test-drb November 2006

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452 discussions

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

________________________________ From: Rod Smallwood Sent: 16 November 2006 08:01 To: 'cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org' Subject: Vax 4000-200 - The Saga continues Hi And thanks again for all the suggestions Having successfully reset tht SYSTEM password (Here's how) * 1. Once at the SYSBOOT prompt, request that OpenVMS read the system startup commands directly from the system console, that the window system (if any) not be started, and that OpenVMS not record these particular parameter changes for subsequent system reboots: 1. SET/STARTUP OPA0: SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0 SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0 CONTINUE * 1. At the $ prompt, the system will now be accepting startup commands directly from the console. Type the following two DCL commands: 1. $ SPAWN $ @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP 1. You should now see the dollar ($) prompt of DCL. The result of these two commands will be the normal system startup, but you will be left logged in on the console, running under a fully privileged username. Without the use of the SPAWN command, you would be logged out when the startup completes. Perform the task(s) required, such as resetting the password on the SYSTEM username as described in Section 5.6.1 <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/vmsfaq_007.html#mgmt5a> or registering one or more license product authorization keys (PAKs) as described in Section 5.6.2 <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/vmsfaq_007.html#mgmt5b> . 2. Once you log out of this session, the system will complete the startup and can be used normally. You can choose to reboot the system, but that is not necessary. This is mostly correct.... But what they don't say is the system gets left in a minimum condition. In my case only the drive it booted from ie no 2/3rd drives, no tape and no ethernet devices. Under the low level prompt (>>>) all devices are shown as present. i.e. DIA0 (RF71), DIA1 (RF72), DIA2 (RF72) MUA0 (Tape) and EZA0 (ethernet) OK so lets try reversing the commands at the SYSBOOT prompt SYSBOOT> SET/STARTUP SYS$SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM;2 SYSBOOT> SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 1 SYSBOOT> SET WRITESYSPARAMS 1 SYSBOOT> CONTINUE startup begins, Then the following errors: invalid logical name previous value of SYSUAF has been superseded error opening SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BT$DEFINE_SYSTEMS.COM; as input file not found ON MIN OR UPGRADE START UP CLUE IS NOT RUN Then a load of OPCOM messages Then.... minimum system startup, security server not started Then some system stats and finally a Username: login OK .. I login and am still in minimum mode. I can't see anything in the online docs to cover this. If anybody does know where the answer is a link would be nice. Rod I have had a go at the VMS online manual but can't see anything related to this. If anybody does know of a reference could that send me a link

18 years, 1 month

PDP-11/44 problem - RUN stays on

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Yesterday evening I had a look at my sick 11/44. The notes I had kept said that the VT100 displays "?CP didn't start". I already knew that this is the typical bus hang condition, so I opened the BA11 box. I was surprised to see the FP11 board (I did not know I had that one), but I also saw that the last slot of the CPU backplane has a G727 ... I remember that in that quad slot had been the TU80 controller, sure an NPR device. So, I pulled the G727 and inserted a G7273, and pushed all other boards firmly into place. A few boards actually moved a little (say, 1 mm). Powering up ... the 11/44 shows the ">>>" prompt and is responsive, but I was too lazy to unlock the heads of the RA81 and tension the motor/spindle belt. The RA81 is the boot device for the 11/44. The system has an RL02 so I tried >>>B DL0: but then the 11/44 shows on the VT100 "no such PROM" (IIRC, or something close like this). OK, I was glad not to see "?CP didn't start" anymore, and I turned off the machine. Half an hour later I had thought of entering the boot code for the RL02, so I turned the 11/44 back on. However, ... besides the DC ON light, the RUN light stays ON too. I am sure the RUN light should go OFF. It does not matter if the switch is in the HALT or CONT position at power up. The VT100 only displays: (Console V3.40C) (Program) and nothing more, no ">>>" prompt anymore! Also, the FAULT lamp on the RL02 drive stays ON. In the normal behaviour, the FAULT lamp is OFF, and if you toggle the switch to the "BOOT" position, the FAULT lamp will flash ON briefly. The TK50 (also connected to the 11/44) flashes the red push button lamp and after a few seconds the red lamp goes OFF and the green LED goes ON. Now, in its faulty state the TK50 still behaves the same when I push the switch to the BOOT position, but the RL02 drive keeps the FAULT light ON. As the FAULT lamp stays ON of the RL02, I am *guessing* that the 11/44 does not issue a "reset", keeping the CPU hung, and the RL11 controller ...? Where do I start? What are the obvious things in this machine? Don't read this line Tony. I have 2 spare set 11/44 CPUs. thanks for any hints! - Henk, PA8PDP. This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

