Many of the dec handbooks look almost new. I probably want to keep the 11/34 printset and the unibus extender. With regards to the manuals, there are some real gems in the list - note the GT40 manuals, the 11/70 handbook, and the 68000 programming card. Let me know if there is interest. Jay --------- DEC handbooks microcomputer processor handbook 1979-80 2 microcomputers and memories 1981 2 microcomputers and memories 1982 3 microcomputer interfaces handbook 1980 2 pdp11 processor handbook pdp11/04/24/34a/44/70 PDP-11 micro/pdp-11 handbook 1983-1984 microcomputer processors 1978-1979 pdp11 peripherals handbook 1976 pdp11 peripherals handbook programming & interfacing 1973-1974 pdp11 peripherals and interfacing handbook 1972 pdp11 04/05/10/35/40/45 processor handbook 1975-1976 communications handbook 1981-82 terminals and communications handbook 1980 pdp11/70 processor handbook 1977-78 vax hardware handbook 1980-81 vax systems hardware handbook - unibus systems (vax-11/725/730/750/780/785/782, 8600/8650) Misc Books IC Op-Amp cookbook second edition, walter jung (sams) Small manuals orange minireference book RSX-11M (version 4.2) blue minireference book RSX-11M (version 3.2) PDP-11 RT-11 pocket guide Fluke 8024A operator's guide card pdp11 programming card pdp11 programming card (older blue one) pdp11/04/34/34a maintenance card RSX-11M pocket reference (ship and masefield quote on front) MC68000 16 bit microprocessor programming card Printsets 11/34a field maintenance print set MS11-L field maintenance print set VT100/VT103 field maintenance print set Manuals (2) PDP-11 Macro-11 language reference manual (2) RSX-11M/M-Plus task builder manual pdp-11/34 system users manual MS11-L MOS memory users guide DL11-W serial line unit/real-time clock option operators manual M9312 bootstrap terminator module technical manual (copy) VAX-11 run time library reference manual RSX-11M/M-Plus executive reference manual IAS/RSX-11 system library routines reference manual (with updates) RSX-11M guide to writing an I/O driver (with updates) VAX-11 record management services reference manual VAX/VMS I/O users guide volume 1 VAX/VMS I/O users guide volume 2 VAX/VMS real time users guide VAX-11 run time library users guide RSX-11M beginners guide RSX-11M/RSX-11S documentation directory RSX-11M mini-index Introduction to RSX11M Beginners guide to the DEC EDITOR (2) RSX-11M/M-Plus guide to program development DECUS C Language Sytem DECUS C compiler reference manual DECUS C Language System compiler & library software support manual DECUS C Language System utility library reference manual PML users guide portable math library DECUS C Language system RSX-11M v4.0 executive and F11ACP C Extensions library GT40 users guide (operation) GT40 graphic display terminal manual volume 1 (theory, prog, maint) GT40 graphic display terminal manual volume 2 (theory, prog, maint) RSX11M user handouts (ZX-RSX11-UR) IAS/RSX-11 macro-11 reference manual IAS/RSX-11 ODT reference manual RT-11 shoftware support manual Price lists & specs GT11 Price List Hardware KEF11-AA (four roms, 2 sets, each set is a uA1488PC and a uA1489PC) unibus dual height extender card M9312 bootstrap terminator card (roms DL, DM, DP, DKDT, and 11/04/34 diag/cons) VT100 terminal & keyboard

18 years, 1 month

Unix disk copy using dd?

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:39:48 +0100 > From: "Andy Piercy" <andy.piercy at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Unix disk copy using dd ? > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <fc324d390705040139q1eb6fde5udb0fd2ba0e021831 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > So basically you can only use dd to copy to a disk of the same size. > I have successfully used dd to copy a disk onto another disk of a larger size. The difference between the original disk and the new disk is unused space, but you can run the host partitioner and change that (or, if it's a newer filesystem like XFS, JFS, etc. you can extend onto the unused space). P.S. - realized that my new system for replying to a digest left several messages quite probably without any subject. My apologies. Scott

18 years, 1 month

Mentec

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 06:53:49 +0100 > From: "Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> > Subject: Mentec > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <86505602FE0FBB4CB9DE54636AA48D39022ED1 at EDISERVER.EDICONS.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All > I'm a bit confused about this Mentec issue. They bought up the > rights to the pdp-11 line and even produced some new boards. Now they > seem to have abandoned the whole thing. I can only find one web site > that could be theirs but it is very up market corporate image stuff. No > mention of pdp anything. > > As I am in the middle of restoring some pdp-11/94's the issue around > how > RT11 and RSX could be made available is of much interest. If they have > not sold the rights and are not pursuing the business perhaps they > could > help us poor pdp preservers. > > Rod > Questions come in clusters, don't they. I'll answer this, since several people were kind enough to patiently explain it to me when I asked the same (VFAQ, but nothing listed in one place). Mentec is still around, although it looks like the PDP-11 division website is not up right now. They did make RT-11, RSX-11, and RSTS/E available for people to use in a _non-commercial_ environment under SIMH. Images for RT-11 and RSTS/E (which does have DCL now, I was operating under old information) are available from the SIMH website. I'm not sure if the RSTS/E distribution includes the RSX runtime or not. Sadly for hobbyists, the license does not extend to true hardware, only the SIMH emulator. It seems that Mentec was looking to have an expanded hobbyist program, but it was not economically viable and/or the attitude of some hobbyists was a bit off-putting. No official reason was given, but the rumors are as above. :(. 2.11BSD and v7 are available freely, though. I believe I have gotten this correct. Scott

