Well I guess the hurricane gods don't like Intel computers (or DECs!).
I left plenty of them outside through THREE hurricanes now and they didn't
take a single one of them. And now they're leaving Intels for me! Melbourne
got CLOBBERED by Frances. They've been completely shutdown and didn't even
get power back until last night. However today I went went down there and
found SEVEN Intel 86/330 computers! I found five of these in the same area
a couple of years ago but they were missing the hard drive and there was no
hope of finding the OS for them so I eventually scrapped them for the
boards and 8" FDs. However these are complete including the hard drives.
They even have the IO cables rolled up and stuck inside to them and they
have intel Multibus BUBBLE memory boards. Wahoo!
Joe
How about dd'ing it to a file, transferring it to another computer and
pressing a CD?
>From: luke <etyrnal(a)ameritech.net>
>Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
>Posts"<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: Atari Unix
>Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:48:34 -0500
>
>"For those who own Atari TT030 workstations, I have finally gotten a hard
>disk with Atari's version of Unix System V on it running along with a
>diskette with setboot.prg utility that sets the nvram in the TT030's to
>recognize and boot from the Unix Hard Disk.
>
>If anyone is interested, I can make ghost images of the 300MB SCSI hard
>disk
>for you. One word of caution, according the Atari engineer who wrote
>Atari
>Unix, it does not work on all TT030's. Some of the units had bugs and
>issues, most came back into Atari's service center where the -33 68030's
>were replaced with slower 16mhz CPU's, so while I will guarantee that the
>image works, I cannot guarantee if your TT will have a problem or not. So
>far I've tried it out with 3 TT's and they all work. Also Atari Unix will
>recognize Riebl VME ethernet cards and set them as /dev/en0 so you can hook
>the TT up to the internet directly. I personally am going to see if I can
>get Apache to work on the TT as it would be great to run a website for
>Atari's on an actual Atari computer.
>
>If you want a copy, I need a 300mb SCSI HD to Ghost the image to and you
>pay
>shipping to and from me.
>
>
>Curt
>"
>
>Hi
>
>my friend and i have been looking for this for a while...
>
>is there a way to create a ghost image that is downloadable?
>
>this way we can ghost it into our own drive ourselves?
>
>there are two tt's we are trying to get going...
>
>thanks for any info
>
>- luke
>
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Hey, I just realized, I have (here at work) an old HP 1650B, with 96 (!)
channels, I think it is, too many to count ("one... two... three... ...
many!") but certainly >> 48.
It claims to be dig-it-all (but we know what that means) and has a
variable threshold (and I'd need level changers to deal with -20V logic,
or wherever I pick off the signal).
I don't have an operating manual, though I've puzzled out basic
operation, but does anyone know how to extract sampled data from this
thing?
Here's a hypothesis: the sniggle I'll get off the heads will be the same
as, or less than, the specified (in the hardw. man.) signal. The voltage
won't increase off the head!
If true, I set the 1650B thresholds such that it mimics the LGP-21's
memory. Take N samples of the disk (all at once!). Check that each
sample is self-consistent, eg. every sample is the same.
If subsequent samples are not all the same, see what's changing. If one
or few bits/track are flapping, it could be setup or weak signal.
Repeat taking sample sets, with the 1650B thresh lowered 2 - 5%, say. At
some point the differences between sets should radically alter.
(I would in fact take a few sample sets with threshold > LGP's setting,
for completeness.)
In an ideal setup, each sample within a set would be self-consistent,
and each sample set (with varying threshold) would be the same until the
thresh crosses into the ambigious zone between LGP-21 "0" and "1", at
which point it would deteriorate into garbage.
The LGP-21 hardw. man. comes not only with complete memory alignment
data and techniques, but photos of scope screens. Too bad all machines
don't come with their own historical recovery documentation!
If the 1650B can "print" to a port I can capture then this nicely
formatted data could be scripted into something canonical.
Back in March 2001 I posted about a cache of 20,046 pages
of scanned docs I received from someone on the net.
See the TOC below, followed by his explanation of how
he did it.
It consumed several CD-Rs, compressed. I now have a DVD burner
as well, so I'd be glad to make copies on new or old media.
(It is actually all available on a hidden web page that
I disclose if someone sends me a pointed email, but I'd
hate to stress my little T-1.)
Anyone care to upgrade it to OCR'd PDF or whatever would be
considered a next-best method of preservation and search-ability?
I know it's possible with a handful of Linux, but my to-do list
is already too long.
- John
I've made contact with a guy who's scanned 20,046 pages of the
docs listed below, at 300 to 400 DPI. He first told me about the
UCSD p-System docs he'd scanned. Below the list is his description
of the process he followed.
I'm planning to get a copy of what he has and burn it to CD-R.
