I think its now called Caldera DOS - try Googling it
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From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Diego Rodriguez
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2005 4:26 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: DR DOS 5.0
Anybody knows something about its history ??
I have installation disks with files dated 6/1990 and also a boot disk with some files dated in 2/1991, I know that several bug fixing versions exist, but Which is the last ??
I remembered it when I was reading all that Windows Vista (LongHorn) stuff. Seems that M$ is using 'vaporware' again to distract attention from Intel Mac OS X much like they did with MS-DOS 5.0 and DR DOS 5.0.
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Jules Richardson wrote:
> Because they were never sold presumably, unlike gearbox bearings.
> Presumably there are parts of a hard disk that never left the factory
> except in a complete drive.
Nah, all bearings are standard.
Gordon.
No, not on disk drives. Some are the standard size, but lubricants,
especially grease, are unique to disk drives. The grease had a bad habit of
out gassing hydrocarbons, which eventually cover the head and media
surfaces. Disk drive lubrication became such a science that eventually only
one or two companies would meet the standards.
Bearings also had a bad habit of allowing particles to pass through them and
cause head crashes as flying heights came down. Bearings then moved to
labyrinth seals.
They look like standard bearings, but they are not.
Billy
I have a MPI 9448 cartridge drive that has a cartridge in it that I need to
remove and I also need to prep the drive to be moved. Anyone know how to do
this? I don't know if I can power it on or not. The power cord to the system
has been cut off and was 3ph 220 anyway. If the drive just takes 110VAC 1ph
I can probably get an extension cord to it. Otherwise I need to know how to
get the cartridge out without power. Joe
Joe,
The top cover can be removed by taking out the two screws on the sides.
Then slide the entire top cover (black) to the rear.
Now you find the door release solenoid right behind the cartridge door. You
can release it manually with a long thin screwdriver. You should be able to
fold the door down, which will break the magnetic seal. By pulling the door
down, the carriage assembly will move up and forward and the cartridge is
riding on Teflon grooved rails via four pins. Just slide it out.
If it is wedged or won't come loose, there is a worse case scenario to
remove the entire carriage. Loosen the 6 screws on one side only of the
carriage assembly. They are at the top on the sides. Don't take them out.
The bottom of the carriage side can be pulled out enough to come off the
guide pins and lift up and toward the front. There are two arms attached to
the front door and the carriage. It is easier to remove if you disconnect
the arms, but I've done it without disconnecting.
I was factory tech support on these drives and the Hawk/Falcon/Lark for 10
years up to 1986. I may have a manual or two, but unfortunately don't have
any parts. Incidentally, the designer of the 9448 is VP of engineering here
at my new employer, WD.
Billy Pettit
I have a MPI 9448 cartridge drive that has a cartridge in it that I need to
remove and I also need to prep the drive to be moved. Anyone know how to do
this? I don't know if I can power it on or not. The power cord to the system
has been cut off and was 3ph 220 anyway. If the drive just takes 110VAC 1ph
I can probably get an extension cord to it. Otherwise I need to know how to
get the cartridge out without power. Joe
Joe,
The top cover can be removed by taking out the two screws on the sides.
Then slide the entire top cover (black) to the rear.
Now you find the door release solenoid right behind the cartridge door. You
can release it manually with a long thin screwdriver. You should be able to
fold the door down, which will break the magnetic seal. By pulling the door
down, the carriage assembly will move up and forward and the cartridge is
riding on Teflon grooved rails via four pins. Just slide it out.
If it is wedged or won't come loose, there is a worse case scenario to
remove the entire carriage. Loosen the 6 screws on one side only of the
carriage assembly. They are at the top on the sides. Don't take them out.
The bottom of the carriage side can be pulled out enough to come off the
guide pins and lift up and toward the front. There are two arms attached to
the front door and the carriage. It is easier to remove if you disconnect
the arms, but I've done it without disconnecting.
I was factory tech support on these drives and the Hawk/Falcon/Lark for 10
years up to 1986. I may have a manual or two, but unfortunately don't have
any parts. Incidentally, the designer of the 9448 is VP of engineering here
at my new employer, WD.
Billy Pettit
>From: "Jules Richardson" <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk>
---snip---
>
>Any machine's going to eventually fail due to natural chip destruction
>(50 - 100 years?), but anything with a mechanical nature's probably
>going to fail long before that.
