test-drb June 2006

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by jdavis＠soupwizard.com

(this is a resend of prior reply with no subject) Jochen Kunz (jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) wrote: > The small desktop 3000-300 machines use PS/2 RAM. The large desktop and > tower machines like 3000-500 / -600 use proprietary SIMMs. I used to have a dec 3000-800, nice machine. Wish I'd kept it when I moved. IIRC, the proprietary simms were used on a 256 bit wide memory path, so that series had pretty zippy memory for it's time, much faster than the 3000-300 machines (if you could find the propietary memory). And the bigger machines used more power. Found a good listing of the dec 3000 machines here: http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html Short version: small low-end machines (used 72pin parity simms) were: * DEC 3000/300 * DEC 3000/300L * DEC 3000/300X * DEC 3000/300LX high-end machines (used propietary simms) were: * DEC 3000/400 * DEC 3000/500 * DEC 3000/600 * DEC 3000/700 * DEC 3000/800 * DEC 3000/900 Jeff Davis

18 years, 1 month

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by jdaviscctalk＠soupwizard.com

Jochen Kunz (jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) wrote: > The small desktop 3000-300 machines use PS/2 RAM. The large desktop and > tower machines like 3000-500 / -600 use proprietary SIMMs. I used to have a dec 3000-800, nice machine. Wish I'd kept it when I moved. IIRC, the proprietary simms were used on a 256 bit wide memory path, so that series had pretty zippy memory for it's time, much faster than the 3000-300 machines (if you could find the propietary memory). And the bigger machines used more power. Found a good listing of the dec 3000 machines here: http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html Short version: small low-end machines (used 72pin parity simms) were: * DEC 3000/300 * DEC 3000/300L * DEC 3000/300X * DEC 3000/300LX high-end machines (used propietary simms) were: * DEC 3000/400 * DEC 3000/500 * DEC 3000/600 * DEC 3000/700 * DEC 3000/800 * DEC 3000/900 Jeff Davis

18 years, 1 month

Top Posting and Message Trimming

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

On 14 Jun, 2006, at 05:22, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > OTOH, it's pointless in this environment and contributes to a > significant > fraction of a message sent, so is just a total waste of space. I > would have > thought it's obvious though that people object to the companies > that see the > need to do this, not to the individual who posts to the list :-) > > I suppose the mailing list software could strip *all* signatures > from anything > posted in order to save bandwidth, but that's hardly fair on those > who have > legitimate, *useful* information in their sigs :-( Though I am not worried about this a thought occurs, if someone cannot suppress a footer, they could add a key line before the footer - something like " End of message " which could be recognised automatically and the key and everything following it could be trimmed. But don't lose sleep about it, short footers, top posting etc don't bother me, though on other lists the replies to digests quoting the whole digest drive me mad. Roger Holmes

18 years, 1 month

Question for the list

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

On 14 Jun, 2006, at 05:17, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > Billy Pettit wrote: >> But let's ask the list: is there anybody else out there or that >> you know >> who buys a product only if it has repair documentation available? Yes, in 1992 I ordered a new (1993 model year) Jaguar XJ6 3.2 on the condition that a printed workshop manual be supplied as well. Jaguar accepted the order through the local main dealer and I was the first person to get a copy of the five volume set, one whole volume of which was circuit schematics. > > Since I have 0% electronics repair skills, no. > >> And as a corollary, do you only buy products you want to run 20 >> years? Yes, on my desk in regular use is a Sharp eLSI mate four function calculator with LED display, which was the best of my 21st birthday presents in 1974. I collect classic cars, I have cars built in 1964,66,69,72,87 and 93. I bought the 87 and 93 ones new, and my father bought the 69 Daimler in 1970. >> Or >> can you accept a product as being expendable? How long should a >> computer >> part last? Sometimes, if they are really cheap or will be rarely used, but tools, cars, houses and other fairly slow moving technologies I expect to last a long time. The point with most computers is that the technology moves forwards so fast that I can move ALL my old data onto a new machine with plenty of room to spare every one or two years, and also get a faster machine with more RAM etc. What I lose out on is things like my collection of old games which were written for the Motorola 68000 which would run on my PowerPC but I can no longer dabble in on my Intel based MacBook Pro. I also find some old word processing and drawing documents which are in proprietry format become unreadable, which is why I now store all long term text document as plain ASCII, which I think will continue to be readable for a few years yet even though Unicode may sometime replace it. Roger Holmes.