18 years, 1 month

cctalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 6

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> > Subject: MacOS 6 on BasiliskII > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.55.0705031511340.6010 at helios.cs.csubak.edu> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > I have BasiliskII installed via apt on Ubuntu. I've sucessfully read > and > installed the 6.0.8 system disks as downloaded from Apple's archive. > The > rom images I have and have tried are for a Quadra650 and a Performa. > BasiliskII doesn't like the Mac Plus rom. On boot, I get a complaint > that > this Mac is set for 32-bit addressing and that I should switch to > 24-bit > addressing (since os6 doesn't do 32-bitness). Clicking "24-bit" > doesn't > work. Does anyone here know how to get this working? > As has been said, 040 ROMS are too new for System 6, as are most Performa ROMs. If a Plus won't run, try to find a IIci to get ROM dumps. System 6 runs on almost all II series Macs (not on IIvx/vi, though- but those are rare). The IIci is quite common, which is why I suggested it (also 32-bit-clean if you should want to run System 7) (but you could use II, IIx, IIcx, SE/30, IIsi, IIfx also).

18 years, 1 month

More Hawthorne articles posted

by rcini＠optonline.net

All: This evening I posted a few articles on the Hawthorne TinyGiant 68000 that appeared in The Computer Journal issues 27, 29, 30 and 31. Enjoy. Rich -- Rich Cini Collector of Classic Computers Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator http://www.altair32.com http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp

18 years, 1 month

Recent Trenton show

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Chris M wrote: And that post of mine was an obvious joke. Everyone knew it from the get go. --- Billy responds: I didn't. Maybe I'm a little slow on the uptake, but I have trouble deciphering your messages. The humor in this one went right over my head. Billy

18 years, 1 month

Mentec

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Firstly thank you all for your kind responses. I'm now up to date with the history. Does anybody know what the current status is? Have Mentec abandonded the pdp-11 market or what? If they no longer see any commercial value in the products then why refuse us? If the rights had not been sold then I supose that they would be owned by HP. HP do have a very good VMS hobbyist program. Join HPUG and you can get a FOC license for most things. To round things off. What is the situation with pdp-8's? Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa Sent: 04 May 2007 18:22 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Mentec Al Kossow wrote: > It sounds like Zane (maybe Tim Shoppa) have been in contact with them > recently, so there is no need for yet another set of people to be > involved. If "Recently" is "2000", then yes, I worked extensively with Mentec to make three sets of hobbyist CD's (RT-11, RSX-11, RSTS/E) using my archives and their archives to get bootable kits for emulators. > As I understand it, they have no interest in offering a low cost > license no matter how many people ask about it. Internally, there was interest, and I discussed it with several at Mentec in the 1996-2001 timeframe as I worked with them on other projects, and it got as far as them having a web page with pictures of the CD's I made for them. But no, not all the legal barriers were jumped, so it never really happened. I don't think anyone truly understands the legal barriers that Mentec faces. They do not own all the stuff free and clear to do with as they wish. In the late 90's, they could not sell a copy of any PDP-11 OS unless they also sold DEC's printed manuals with it, and they were having extreme troubles getting DEC's printed manuals from DEC's print shop. The folks in Mentec who were most enthusiastic about it were really nice, energetic people. I don't have any sore feelings about the work I did back then (I had a blast) but I don't have as much interest in the subject as I did ten years ago. Being out at the CHM last year rekindled it a little... but there's no shortage of truly redistributable and very-few-condition other stuff that I'm worrying about now. Tim.

18 years, 1 month

MacOS 6 on BasiliskII

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I have BasiliskII installed via apt on Ubuntu. I've sucessfully read and installed the 6.0.8 system disks as downloaded from Apple's archive. The rom images I have and have tried are for a Quadra650 and a Performa. BasiliskII doesn't like the Mac Plus rom. On boot, I get a complaint that this Mac is set for 32-bit addressing and that I should switch to 24-bit addressing (since os6 doesn't do 32-bitness). Clicking "24-bit" doesn't work. Does anyone here know how to get this working? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

18 years, 1 month

Hosstraders reborn

by James＠jdfogg.com

There used to be a New England ham radio show known as the "hosstraders" flea market, or the Deerfield show. It had morphed into a radio / computer flea market. There is a new annual ham radio / computer flea market show at the Deerfield facility this weekend. If anyone wants specifics drop me an email. James - "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"

18 years, 1 month

Unix disk copy using dd

by dm561＠torfree.net

On May 4, 2007, at 10:04 AM, M H Stein wrote: > I did indeed assume a filesystem; under what circumstances would a > Unix hard disk not have a file system? --------------- From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> One example is the use of a raw partition for, say, a database. This is not uncommon in Oracle installations, for example. From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> Informix does this also. It has a whole management subsystem for its "raw" dataspaces. From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> So do PostgreSQL, DB2 and many others. It's a fairly common feature. --------------- Well, yes; in fact I used to use Informix and still have disks & docs that I've been meaning to archive and/or re-install some day, but if I were asking how to copy a data partition I think I'd call it an Informix disk and not a Unix disk, since that would certainly have a bearing on the how-to. However, now that I re-read the header I can see that he could have meant "copy a disk using Unix" instead of "copy a Unix disk" (which is what I assumed he meant). What would life be without ambiguity... Now, back to Andy, the original poster: did your question get answered? m

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