> When one is dealing with 70's-era personal computers, does rarity
> play any part in the valuation?
>
> Cheers,
> Chuck
I haven't seen a lot of correlation between rarity and valuation. A quick
example is the Altair vs the Lobo Drives Max-80. The numbers I've heard for the
Altair are in the range of 25,000 produced while there were only about 5000
Max-80s produced.
There seems to be a lot more correlation between publicity and valuation.
Ebay gives a good idea of what the market is like *for those people who deal on
ebay*. Judging the value only by looking at the final price can be greatly
misleading ... there are a few people who bid the thing to death rather than
snipe or bid what they are willing to pay on the *FIRST* bid. When looking at
pricing, I almost always go to the bidders list to see what is actually going
on.
> Speaking of builds and terminals, anyone interested in creating a
> Beehive TTL terminal replica? ;-)
Now that the docs are on line, I would think a KENBAK-1 would be more
interesting, and that only needs two MOS shift registers, as opposed to most
terminals which had frame and line buffer shift registers.
Hello,
Will you please remove me from the list for the time being. I am having trouble keeping up with all the mail! The email to remove is
pds3 at ix.netcom.com
Thank you,
Shannon Hoskins.
there is an FPP-12 on ebay that expires tomorrow (Monday at 9am) It
looks to be in excellent
condition with documentaition.
Hope someone can get this beast for their collection. Anyone interested
in PDP8's or lots of
flip chips should bring this up and take a look anyway, there are 12
ranks of card edge connectors
and a great wire wrap backplane photo, for those that just like the photos.
Located at a gold scrapper in Atlanta, GA
Jim
290047654838
Oops, I meant Bruce Damer of the DigiBarn, not Bruce Draper. Also, on
Sunday, the ?room? was the workshop room just off the front lobby of the
museum. This is where all of the workshops were held. I will have my
pictures up on my website soon. As far as our flight back, we hung out at
the San Jose airport from about 6:00pm until 9:30pm, taking off at
10:00pm. We landed in Newark, NJ at about 6:00am EST (five hour flight).
Had a two and a half hour lay-over, then two hours to Jacksonville, FL. We
were pretty burned-out by then. Best everyone, David
David Greelish
classiccomputing.com
The Classic Computing Podcast
Home of Computer History Nostalgia
Stan Veit's History of the Personal Computer
Audio Book Podcast
All:
Does anyone have a pointer handy to utilities for merging and
splitting ROM images? I have two EPROMs (high and low) that I need to merge
into a single image for disassembly. Ultimately I'll need to re-split the
image.
Thanks!
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
Web site: <http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/>
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
Web site: http://www.altair32.com/
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> >Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
> > >At 1:27 AM -0500 11/10/06, Curtis H. Wilbar Jr. wrote:
> >
> >> but I wouldn't be surprised if a few PDP11s are
> >> still doing some oddball stuff out there).
> >
> > They're still around in various settings, industrial, scientific,
> > business, etc. They're used for such things as electron
microscopes,
> > spectrum analyzers, controlling parts of nuclear plants, etc.,
> > PDP-11's are still big business. In some cases it's because they're
> > still working, why spend the money to replace, in others it would
> > simply cost more to replace than it does to keep them running
> > (typically places where qualifying new HW/SW can cost insane amounts
> > of money).
>
It's not so long since I visited the Indian Space Agency in Bangalore
and they were using a couple of pdp11/34s to control their satellite
test rig.
I just found a cheap NCR monitor mv0951a in a trashbin. Really small and
compact so I snatched/saved it and brought it to the lab. Seems to be VGA
but when i bent down to plug it in, I noticed it had a non-standard AC
plug with 3 small blades! wtf? no one here recognizes it. I'm googling
now. It would be a great little lab monitor if it's not 220v or
some alien design.