Does anyone else have an interest in these docs, or have any
ideas about distribution without massive copyright violation?
- John
6502
MOS 6502 datasheet
6502 Assembly Language Subroutines (Leventhal)
AMD
AMD 29000 Memory Design Handbook
Am29027 Arithmetic Accelerator
Am29C327 Floating Point Processor
Data General
C Language Reference Manual
GATE User's Manual
AOS/VS Internals Manual
AOS/VS Programmer's Manual, volume 1
AOS/VS System Calls Dictionary
CEO User's Manual
Eclipse 32-bit Principles of Operation
Eclipse 32-bit System Functional Characteristics
Fortran-77 Environment Manual
Fortran-77 Reference Manual
Fairchild
Clipper User's Manual
IDT
RISC System Programmer's Guide
R3000 Assembly Language Programmer's Guide
R3000 Hardware User Manuals
R3000 Language Programmer's Guide
High-speed CMOS databook
Motorola
68000 Family Reference
68020 User's Manual
68851 User's Manual
88100 User's Manual
88200 User's Manual
Linear Interface Integrated Circuits
NCR
53C90A/B Advanced SCSI Controller (2 different manuals)
53C94/5/6 databook
53CF94/96-2 Fast SCSI Controller
Disk Array Controller Firmware
Disk Array Controller Hardware
Disk Array Controller Software
Floppy Disk Controller (SCSI-to-FD)
National Semiconductor
NS32532 Datasheet
Series 32000 Programmer's Reference Manual
DP8490 Enhanced Asynchronous SCSI Interface
NS32CG16 Programmer's Reference Supplement
Graphics Handbook
Series 32000 Databook
DRAM Management databook
Embedded Controller Databook
Ohio Scientific
C4P User's Manual (2 different manuals)
65V Programmer's manual
Schematics for:
502 CPU board
505 CPU board
527 24K memory board
540 Video board
542 Polled Keyboard
Pinnacle Systems
2 User's manuals for their 68k machine (My P-system machine)
P-system manuals IV.12
Operating System Reference
Program Development Reference
Application Development Guide
Fortran 77 Reference
Assembler Reference
Weitek
WTL4167 Floating-Point Coprocessor datasheet
Most of these are from about 1988 to 1992, with the exception of the OSI
documentation, of course, which is from 1979.
---
> What sort of process did you follow? What sort of devices?
As far as the process, I scanned a manual in and checked to make sure
all the pages were there. If they weren't, I'd scan the pages that
didn't make it, and go through all the pages again. I'll admit this is a
little anal, but better safe than sorry. (When you're using a lot of
shell scripts, you never know if you accidently deleted a page with an
"mv" command.) When all the pages where there, I'd go through the manual
one more time to check for general quality (no folded corners, no torn
pages, etc.) If all was good, the manual would be moved to the directory
that would be the root directory of my CD-ROM. That's pretty much it.
The big manuals of more than 1000 pages really sucked, because I'd
generally have to make 3 or more passes to get those completely correct.
If I was going to do it again, I'd probably break the larger manuals
into smaller chunks to avoid this problem.
One thing that made the whole process a lot easier was the netpbm
utilities. I wrote a script to convert the manuals from ~2500x3300 TIFs
to ~500x600 GIFs. My machine takes about 2 seconds to process a 300-400
DPI TIF, but only a fraction of a second for a 75 DPI GIF. I'd run my
script, then do something else for a while. When it was done, I could
flip through the GIFs with GQview and inspect about 2-4 pages per
second. That saved a lot of time.
I assume that, by "devices", you mean what type of scanners I used. I
started with an HP 6350cse (with ADF) that I bought for this very
purpose. However, having never owned a scanner before, I was a little
disappointed with how slow the "fast" scanners are. Fortunately, imaging
is an integral part of the software my company sells and, as luck would
have it, we were demoing a new scanner from Fujitsu. This thing
literally does 60 pages/min at 300 dpi - *both* sides. It's about half
that fast at 400 dpi, which I had to use for the IC databooks to get the
fine print. Needless to say, I did most of my scanning on that.
By the way, to date, I've processed 20046 pages. I'm kinda burned out,
though, so it'll be a while before I do any more.
I have a PDP-11/23 with an H9270 backplane and am thinking of upgrading
to a J11 processor. I would like to use the KDJ11-B quad size board
(M8190-YB). Is that going to require me to use a different backplane?
If so, is there one that will fit in the same space as the H9270 and
use the same power supply?
>From: Innfogra(a)aol.com
>
>I think it is important to report all Fraud to the internet providors.
Hi
I get maybe 4 to 6 of these offers a week. It'd take a while to
track down the real provider and send them the info.
