>
>Subject: Bit of CP/M trivia needed
> From: "Brian Knittel" <brian at quarterbyte.com>
> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:58:01 -0700
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>Hi all,
>
>Does anybody out there know for certain when the
>term BIOS was coined? I believe it was Gary Kildall,
>and from what I can find, it was around 1978 that
>he abstracted the I/O and localized it in what
>he called the BIOS. Anyone know differently?
The term BIOS is older, early '77. It came into use with
V1.3 I think and for cetertain in V1.4.
>Also -- was the BIOS stored on the CP/M
>floppy, or was it in ROM/EPROM? If not, how
>did CP/M machines boot? Was there a dedicated
>boot ROM that was used just for startup, and
>then the BIOS took over? I had one back in
>the day, but I sure can't remember this detail.
The easy answer is yes. Tranditional CP/M systems the
CCP/BDOS and BIOS were on the first two reserved tracks
of the floppy (8" SSSD) and those were loaded by a boot
rom.
Other implmentations from V2 on it was easily to store
the BIOS in ROM and use that to boot the system.
>This is for a writing project, so I'd like
>to get it right,
>
>Thanks!
>Brian
Thre is much myth, and misinformation of old cpm. Much of
it was from people that had never used or never been there
(in time) and their sense of reference is the PC rather
than what came before.
Allison
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone might know where I can get the logo artwork
reproduced for the front on my Altair 680. This was an original computer
my late brother bought as a kit back in the 70's. I helped him build
this and we sure had some fun programming this. I'm finally getting
around to restoring this. I dug it out from the last trip visiting them.
All my stuff was stored in their garage since we moved. The logo
silkscreen has faded away alot there's nothing left that resembles a
logo. I was hoping there is some way to restore this, either by
replacing the front panel or getting this repainted(or silkscreened). In
the meantime, I can get the hardware cleaned up and hopefully get this
to run again.
thanks,
=Dan
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All:
I just got another load of BYTE magazines, all of which are spares:
1982: full year
1984: 1-3, 7, 11
1985: 9, 10
1986: 12
1987: 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
I need a few BYTEs to fill out my collection: 1/77, 6/80, 1/86,
3/86. Contact me off-list if interested.
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Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
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>Subject: OT: Outlook 2000 woes & this list
> From: "Jules Richardson" <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:54:33 +0100
> To: "xx_classiccmp" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>
>OK OK pretty OT even for me, but I figure some of you others must have
>wrestled with this abortion of a MUA and this list so have overcome the same
>problem I have right now...
>
>(I'm currently over in sunny MN on the laptop, otherwise I'd be snug at home
>with a decent OS and mail client :)
>
>All classiccmp messages appear in the message list with the correct sender
>name (or sender email address if the author's MUA didn't send a 'friendly'
>name along with the address). That much is fine. However in Outlook's
>preview pane the From: address always appears as
>'cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org' rather than the sender (no other MUA I've
>ever used with this list has ever done that!)
>
>If I double-click on a list message to open in its own window, then I get
>something different yet again - in the From: field something like:
>"cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org; on behalf of; Jules Richardson
>[julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk]"
>
Real simple go into your address book and find the "cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org"
entry and delete it. Somehow you associated that with a CCTALK.
Solution two: install Thunderbird, works better, more virus resistant and NOT
>from mickyspooge.
Solution three: Popcorn, A really minimal text only emailer that is very tiny
and fast (even on a P90!). Very handy for reading headers then deleting
those not wanted off the server without downloading the content.
I use solution Two and Three. On my NT4 box I have fully removed
Outlookexpress(OE) and InternetExplorer (use Firefox and OFFBYone instead).
A side effect was no more Blue Screens of death while reading the mail.
Allison
I recently obtained a Qualstar 1260S tape drive. It looks like a wonderful
device, and ought to work under Linux (SCSI interface). I've got a couple of
questions:
1) Does anyone have a manual for this beast? Qualstar disavows all knowledge
of it. You would expect they MIGHT have a manual...
2) I opened it up to remove the SCSI terminator (sucessfully), and looked at
the SCSI to Pertec interface board (has buffers, etc..). It looks like
the board has options and indicators, and includes a very large pushbutton
intended for something. Any info on the options available here?
3) I hooked it up to my Linux box on a SCSI adapter. The driver identified
the drive as an "HP 7980S" of all things. Is this "normal"?
4) Lacking a manual, does anyone have setup information for running this
under Linux?
5) I've read that there exists someway to get 800 bpi NRZI tapes read with
this drive. Any clues here? Is a seperate board needed??
