I'm seeing a few messages where the text being replied to isn't quoted
(anything from Al and Billy Pettit it seems, but there have been one or two
others) other than a separating line beneath old and new text, making it
confusing at first glance (particularly where the actual line and reply might
be off the bottom of the screen).
Am I alone in this? I just wondered if it's something broken within my email
client (Thunderbird) and it's stopped rendering what it thinks is quoted text
properly for certain classes of messages.
99% of messages are fine though, and either get displayed with quote
characters or displayed with a solid coloured line to the left of the quoted
text. If it's just me I'll try and find the cause though; if it's not I'll
just put up with it :-)
cheers
Jules
> In article <B9639BAE3F34504E83FEEDD71D4AFB460A660A at mail.bensene.com>,
> "Rick Bensene" <rickb at bensene.com> writes:
>
> > [...] Wang is also
> > famous for purposefully putting errors into published schematics to
> > throw off competitors who would use such schematics to reverse-engineer
> > how the machines work. [...]
>
> Wow, I'd never heard that story before. Interesting!
>
> How many other companies did this back when schematics were pretty
> much leaving the machine laying naked in front of you?
This is a very old practice. Some of Babbage's drawings had
intentional errors. As I recall, he drew some parts in mirror image.
The group that did the difference engine reconstruction in London
ran into this. And the practice wasn't new when Babbage used
it.
BLS
Chuck, found this tangentially while attempting to find more about the
parametron, as per Dwight's message.
The Elliot 803 used core logic with solid-state amplifiers.
(Apparently core logic received more practical use than I thought, as well.)
Some description:
http://www.tech.port.ac.uk/staffweb/andersod/CCS/ShowPage.php?Page=19
Another description with diagram:
http://www.sli-institute.ac.uk/~bob/elliott803.htm
While it is AC-coupled, perhaps it is not what you were looking for, though.
The logic signal propagation still takes place in discrete, clocked, time
steps as opposed to continuous wave propagation, if that is an adequate
description of the distinction.
I just received my first SGI "iron" -- an Onyx Reality Engine 2 250
MHz.
However, the power connector is not your standard style of connector.
It has three prongs, arranged horizontally:
----
---- ----
I'm guessing that this implies it needs more than the rated 15A for a
standard outlet.
Any ideas where I can obtain the correct cord? Searching for "power
cord" on the net just returns too many hits...
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Jules Richardson Wrote:
I'm seeing a few messages where the text being replied to isn't quoted
(anything from Al and Billy Pettit it seems, but there have been one or two
others) other than a separating line beneath old and new text, making it
confusing at first glance (particularly where the actual line and reply
might
be off the bottom of the screen).
cheers
Jules
--------------------------------------------
Billy wrote:
In my case, it is because I reply using a copy from the web site. To keep
the number of emails down, I only receive digests. Yet often, I want to
respond to a message without wading through the digests. So I copy off the
web site, trim off the excess and comment below.
I'm active, more or less on 75+ elists. And when they get active, it means
100's of emails a day. So reading and responding is very selective. For
example, have you noticed how much activity there is on this list this week?
It's like everybody is rested up and full of piss and vinegar.
At the other extreme, some lists generate almost nothing. The paleobotany
list averages 8-10 messages a year. Some of the science fiction lists are
cyclical going from 100+ a day to 1-2 day and back again over a couple of
months.
Billy
On 25 Dec, 2006, at 10:28, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
>
> 1) Recordings of 2nd generation (or even before, if they exist)
> mainframes making tunes. There are a few recordings out there, and I
> may be getting some help from CHM for more.
>
There some are old recordings of my 2nd generation mainframe at :
http://ict1301.co.uk/13010520.htm
I also have a fuller set of 33 files in .aiff format which the files
on the web site were derived from.
These were recorded from audio cassette tapes which are about 30
years old but
seem to sound the same as I remember them.
The programs to make the music is on punched cards and the card
reader is currently
unreliable and I don't want to risk the card decks reading them in as
I only have one set.
The sound came from the built in speaker, which is pulsed once for
every two conditional
branch instructions.
I used to write pen plotter drivers for the Macintosh and there were
some plotters made by Watanabe
(later renamed GrafTec) which were suitable for music. The x and y
axes were driven by noisy stepper
motors. The speed was programmable and when drawing a large circle
you could hear the stepper motors
make a rising and falling tone as the angle changed. That is, drawing
a 45 degree line the two motors
worked at the same speed, and when drawing a horizontal/vertical line
only one motor would be working
For angles in between the tone would vary depending on the angle. The
slower cheaper plotters made
a grating sound but the faster more expensive ones were very melodic,
though I never got around to
programming them to make music myself, I would not be surprised if
somebody did.
Roger Holmes
Richard wrote:
> Does anyone have a machine with an Clipper RISC cpu in it?
Intergraph's Interpro series (such as the 225) had both a Clipper and
an 80186, and could run CLIX as well as MS-DOS. IIRC, when running with
the 186, the Clipper is programmed to act as an FPU! These machines were
unusual for their time. The keyboard and mouse plug into the monitor,
and the configuration system is mouse-driven. I'm not sure if it's in ROM
or loaded from a reserved part of the hard drive. Their keyboard has a
hard disk access LED and a bunch of extra keys.
These machines seem to have been used mainly by government contractors,
and they're not terribly common, but there are certainly some in the hands
of collectors.
-- Adam
>
>Subject: Re: back to the AGC, was Re: TTL 7400's Available
> From: Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca>
> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:29:50 -0800
> To: General at priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net,
> "Discussion at priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net":On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>Allison wrote:
>
>> >(And it confirmed that the AGC was constructed from a single gate/IC type.)
>>
>> That statement I believe is in error. While the logic used was RTL and a
>> single family type the logic elements for that family by the mid 60s were
>> more diverse than just a two input NOR. My junkbox contains parts from
>
>There are now two, perhaps three, sources from the period that indicate it was
>a single gate/IC type: a dual 3-input NOR in 10-pin flat-pak. Read the
>document Chuck ref'ed above (although there do seem to be some
>mis-rememberings in there such as LCD instead of EL displays). I'm well aware
>of the state of RTL/IC development at the time, but high-reliabiliy design
>doesn't necessarily correlate with whats current in the rest of the industry.
>Keep in mind the design started years before 1967/8. The IC spec sheets are
>dated 1965.
Around early '66 a friend that whose father worked for Grumman and NASA
gave me several of the 10 pin flat packs with info. They were indeed
3input NOR but, he also provided a RS-FF in the same package. They sat
in my collection for years until they were lost in a move.
Shortly after that a neighbor that worked for Airborne and he brought me
an engineering junk box that contained fairchild uL9xx parts galore plus
a lot of aerospace qualified transistors. It was then I started
working on understanding logic and how useful those RTL parts were.
As to displays LEDs were indeed available in the mid 60s though they
were not bright and the only color was red. I also have Burroughs
Nixies from then and a 40 character selfscan from the era. I'd never
seen EL used in anything other than backlight. There was also VF (vacuum
florescent) displays as they were easily driven with available transistors.
One of the problems then with transistors was low (usually less than 60V)
breakdown voltage and most common devices were more like 25V. That
complicates drivers for HV displays. Though for a price there were a
lot of things available than were new or low volume.
Allison