>
>cheers
>
>Jules
>
>
Hi Jules
All machines with bearings should be periodically
run to distribute the grease. If not, they will fail
sooner than one that isn't periodically exercised.
Dwight
>From: "Gordon JC Pearce" <gordon at gjcp.net>
>
>Tony Duell wrote:
>>
>> That's a secondary issue. Once you have something that looks like an
>> ST506 drive to any controller you care to name, and which stores the
>> bitstream in semicondcutor memory, you can then consider a server that
>> loads images from, say, a SCSI drive into that memory.
>
>I think you're overthinking this. I can't see it being that hard to
>adapt the mechanical bits of a different drive to a given set of
>electronics. Come to that, I don't really see how it could be that hard
>to repair ST506 drives, assuming they had not suffered a catastrophic
>head crash.
Hi
I have several that were destroyed by someone mecahnically
rotating the media backwards. The trailing edge of the heads
have a razor sharp edge that will dig into the media. Units
without the brake can be damaged by handling as well. The
danger is reduced if the heads are parked since the linear
shift is smaller for a given amount of rotation but how many
systems actually park the drives before powering off or
even have a park for a person to use before transport.
Of all the units I've collected over the years ( less than
10 I'll admit ) the most comon failure was a surface failure.
Dwight
>
>They were built in relatively dirty environments compared to today's
>clean rooms, out of bits that were very high precision *then* but pretty
>crappy now. If I can walk into my local SKF or Timken stockist and pick
>up the incredibly obscure bearings for my gearbox off the shelf, why not
>a hard disk?
>
>Gordon.
>
>
I have a MPI 9448 cartridge drive that has a cartridge in it that I
need to remove and I also need to prep the drive to be moved. Anyone know
how to do this? I don't know if I can power it on or not. The power cord
to the system has been cut off and was 3ph 220 anyway. If the drive just
takes 110VAC 1ph I can probably get an extension cord to it. Othewise I
need to know how to get the cartridge out without power.
Joe
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:22:13 -0500
> From: Scott Stevens <chenmel at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: DR DOS 5.0
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <20050727222213.7e95d26b.chenmel at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:56:18 +0200 (CEST)
> Diego Rodriguez <dieymir at yahoo.es> wrote:
>
> > Anybody knows something about its history ??
> > I have installation disks with files dated 6/1990 and also a boot
> disk
> > with some files dated in 2/1991, I know that several bug fixing
> > versions exist, but Which is the last ??
> >
>
> I have a set of disks for DR-DOS 3.41 on original Digital Research
> diskettes in a matched set with the GEM/3 Desktop. This combination
> was a competitor with Windows 3.0 if I recall correctly. The only
> 'big' Application for GEM I'm aware of was Ventura Publisher.
>
> It appears it was all licensed together as a set. There are
> rubberstamped matching serial numbers on all the diskettes, and there
> are two S/N's, one for the DR-DOS diskettes and a second for the GEM
> desktop. There's also a full manual set and the sticker on front of
> the DR-DOS users guide has a hologram Digital Research sticker that
> cites "DR DOS, R3.X, GEM/3 Desktop, R3.X and GEM Paint, R2.X." So
> it's a full bundle. My copy is in original 'plain white' box.
>
This seem a very interesting stuff, I'm subscribed to a DR DOS
discussion group at yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dr-dos/
I wonder if you be so kind to post some photos of that bundle in the
group.
BTW: What are the dates of the files in the disks, We have a copy of DR
DOS dated 6/89, and I have (last release ??) GEM desktop 3.13 disks
with some files dated 2/89 and the rest in 1988 (I don't remember the
month now)
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:52:18 -0700
> From: Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com>
> Subject: Re: DR DOS 5.0
> To: General at deltasoft.com, "Discussion at deltasoft.com":On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
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>
> > There's a project to enhance the open source version to feature
> parity
> > and more, the DR-DOS Enhancement Project.
> >
> > http://www.drdosprojects.de/
> >
> > The management of Lineo set up a new company, DeviceLogic. They're
> > offering DR-DOS 8 now.
> >
> > http://www.drdos.com/
> >
> The bummer is, I've got a CD with the full sources and build chain
> for
> OpenDOS 7.01 - but can't release it. I got it when Roger Gross and I
>
> thought that Caldera was going to go the whole route and open source
> it
> all. That was back in '96. At least I got 'em to release GEM and
> related software. :)
>
> g.