18 years, 1 month

vax/vms file archival ideas and suggestions

by trash3＠splab.cas.neu.edu

Hi all, I must be missing something, but I have not found a good way to preserve a bunch of vax/vms files. I've looked at VMSZip, Gzip, VMSTar, etc, and I must be missing something. Here is what I am trying to do: Before my vax finally dies, I want to take the hundred or so TK50s I have and restore them to the hard drive and then move them to PC-land for long term storage. This is halfway done with the tapes that are easily readable. I now have a bunch of directories, one for each tape, with files in them on the VAX. So the tree is only two levels deep on the vax. The files are pretty mixed: backup files, savesets, distributions, text files, etc. Right now the files amount to about 2Gb. Now, the environment is: VAX 3100-30 with SCSI external. THis is where I hooked up the TK70 (TZ30?) to read the tapes. I have network access and can get to it via FTP and TELNET from elsewhere, namely my PC. I also have a bunch of different SCSI tape drives, 8mm, 4mm, 9 track, etc. So, I could transfer all the files if I could containerize (zip) them. Do I try to Zip them somehow (what program) and FTP them, or do I just write them to duplicate disks/tapes and throw them on a shelf, hoping I have a machine to read them in the future? I'm usually pretty good with this stuff, having been around the VMS world for a few decades, but I just have this memory block, or the blinders are on. Any suggestions? Thanks Joe Heck

18 years, 1 month

wtd tandy 6000. sanyo mbc-xxx, tektronix tc-2000

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

some trades possible. Also want Zenith Z-100 and related stuph ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

18 years, 1 month

OT: PS3 (was Re: More ePay madness)

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- jim stephens <jwstephens at msm.umr.edu> wrote: > > I personally would spend it on a house on the bay > out here in LA > or such, and spend the extra $$ to get a PS-III, > though I have no > plans to get one now. > > The lines outside Fry's have been around since > Tuesday according to > some guys I talked to there today, I guess they go > on sale tomorrow. > > I'd just like one of the Cell processors, forget t he > game, to play with, > and a linux distro to run on it. > >> snip << > > jim > LOL. Bwahahahahaha! You'd be *very* lucky to get one. Only 84,000 units were sold in Japan on Saturday (100,000 were originally promised) and now recent comments from industry analysts suggest that only 100,000 to 150,000 units will be available at launch (originally Sony promised 400,000). Sony's original target was to ship 2 million by the end of December and 6 million by the end of March. They are looking like they will miss both targets at present. As for The Cell, I believe only 7 of the 8 cores will be fully functional on most machines, unless Sony fixed the reliability issue. Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

18 years, 1 month

Practical question on valuation of old systems

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

Dave (and all), I agree with you 100% I just won an LNW-80 Computer on eBay. I've been trying to win one for YEARS!!! I probably paid more than I could afford for it. But, I'd had enough at losing auctions. It's not the Model II I wanted, but a Model I (as far as I can tell). I used to work for "Stoney Clove Computer Center" in NYC that was a dealer for LNW computers, and also for Percom. I bought my Percom Doubler for my Model I from them in 1981 and then, went to work for them in 1982. I also worked for Lawrence S, Epstein Associates that also sold LNW-80 Computers and Corvus Hard Drives and Networks. I was never smart enough to put one on Layaway either time. An LNW-80 Model II has been my "Holy Grail" for at least 20 years. The Model I is the next best thing. The only other pieces of computer equipment I'd like to have (that I consider "grails") are: - A BeBox (Which will now be my next target of opportunity) - A Trash Compactor Board (A TRS-80 Model III Clone that fits in a Model I case) - A Hydra Card (A Mac Plus on an ISA card that works in a PC) - A 20th Century Macintosh - A G4 Cube - A Color NeXT Station (which I know I can buy from several vendors or on eBay. I stupidly passed one up for $50.00 at a computer show). Nobody knows about the Trash Compactor, and I can't find all the docs I used to have about it. It might be a figment of my imagination... But, when that LNW-80 gets here... I'll probably cry like a baby too... Here's hoping that my Model I disks are still good and will boot the thing. I found my masters of Multi-DOS and DoubleDOS, and somewhere I have masters for DOSPlus, NewDOS/80 and TRS-DOS. I bought 100 360k disks, so the first thing is to make backup copies and label them nice. I'm going to try putting a 720k 3.5" drive on it (which ought to work well) and make bootable 3.5" disks just so I have more sturdy backups. Since it comes with an LNDoubler, I'm hoping it's the 8"/5.25" kind that might let me put 1.2mb/1.44mb Drives on it... My friend Tom and I are going to spend an afternoon sometime in the future repairing my Model I TRS-80 and get it working again. It's festooned with upgrades from Dennis Bathory Kitz's book (Reset Switch, Lowercase, Composite Video out, Alpha Joystick compatible port, Turbo Mod with Tri-Color LED, built in speaker and amplifier, External KB connector). In fact, those mods let me identify it twice after it had been stolen. Al Phila, PA Dave McGuire wrote: Every collector or enthusiast has their own reasons for their interest in this hobby, and those reasons usually define what specific machines they're interested in. Myself, I will pay top dollar (if I'm able) in order to get my hands on a machine that I lusted after during my childhood. For example, in my teens, I desperately wanted a Ferguson BigBoard but couldn't afford one. I saw those ads every month in BYTE and just drooled and drooled. Now, I'd just about kill to get one, even though they're really not all THAT rare...I just haven't managed to find one that's available yet. Earlier than that, I drooled over the TRS-80 Model I in the Radio Shack catalogs, back when that model was current. A kind Radio Shack employee once took me aside and showed me around the system when they were first introduced. I wanted one so badly I could practically taste it. I begged and pleaded, but my family did not have a lot of money, and I was never able to get one. I finally got one on eBay about a year ago...fortunately I didn't have to pay a lot of money for it, but I tell you, I nearly cried when I opened that box. I think I only paid about $30 for it...but frankly I'd have paid a LOT more than that if I'd had to, probably up to $1K or maybe even more, because I had deeply personal reasons for wanting it. Now of course, this is classiccmp, where ANY statement of ANY monetary value of more than a few dollars for ANY piece of old computer hardware is usually met with unbelievable amounts of vitriol and ridicule, that may draw some laughter or even doubts of my sanity...but that's the honest truth. We all have our reasons. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Cape Coral, FL