18 years, 1 month

HP 264x terminal status

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I talked to the guy with the HP terminals just before the holiday. He said he was prepared to go ahead with the deal for $20 per item. However he said he wanted to wait until he had a chance to get final counts on each model, etc. After not hearing for him a while, I emailed him a week ago and asked if he got the counts yet. He gave me a really long reply, saying how he wished he never saw those terminals and just wanted to pitch them - and that he was just "turned around and confused". I emailed him said "I can make them go away, someone will come and pick them up..." and he never bothered to respond. Given his handling of this, I am going to assume the bulk purchase deal is off. I tried, my apologies. What irks me is that I publicly posted on this list saying to give the guy a chance when he was slow on delivery and wanted me to "interceed" for him. Jay West

18 years, 1 month

Fwd: RE: [miniature-machine-tools] Re: email spam propagation on Yahoo

by rtellason＠verizon.net

Old tech wins! :-) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: RE: [miniature-machine-tools] Re: email spam propagation on Yahoo Date: Wednesday 14 June 2006 01:36 pm From: "Collins, Graham" <colling at navcanada.ca> To: <miniature-machine-tools at yahoogroups.com> There was a segment on the Tonight Show some time ago were Jay Lenno had two groups of individuals; a couple of old "HAM Radio" operators and a couple of young "technophiles" whose challenge was to send a short message between themselves and who could send it the fastest. The Ham's used morse code and the techies used the modern "Text Messaging" on their cell phones. The techies were supposed to be a couple of the "fastest" text messagers around. The message I seem to recall was a single sentence - "I just saved a bundle on my car insurance". The two old ham's using ancient morse code won hands down. Cheers, Graham in Embrun near Ottawa Canada -----Original Message----- From: miniature-machine-tools at yahoogroups.com [mailto:miniature-machine-tools at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Spangle Sent: June 14, 2006 13:24 To: miniature-machine-tools at yahoogroups.com Subject: [miniature-machine-tools] Re: email spam propagation on Yahoo I guess it is what I thought, when I said "WEB" I meant HTML based access. lets all go back to the old days and use a regular mail client, I'm sick of my WEB-based e-mail for my old foundry site as well. Better yet, let's just use telegraph's, and tap out the binary code, shouldn't take long right? ;-) Hope nobody lost any data due to this, Thanks again, Jason. > The virus is a problem in the Java code used for > Yahoo's online email. We went to snopes.com to look > up the threat. You can read more information below. > > http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/newgraphic.asp > > Richard > @homemetalshop.com ------------------------------------------------------- -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin

18 years, 1 month

Need 11/34 parts breakdown

by fireflyst＠earthlink.net

Hi all, Does anyone here have the illustrated parts breakdown for the 11/34a? (DEC part EK-34A52-IP) I need the bracket mounting page to see what parts I'm missing. Thanks Julian

18 years, 1 month

FTGH: NCD-14c

by dgy＠DakotaCom.Net

Hi, I have a working NCD-14c that could use a new home. I still have to finish documenting it but, thereafter, it's free for cost of shipping (plus packing materials as I will probably have to pack it in foam, etc.) from 85715. If there is some interest in it, I will be considerably LESS aggressive in my documentation efforts. If *no* interest, I may tear it down to the foils... I'll wait a week before getting into it. --don

18 years, 1 month

SBC6120 (a build-it-yourself PDP-8 clone) Last Buy and End of Life

by bob＠jfcl.com

SBC6120 Last Buy and End of Life If you've never heard of it before, the SBC6120 is a PDP-8 clone, including an optional front panel, that you build yourself http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120-2.htm http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120_Front_Panel.htm Spare Time Gizmos has been selling kits for them since 2001. Last November I announced that I was running low on SBC6120 parts and that I wasn't planning to buy any more http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sparetimegizmos/message/110 and the last kit was shipped to a gentleman in France at the end of March. Since the web page was updated to show them as "Sold Out", I've been inundated with requests. Apparently people thought that Spare Time Gizmos would keep selling the SBC6120 forever :-) I really wish I could, but given the minimum orders for some of the parts and the rate at which it was selling, it would take years to sell off the inventory. I just can't afford to have that much money tied up waiting for somebody to buy it. But, we can do one "last buy" for the SBC6120s, if we can get enough people together to make the minimum orders for 6120 chips, bus connectors, and PC boards. If all the people who have emailed me recently sign up, then that should be more than enough! The last buy will be for a SBC6120 partial kit that will include: * A four layer, silk screened, solder masked PC board * The HD6120 chip and 3 HM6208 SRAM chips * The special stacking bus connector I don't know exactly how much this kit will cost - it will depend on the price I can get for the parts - but I estimate that its going to be around $150. All the rest of the parts used in the SBC6120 are modern, easily found parts and there's a complete list, with suppliers, in the back of the manual http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/SBC6120.pdf Pre-programmed EPROMs and GALs, if you need them, are also available from the Spare Time Gizmos web page. I may also sell full kits of all parts (I used to before I ran out) if there is enough demand. BTW, the SBC6120 is an entirely "open" design. All the schematics, firmware, and GAL programming is GPLed and available from the web page. If you're interested, email me and I'll sign you up on a list, and if we get enough orders then I'll let everybody on the list know the details. Oh, one last thing for people in the EU, the SBC6120 parts are not RoHS compliant and it's not likely they ever will be. If you want one, you'd better get it before July 1st! Thanks, Bob Armstrong Spare Time Gizmos www.SpareTimeGizmos.com

18 years, 1 month

Looking for Motorola Boot disks

by g-wright＠worldnet.att.net

Hi, I have a few Motorola systems that still lack a boot disk. I believe they had a diagnostic/boot disk for the VME systems that worked on a few different systems, but I may be wrong. The first 2 ran VERSAdos - VME/10 5 1/4 - VME 1131 5 1/4 - EXORciser 8" Thanks, In advance - jerry

18 years, 1 month

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test-drb June 2006