>
I've heard that Novell/Caldera had lost all the DR DOS sources previous
to release 6.0 (including the DR DOS 5.0 ones) Is that true ?
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OK, on to box #6.
1) 35741 HP color Display Monitor Installation Guide (loose)
2) BASIC 5.0/5.1 Programming Techniques Volume 1: General Topics
3) BASIC Language Reference Volume 1: A-N HP 9000 Series 200/300 Computers
(it doesn't say but I think this is for BASIC 5.0/5.1).
4) Pascal 3.0 User's Guide
5) Series 200 Model 16 BASIC Operating Guide
OK I'm going to take a break now. Besides I'm running out of boxs.
I still have some HP BASIC 2.1 and BASIC 4.0 manuals. Should Al scan
those too? Opinions?
I have a slew of HP IPC manuals and HP-UX manuals and I've been talking
to Al about copying those too. Any opinions?
Shoot! While we're at it should I send Al my HP 85/86/87 manuals? What
about the 9825 manauls? Ditto the 9835 and 9845 manuals. Let see that still
leaves all the HP disk drive manuals. And I'm sure that there's more around
that I haven't thought of yet.*
Joe
*PS I also have a boxful of HP Journals that didn't go in the great purge.
I had to stop for a while to take care of business but now I'm back
with more books.
Box #5 is now packed and ready to go. It contains more full size books
in three ring binders.
1) BASIC 3.0 Programming Techniques includes same plus BASIC 3.0
Documentaion Guide and Master Index
2) Pascal 3.0 Graphics Techniques
3) Pascal 3.0 Procedure Library
4) "Customer Support Training" includes 9816 CE Hnadbook (this need to go
into the CE Handbook binder), Series 200 Model 16 Self-Paced Learning
Guide, HP 9816 Computer Service Manual, HP Series 200 Computers System
Tests for the HP Series 200 Computers.
Joe
OK Box #4.
1) Pascal 3.0 Workstation System
2) HP pascal Language Reference including same & Pascal 3.1 Documentaion
Guide and Master Index
3) HP 9000 Series 200 Computers BASIC 3.0 Graphics Techniques.
4) "HP-IB" includes Tutorial Description of the Hewlett-Packard Interface
Bus, Programming Note Introducory Operating Guide for the HP 1980A/B
Oscilloscope Measurement System With the HP 9825 Desktop Computer, Product
Note 1980A/B-44 An Introduction to Automatic Measurements with the
1980A/B's Trigger Flag, Programming Note Introductory Operating Guide for
the HP 1980A/B Oscilloscope Measurement System With the HP 85 Personal
Computer, Programming Note Introductory Operating Guide for the HP 1980A/B
Oscilloscope Measurement System With the HP 9835 or 9845 Desktop Computer,
& various program listings.
5) "HP 9800 Series 200 Cards" includes HP Series 200 Computer Pricing
Information (Apr 1983), HP 82912A/HP 82913A Video Monitor Instruction
Sheet, HP 98625A Disk Interface Installation, HP 98640A 7-Channel Analog
Input Module Hardware Installation and Reference Manual. I pulled three
manuals out of this book since another copy is already included in the
previous box.
6) HP Computer Systems - Student 9826/36 BASIC Language Operating &
Programming Course (with solutions).
7) Shared Resource Management HP Series 200 Workstation Manual includes two
copies of same plus HP 9000 Series 200 Computers Loader Utility manual.
Once again these are all full size manuals in three ring HP binders.
Joe
Ok that box wasn't quite full so I'm adding these loose manuals:
6) HP Series 200 Computers 9888A Bus Expander Installation and Service.
7) HP 98644A Asynchronous Serial interface Refeence Manual.
8) HP 98620 Direct Memroy Access Controller Installation Note.
9) HP 98625B HP-IB High Speed Disc Interface Hardware Reference Manual
10) HP 98622A GPIO Interface Installation.
11) HP 82906A Printer Owner's manual.
12) HP 98626A RS-232 Interface Installation.
Joe
Al & et al,
OK, Third box!
1) HPL Operating Manual contains HPL Operating Manual and Programming
Update for the HP 9826 and 9836 Computers, HP 9000 Series Computers Model
216/226/236 HPL Operating Manual, portions of a HP 3060 manual (the 3060 is
a board test system that used a derivative of HPL called BTL (Board Test
Language)), HPL Condensed Reference (photocopy) and HPL Operating Manual
and Programming Update for the HP 9826 Computer (photocopy).