I may not need any information to get something operational, but I'd really
like to have some "background" information.
p.s. Sending the manual to bitsavers would be a nice gesture. Save postage
and all that.
Thanks.
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What I'm wondering about is is this dolch lunchbox can take a
standard AT boards or not?
I saw this on ebay and I was wondering because google didn't turn up
photos of innards of these Dolch lunchboxes.
Was looking to outfit a lunchbox with my parts laying around.
(386DX, all the goodies.)
Eurocom did have a cached 386DX LCD semi-notebook that takes 3.5" 1"
height HD. I have seen one before and it's innards. Know of one of
those?
Cheers, Wizard
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 "Rick Bensene" <rickb at bensene.com> wrote:
> > "Deccasette should be TU60, see:
> > http://www.iivs.de/home/fm.arnold/Fotoos/DEC/TU60/DSCN0870.JPG
> > http://www.iivs.de/home/fm.arnold/Fotoos/DEC/TU60/DSCN0871.JPG
> > http://www.iivs.de/home/fm.arnold/Fotoos/DEC/TU60/DSCN0872.JPG
> > http://www.iivs.de/home/fm.arnold/Fotoos/DEC/TU60/DSCN0874.JPG
> >
> > And yes I know this beast pretty well, more than I liked in
> > the old days.
> >
> > DEC made CAPS-11 "operating-system" especially arount this
> > peripheral, basically the papertape programming software on casettes.
> >
> > I'm not aware of any surviving copy of this..."
> >
> I've got one of these, but no interface board for 8e or 11/34.
> Anyone know where one might be found?
Same here. It would be fun to just have it.
> It'd be cool to try to bring it up. Probably no device driver support in
> any later OS's, but at least I could try writing some machine code to see if
> it works.
RSX have support. It's CT:.
> Would be cool if someone has a copy of CAPS out there. Does anyone know if
> you
> could boot off of these things?
Of course you could. How else do you think CAPS worked?
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--- On Wed 08/24, Al Kossow < aek at bitsavers.org > wrote:
From: Al Kossow [mailto: aek at bitsavers.org]
To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:27:04 -0700
Subject: Fwd: pdp8 virtual memory disk system -pick up free, or will be junked!
<br><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br>> From: Patrick Jankowiak <recycler at swbell.net><br>> Date: August 23, 2005 7:25:57 PM PDT<br>> To: General at robot.net, Discussion at robot.net:On-Topic and Off-Topic <br>> Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org><br>> Cc: Al Kossow <aek at spies.com><br>> Subject: pdp8 virtual memory disk system -pick up free, or will be <br>> junked!<br>><br>> I hate to do this but someone please come get this, there is no space <br>> and it will have to be scrapped if not rescued. It's for a pdp8i and <br>> gives you about 700K more "RAM" memory on top of the 4 or 8K of core <br>> you already have.<br>><br>> This has to go this weekend or next at the latest, time is of the <br>> utmost!<br>><br>> Please follow the link and see<br>><br>> "1969 BSL model 7118 Disk-Based Core Memory Expansion for pdp8 "<br>><br>> http://rawfire.torche.com/~opcom/<br>><br>> contact 214-763-4764<br>><br>> thanks,<br>> Patrick<br>> Dallas Texas<br>><br><br>
Is there anyone in or near Dallas that can save this. Then there is
a chance someone on this list who might be able to use it could
arrange pickup or shipping. There does not seem to be much time, so
this is my best suggestion. If Dallas were a hop, skip, and jump
>from me I would drive down to get it myself. :(
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Southwest Technical Products and Datapoint were both San Antonio companies
so it would be natural to find some things in common.
Here is are some comments about how the SWTPC 6800 Computer (1975) was
influenced by the Datapoint 2200.
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/History/Gary_Kay.htm
Another item is that the designer of the CT-1024 TV Typewriter II, Ed Colle,
had previously designed terminals for Datapoint.
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/CT_1024/TV_Typewriter_II.htm
Michael Holley
I'm trying to reduce the clutter at my house, and would like to get
rid of some of the old junk I never expect to use:
Sun:
Sun 4/260 nonworking with 128 MB, cg9, cg3, etc.
Sparcstation 5
Sparcstation classic
Sparcstation 20
Sun 19" monitor
Type 4 keyboards
Frank Hogg Labs os9/68k systems:
one 68000 system, no hard drive
one 68020 system
Radio Shack Color Computer, modded with expantion stuff
Bits:
Exabyte 8200
50 pin scsi hard drives
Prime 2250 Power supply
Prime 2250 disk drives (14" sasi?)
aui trancivers
Local pickup only on the heavy stuff.
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