test-drb June 2005

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by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Steven N. Hirsch" <shirsch at adelphia.net> > >On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Jules Richardson wrote: > >> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 07:36 -0400, Steven N. Hirsch wrote: >> >> > self-virtualize seamlessly, how long will it take for someone to hack up a >> > "preboot" supervisor layer which will support OS X on a garden-variety PC? >> >> Have Apple said that they're going to run on PC-like hardware? I >> *thought* their only comittment was to x86 chips and that nothing's been >> said about system bus, support chips or other architecture. In which >> case there might be substantial differences between Apple hardware and a >> cruddy PC that'd mean a big rewrite / bodge of a lot of the OS to get it >> to work. > >Ah, but that's the point of virtualization. The environment can be setup >to look like something quite different from the actual hardware. Also, if >Apple is really aggressively looking at cost savings, they'll be likely to >use the Intel north and south bridge chipsets. Unless they plan on >custom asics galore, there's a bound to how "different" the hardware can >look. > >Steve > > Hi A little commercial: Intel specs their chip as an average power consumption while AMD ( where I work ) specs the maximum power at for the low power parts. Still, there is a lot of room for improvement in both Intel's and our products. The chipsets are quite different and would require different motherboards. Just a point to notice. Dwight

20 years, 1 month

Rescue of data from Pioneer 10 & 11 tapes at JPL needed. Vintage computers slated for demolition.

by whdawson＠localisps.net

I came across this very interesting, on topic story about the detection of an anomalous acceleration, the need to recover data which "exists on a few hundred ancient 7- and 9-track magnetic tapes", and the imminent scrapping of the original computers at: http://www.planetary.org/news/2005/pioneer_anomaly1_0510.html A snippet from the article: "With the spacecraft now silent, we cannot expect future data, so we must look to the past. In fact, there are hundreds of tapes containing data taken before 1987, when the spacecraft were between 10 and 40 AU from the Sun. This data from the time the Pioneers were still in the midst of this planetary realm could be crucial to solving the anomaly. Unfortunately, this data is stored on hundreds of ancient nine-track tapes, now lodged under a staircase at JPL. The tapes can only be read by equally ancient computers, giants compared to modern machines, which are slated for demolition. We must transfer this data to more modern media readable by up-to-date computers, but time is running out." Are there any list members interested in assisting in the transfer of this data to "more modern media"? Does anyone know what the "ancient computers" are and if a rescue of them from destruction is feasible? Regards, Bill Dawson http://www.swtpc.com whdawson

20 years, 1 month

Apple Goes Intel...

by cb＠mythtech.net

>My personal prediction is that we'll see copies of OS X that run on a >normal PC >in less than a year after introduction. (Note I didn't say if those copies >would be legal or not.) My gut feeling is, Apple knows this, expects it, and may not try to really stop it. They can't make a direct attack on Windows, they will loose. But, if they release Intel based Macs with OS X designed to only run on it, and the pirate world happens to hack a copy, and some hard core people end up getting it and running it on generic PC hardware, all Apple gets is an increase in OS market share. The people that are going to go thru the effort to find, download, and do whatever is needed to get OS X to run on generic hardware aren't likely to have been buying a Mac anyway. So Apple doesn't loose sales to these people. What they gain is an insight to how well OS X may fair against Windows. Also, some of those people may like it enough to buy a Mac, or like it enough to tell their friends, who may in turn buy a Mac. Apple makes sales, and doesn't really loose any, and either way the OS market share increases, more people use it, and more people develop for it. If OS X on generic PCs become popular, then the pirates will cause the market share to increase. If it gets to a critical level, Apple can then decide to release OS X on its own and they will be at a market share point to go against Windows. If they never get to that point, then they never have to release a stand alone version. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

20 years, 1 month

Compaq DOS 3.31

by dieymir＠yahoo.es

Hi! I'm looking for a copy of Compaq DOS 3.31 rev. G (circa 1990) Anybody has this at hand ?? TIA. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es

20 years, 1 month

Apple Goes Intel...