2) BASIC 3.0 Interfacing Techniques
3) Configuration Reference Manual includes two different Memory
Configuration Wheels (maybe you can take them apart and scan everything
then people can print it all out and make their own), Infotek Systems AM
Series Memory Baord Instation and User's Manual, HP A1401A DIO-I Slot
Upgrade Installation Guide, HP 9000 Series 300 Computer Systems Pricing
Information (Oct 1988), HP 9000 Series 300 Models 310 and 320 Hardware
Technical Data (Sept 1986), HP 9000 Series 300 Computers Configuration
Reference Manual and several Installation Notes for HP memory cards.
4) Service Manual includes HP 98270F Powerfail Option Installation for the
HP 9826 and 9836 Computers, HP 9000 Series 200 Computers Model 226/236
Service Manual.
5) BASIC Utilities Library for the HP Series 200 Computers includes some
interesting Installation Notes and Programming Notes in the back including
one on setting up the BASIC ROM card, also a brochure on the HP Series 200
Software available from HP.
These are all in full size (8 1/2" x 11") three ring HP binders.
Had enough yet Al? Or should I keep going? :-)
Joe
Previous
I found another handy sized box so I packed up some more books. This lot
includes:
1) Peripheral Installation Guide, HP 9000 Series 200/300 Computers & 35731
HP Monochrome Monitor Installation Guide
2) Using the BASIC 5.0/5.1 System, HP 9000 Series 200/300 Computers
3) FSD CE Handbook including Model 226/236 Installation Guide & Models 26
and 36 CE Handbook & Model 220 Installation Guide & Installation Notes for
various cards
4) Pascal 3.0 User's Guide
5) Installation Reference HP 9000 Series 300 Computers Model 375 & BootROM
Configuration Mode User's Manual, HP 9000 Products & Use with Terminals and
Monitors, Series 300 Computers
6) BASIC Language Reference Volume 2: O-Z, HP 9000 Series 200/300
These are also "short" manuals in three ring binders. BTW I have some
HP-UX manuals but some of them are paperback bound. Can you scan them
without damaging them?
These should also get into today mail. If I can find more boxs, I'll
pack more books.
Joe
Previous
Al,
OK I'm packing up a box of HP books for you. I'm including:
1) Using HP BASIC for Instrument Control, a Self-Stufy Course
2) BASIC 5.0/5.1 Graphics Techniques
3) Installing, Using and Maintaining the BASIC 5.0 System
4) Pascal 3.1 User's Guide
5) Installation Guide HP 9000 Series 200 Model 226 and Model 236.
6) BASIC 5.0 Interfacing Techniques, Volume 1: General Topics
These are all in the grey HP three ring binders and are all short
(roughly 8" x 8 1/2") books. These cover a variety of topics and should
make a good start. I specificly included the Installation book (#3) since
it contains the information that Tony needs. It's probably the starting
point for everything esle but it's actually a very difficult book to find
and the reference manuals and such don't cover such basic topics as how to
boot the machines or how to create or save the operating system.
I'll probably ship this box today via USPS Media mail. I'll also go
ahead and start packing some more books.
Joe
At 05:05 PM 7/24/05 -0700, you wrote:
>
> I guess you don't have the manuals for this. AFIK I have the full set of
>manuals for BASIC 5.1 along with a bunch of other useful related HP manuals
>such as the HP 9826/9836 and HP 9000/300 Series Computer Installation
>manuals, various peripheral configuration manuals, BASIC 2.1 and 3.0
>manuals, HPL manual, Pascal manuals, Self-Study Guide to Instrument
>Interfacing using HP Basic, FSD Customer Engineering Manual and more. This
>stuff needs to be made available to the everyone. Al has asked about
>borrowing the stuff and scanning it and I've told him that he can but we
>haven't done anythng to make it happen yet. But it's about time that we
>did. How about it Al? Do you have time to do this stuff yet?
>
>
>---
>
>
>I'll make time to get it done. I have a couple of other manuals to get
>on line (like the other PASCAL manual and the 9836 service manual)
>
>Was talking to a friend of mine today who makes a little Ubicom board
>and I suggested he implement an HPIB interface on it and implement
>enough of a emulator to provide an HPIB peripheral to Ethernet interface.
>Then, you could have a box on the net simulate the rest.
>
>