-Matt
spliffrd at inch.comspliffrd.livejournal.com
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> 1. Re: lisadraw (Jules Richardson)
> 2. Re: VCF 9.0 (Vincent Slyngstad)
> 3. Re: VCF 9.0 (David Betz)
> 4. TRS-80 Mod 16 on ePay (Chuck Guzis)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:55:33 -0600
> From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: lisadraw
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
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> Jim Leonard wrote:
>> Jules Richardson wrote:
>>> Hmm, not so sure. This laptop's running at 266MHz with 192MB of memory
>>> and Openoffice under Linux really struggles[1]; I could believe that a
>>
>> Stop right there. Openoffice is the source of that bloat; not a good
>> example for blaming the OS in the previous example. Run ps to see how
>> bad the damage is.
>
> Oh, I know it is - but so is MS Word, so it seems fair to compare one bloated
> word processor with another :-) My point was really that I can believe that a
> 'modern' word processor could bring a circa-300MHz machine to its knees easily
> enough.
>
> So I'm not really blaming the OS at all, just the wp software (except that in
> the Word case, it's still Microsoft's fault :-)
>
> cheers
>
> Jules
>
> --
> And if eight out of ten cats all prefer whiskas
> Do the other two prefer Leslie Judd?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:43:58 -0800
> From: "Vincent Slyngstad" <vrs at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: VCF 9.0
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
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>
> From: "Jules Richardson" <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk>
>> My suspicions:
>>
>> 1) Any given VCF is way too far away for the majority to attend.
>
> That's why we're interested :-).
>
>> 2) Pictures and technical info on systems can be found on the 'net
>> already.
>> 3) Discussions (and banter) with system owners can be regularly be had
>> here already.
>
> Maybe the show talk all happened somewhere else, and I missed it?
>
>> ... hence for most people a VCF discussion just serves no purpose, unlike
>> in the early days when it was something new and different to talk about
>> (and hence popular discussion even amongst non-attendees)
>
> I thought there were going to be some cool workshops and stuff. Didn't
> anyone build anything at the workshops? Or maybe everyone did, so it
> didn't seem like a big deal?
>
>> I don't think there's anything wrong with the show(s), or with the list -
>> it's just that now it's an 'old' concept there's less interest from the
>> people who won't be / weren't there.
>
> Surely there's still *something* controversial or interesting about them!
>
> Vince
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:57:39 -0500
> From: David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.com>
> Subject: Re: VCF 9.0
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
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>
>
>> I thought there were going to be some cool workshops and stuff. Didn't
>> anyone build anything at the workshops? Or maybe everyone did, so it
>> didn't seem like a big deal?
>
> I built both the Replica 1 SE (and got it signed by Woz!) and the ELF
> 2K. Both projects were fun and resulted in working boards. I'm now in
> the process of adding some of the optional parts to my ELF 2K (like
> the serial port and EPROM). Unfortunately, I missed the Apple 30th
> celebration because it happened at the same time as the ELF workshop. :-(
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:37:16 -0800
> From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
> Subject: TRS-80 Mod 16 on ePay
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Message-ID: <45583CCC.29669.1F1C673B at cclist.sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Just thought I'd drop a note to the list that I've got a TRS-80 Model
> 16 on eBay, item 320048603503.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> End of cctalk Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33
> **************************************
>
Checking to see if anyone out there has any of the following they would be
willing to part with... and if so, how much/etc...
VT78 (also known as W/T78 Word Terminal if memory serves me correct)
DecMate II
DecMate III+
PDP8/e
PDP8/f
PDP11/73, PDP11/83, or PDP11/93
DEC Professional Workstation 380 (PRO-380)
or other suitable (not overly LARGE) PDP11 class box for home
How bout an XKL TOAD-1 :-) ?
-- Curt
Great post - thanks for the in depth report. Sad to have missed it but
now have some sense of what it was like to be there.
-W
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:27:44 -0500 (EST)
> From: "David Greelish" <david at classiccomputing.com>
> Subject: Re: VCF 9.0
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Message-ID: <22875.208.255.229.66.1163446064.squirrel at wm2>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I would like to write about the show, it can also serve as a
> good prep for my next podcast where I will be talking about
> it. So, you asked for it!
>
[snip]