18 years, 1 month

Amigas don't turn on

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

when their parts are strewn about 3 or more states. Cpu (got that), p/s, mouse (I think my 600 came with a mouse), monitor cable (never could figure that one out), and monitor (nice one too). And turning it on would be efficacious in producing what result Golan? I'm doubtful the rom code wouldn't scroll across my screen if I did. You didn't have to tell me how to do it, no obligation there. But you didn't have to hurt me either. I did have it on once come to think, but I plugged it into a mini tv-vcr. That cable it came with just wasn't working out for me. Looked ok. There wasn't alot of 'Miga talk lately. I figured I provoke some. I think I'll think twice next time. Golan, your last name sounds almost as German as the people I come from (in part). I don't give out such personal information on the web though. It helps to be paranoid in this godless day and age yer know. Nice to keep a few secrets besides. And no, said last name does not begin with an "H". Good grief. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

18 years, 1 month

Need Docs for XT RAM Board...

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

A friend gave me a Magitronic XT RAM Card. It's an 8-bit ISA Full length card with 8 sets of 9 sockets. It's totally unpopulated. It has 8 position DIP Switch. Currently all but #5 are off. It has two Magitronic Stickers. One has the number 606 and the other 0687 I'm assuming this board populates with 4116 chips for a total of 128k or 4164 chips for a total of 512k I have an original XT board with 256k on it and I want to take it up to 640k total. I'm hoping I can put 4 sets of 4116 and 4 sets of 4164 on here for 384k. So, any help with a copy of the manual or link to the same would be much appreciated. I have an Oak 8 Bit VGA card in the XT that not only handles VGA but also does EGA/CGA/MGA/MDA. I have a couple of these cards, and they are like gold to me. I'm looking out for a high density disk controller for an XT so I can put one 1.44mb drive on it for data transfer. But, it will be fun to run an XT again... Al Phila, PA P.S.: Still looking for an LNW-80 Model I or Model II CPU, and a power supply for a Laser 512 XT (like the Laser 128 Apple II Clone).

18 years, 1 month

Any MVME hobbyists here?

by mnusa2＠hotmail.com

> Do you have any hardware documentation for them? Specifically I'm >interested in I/O addresses and such, as I'd love to throw some code in >EPROMs and do some low-level hacking with them. If You have separate memory boards they are probably pre-mvme147. There I have mvme130/131 and mvme141 schemantics + docs. Some pdf and some tif - files. _________________________________________________________________ Nyt l?yd?t etsim?si tiedot nopeasti niin koneeltasi kuin netist?. http://toolbar.msn.fi

18 years, 1 month

FW: Silent 700 Model 707

by lager57＠yahoo.com

What is that pinout for the Acoustic Coupler port for the TI 707? There are 6-pins (2 rows of 3). What is TX, RX, GND? Is is Async, or is ther clock? Any control leads? Any information is appreciated. Joe Klapatch Galloway, NJ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. Www.nextag.com

18 years, 1 month

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