>
>Paxton
>Astoria
>
>PS I was concerned that I got two fraud offers directly related to my posting
>of the HP110 on the HP Museum Classified ads. It shows that thre are many
>people out there trolling collectable computer and calculator sales with the
>intent to defraud.
>
They track any place that sells things, any place. There
is nothing special about your adds compare to anyone else's.
They are just looking for fresh territory. Hoping that that
particular group is not yet wise to the scams. The smaller the
market group the better their chances.
Dwight
Hi Guys,
I recently acquired a PET 8032 which has a couple of interesting
add-on's ...
1) MICROTECH PETDISK II
This is an 8" disk system for the PET! - the controller card installs
in the "edit" ROM socket (the EDIT ROM moves to the card), it also has
it's own ROM, and is "hotwired" into several other PET signals via
"flying leads"...
I don't have any documentation for this system other than a single
handwritten sheet which shows the connections (they match the way it's
installed), an address of 59904 to start the system (this works)
and a few commands such as !SYS to get a menu, and !LIST to display
the directory (these also work).
The two original MICROTECH diskettes both exhibit disk errors - looking
at them, it appeasr that they have both sat in the continuously running
8" drive long enough to wear visible groves at track 0 (really visible).
I did find two other "backup" disks, which boot (SYS 59904) and enable
the above commands.
Lots of details I have not been able to figure out - can anyone provide
more information on this disk system? Anyone have documentation?
2) Madison Computer Z-RAM
This one I have full docs for - it's a Z-80 / expansion RAM board which
fits under the monitor and connects to the PET via the 6502 socket (the
6502 moves to the Z-RAM board).
What I don't have is any software for it - it apparently runs CP/M, and
should have come with a double sided CP/M disk (one side for 2031&4040,
one side for 8050 drive) ...
Anyone got the software or other material for this board?
++ Among the 8" diskettes that came with the machine are some which are
labled as CP/M format - and I can't read a sensible directory using the
PETDISK software - Perhaps someone ported CP/M to the PETDISK II / ZRAM
combination? - If so, any idea how I would boot it? - anyone have this
particular combination operating?
You can see pictures of the machine and these devices on my site (just
updated this afternoon).
Regards,
Dave
--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
At a recent hamfest I picked up two volumes of
Digital Equipment Corporation's Consultant's Reference
Guide.
I now have Volumes 1 and 2 ("Organization and Policies"
and "Products and Services"), however the index indicates
that there are several more volumes.
Does anyone have a full set of these?
By the way, Volume 1 has a section with DEC's history,
"DEC Nineteen Fifty-Seven to the Present"
which runs 88 pages and covers up through 1977.
Interesting reading and some nice photos.
Cheers,
Dan
No sooner had the discussion on the cashier's check scam ended than I
received not one but two fraud attempts from these numbskulls in Nigeria.
The latest is this one, which is stunning in its hilarity:
Hello sales,
I am highly interest in purchase the product in your store listed
below
Level 01: VCF Pin & T-shirt ............................1000pices
then i will liKe you to calculate the total cost of the goods with
handling
via ups 3-5days express shipment so that i can send you my cheque account
and
ship to the above adress
11 oshifuye street off
palmavenue road
mushin
olorunshogo
lagos 23401
nigeria
Looking forawrd to hear from you soonest
Best Regard
STEVE
--
This guy wants to order 1000 donations to the VCF. He must be some
overachiever in Fraud 101 trying to impress his instructor or something.
Anyway, I'm already stringing along the first guy, but this is going to
become a regular thing I don't have time for it.
Any ideas?
--
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>From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk
>
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Thanks for the info on the power cords. I looked up the two cords and they
>> both look very close. I will contact Newark on Monday to verify the
distance
>> between pins. The 17952 has a note that states it is made with non-standard
>> polarization. Do you or anyone else on cctech know how I can tell if it's
>> the correct polarity for the Intellec? The 17280's notes state that the
>> polarity is as mandated by CSA electrical bulletin 895b. Anyone know what
that
>> means? I'd hate to plug in the cord and fry my machine.
>
>I think this has to do with which of the outside pins is live ('hot') and
>which is neutral. Getting it wrong won't fry the machine, but it might
>fry you if there's an electrical fault (the fuse should always be in the
>live side of the mains, as should any single-pole switches).
>
>What you need to do is open up the Intellec and see which pin on the
>chassis-mounted mains plug goes to the fuseholder. I think the switch
>comes after the fuse in these machines, but my Intellec, an MCS8i, is
>non-standard in that I replaced the input connector with a IEC 'kettle
>plug' type of connector, and also I have a non-standard power switch
>(replaced by a previous owner).
>
>Then you need to see which of the 2 available cables puts the fuse on the
>live side.
>
>-tony
>
Hi
When you check this, also check to see that ur wall socket is
wired correctly. You'd be surprised how many are not right.
Dwight