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I am glad for this announcement, only because I can finally talk about OS >X on >intel... as I saw it running over 7 years ago. 7-year NDAs suck :-) Apple's early seeds of OS X had an Intel verison. Ran on standard PCs. I still have my copy kicking around here somewhere. I ran it for a short while. Of course, back then there was really nothing that ran on it. Classic didn't exist yet. Apple's original roadmap for OS X included the "Yellow Box" which was supposed to be an Intel version with Intel based OS compatability. Think Classic but for Windows apps. It also never came about. I suspect it may finally be heading that direction. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

20 years, 1 month

Apple Goes Intel...

by Richard.Cini＠wachovia.com

I for one am happy. I've wanted to Try OSX as a replacement for Windows but I didn't want to spend the $$$ on Apple hardware...not because it's better or worse than PC-compatible hardware but because I have a ton of current PC stuff. I've toyed with buying a Mac Mini, but it's still $500. I've dabbled with Linux but I would feel better if there was a substantial company behind it. OSX is better integrated and has a lot of right-brain features that my wife and kids would like. For $129 I'd take a flyer and commit one of my spare PCs to it. I couldn't totally divorce myself from Windows but I would at least like some options. I'm sure this is a sentiment shared by many, which, besides all of the economics behind parts sourcing for manufacturing, is a good reason for Apple to do it. Rich -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of O. Sharp Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:24 PM To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Apple Goes Intel... I don't know if this is bad news or even worse news, but for those who haven't heard yet: "At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh computers using Intel microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. Apple previewed a version of its critically acclaimed operating system, Mac OS X Tiger, running on an Intel-based Mac to the over 3,800 developers attending..." http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html I think most of the eggs are in one basket now, and not a very reliable basket at that. :( Opinions? -O.-

20 years, 1 month

3 small DEC books

by birs23＠zeelandnet.nl

The following are available : - The DECmate Family Handbook - PDP-11 Systems Handbook - Guide to Information Systems, A Framework for Success These are all the same format, its those small Digital books about various topics. Think I have a few more but have to look em up. If interested let me know. Stefan. ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.oldcomputercollection.com

20 years, 1 month

VT100 Keyboard

by birs23＠zeelandnet.nl

Was someone in here looking for a VT100 Keyboard ? I still have one. Stefan. ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.oldcomputercollection.com

20 years, 1 month

IMSAI 8080 Processor Card?

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Martin Scott Goldberg" <wgungfu at csd.uwm.edu> > >I'm looking for an IMSA8080 main processor card if anyone has one they're >willing to part with. Have a recovered IMSAI that's just missing the main >card. > > >Marty > Hi Marty Many of the original 8080 processor cards were replaced by newer Z80 cards. One can recognize these by the fact that they have a 16 pin dual inline socket ( looking like a missing IC ). This connected the data bus of the processor directly to the front panel. Dwight

20 years, 1 month

Anyone here in lower Wisconsin?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

I've just started back to work for the University of Wisconsin, putting me in Madison for the summer before I set out in October for _another_ year at the Pole. In the meantime, I was curious how many listmembers were in Wisconsin. ISTR someone here is up in Appleton, but I can't remember who that is. Not sure if anyone else is in the area or not, so I thought I'd just give a shout. I hauled along my 1802 kits (among other junque) in anticipation of getting things ready for VCF-Midwest next month. One fun thing I picked up right before I left town was a short stack of Elf frontpanels, custom milled for me out of 3/16" ABS... a friend of the families owns a business that happens to have a CNC machine, and they happen to mill plastic stock. I approached him for some scrap stock, and he gets interested enough to machine out a dozen switch holes _with_ locator notches (the holes look kinda like a silhouette of the Commodore chicken-head logo, but that's fine - the notches work *great* at keeping the switches from turning in the holes). I look forward to mounting one on my Spare Time Gizmos Elf 2000. Now I just need to sit down and make a final list of parts I _don't_ have on hand and finish assembly. So if anyone is within striking distance of Madison, give me a shout offline and maybe we can get together while I'm in the area. -ethan

20 years, 1 month

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test-drb June 2005