It's still not working for me. The Legal Notices and Press Releases links
work but not the other two. Odd.
Joe
At 06:25 AM 11/1/04 -0500, you wrote:
>it works just fine and I just cut and pasted it from browsing just before
I sent the message. I also just cut and pasted the link just a moment ago
that I gave out and it works fine. Try going just to www.Intel.com - if you
can't get there it could be a Florida issue (I am in Virginia). Every once
in awhile, the lines appear to go down that connect the US together. If the
browser said it was trying to open the site then the DNS server supplied an
IP address to your browser and there is a line issue to the west coast. If
it said it was trying to find the site, then you were not able to get to
the DNS server to translate the name to an IP address and your connection
to the DNS server is in question.
>
>Of course it could be a browser issue if you aren't using that OS and
browser that lots of people seem to blast all the time... (I don't recall
your preference)
>
>best regards, Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>Sent: Oct 31, 2004 9:57 PM
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Subject: Re: new find: an Intel MDS 800
>
>At 03:36 PM 10/31/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>Intel has a complete chronology of all their devices and systems at:
>>
>>http://www.intel.com/intel/intelis/museum/archives/timeline/
>
>
> It's a dead link when I try it. How long since you've looked at it? I
>remember seeing a chronological list from Intel a couple of years ago but
>it only including ICs.
>
> Joe
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> How sure are you of these dates? I've been trying to find out exactly
>>>when the various models were released but never found found anything that
>>>was authoritative.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>
>>
>
>
(CC'd to a couple of System/38-seekers I know of...)
Hope someone can jump on this... a guy has to dispose of a complete
System/38 setup, believed working - by the weekend. Miamisburg, Ohio. The
unit has to be cleared by Monday of next week. He wants an arrangement in
place by Wednesday, but the actual removal can wait as late as the weekend -
so long as the collector is 'damn sure' he WILL turn up as promised!
He tried the stuff on ebay at too-high prices, got no bidders - but at least
you can see the pics (System, disk, tape, printer):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5134099178http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5134099696http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5134100141http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5134100797
Someone needs to move *fast* on this - contact the guy immediately. If
no-one steps up to the plate, at minimum I'll try to get him to remove the
boards from the /38, so I have a spare set for mine.
Contact is Mitch - email miller(a)keyways.com or call him - 937-902-8392
I'd appreciate it if anyone is seriously interested, let me know too. The
guy will want some money; he has an offer for the whole lot from a
scrapyard, and they'll take it away if we don't.
Good luck.
Mike
http://www.corestore.org
All the hardware is finally in for the mirroring setup. I was going to go
with software raid till I found out that the system won't boot when the
primary drive fails (ie it won't automatically boot from the 2nd drive). So
I went the hardware raid direction.
The new hardware includes a 3ware Escalade 7006-2 controller ($123.70), and
two 160gb PATA 7200rpm 8mb cache drives ($88.54 and $67.22, respectively).
Total hardware expenditure including sales tax and shipping was $279.46.
Of course, I'll take the time to reinstall from scratch rather than just
copy the existing drive. So we'll be getting newer versions of freebsd,
sendmail, mailman, mysql, php, etc. etc. etc.
My intent is to throw the drives into a small test system and put that at
the datacenter and configure/install everything remotely. Then when it's
time to switchover, I should be able to just move the drives (and
controller) from one system to the other and come back up. Then I'll start
the process of migrating historical data from one to the other (by putting
the old drive into the test machine).
I'll give the list a big heads up when I get around to scheduling this.
After this upgrade is done, I will be looking for volunteers (web design
people) to see about giving the classiccmp site a facelift, possibly adding
some new features, and (finally) cleaning up the archives.
Regards,
Jay West
Pasadena. There is a good surplus store will interesting junk.
Most of it is scientific/engineering stuff associated with CalTech.
Some computer stuff, but not a lot.
I was searching for their name on the web (C&H Sales) and found this interesting
directory of Electronic Surplus Stores under "Things to Do in Los Angeles".
http://www.laokay.com/ElectronicSurplus.htm
Now I need to look for a similar page for Chicago :-)
-Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ron Hudson
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:33 AM
To: Classic Computers
Subject: Geek-Stuff places in LA
I remember I flew into LAX(i think)... LAX is connected to the nearest
freeway via a longish branch.
So I came out of LAX, "Turned Right" (toward the ocean- west) at the
branch - went a distance, "Turned
left) (south) on some street - and found on the right hand side a very
"Weirdstuff" like place?
That same street continues and becomes another freeway that I had to
take to get to my work-site in Compton.
Anyone know where I was?
Any other electronics-junkyard type places in LA? It has just occurred
to me that LA is only 3 hours
away...Road Trip! :^)
Hi John
Now there are two on ebay. The latest one is a little
more on the conservative side. Starting at $990 with a
buy it now price of $1250. I don't recall ever seeing
one of these go for more than about $600.
The first one does come with the plastic component holders.
I wish I could find these today. They were actually half
of the 300 ohm TV twin lead connectors. RS used to have
them but has stopped carrying them. I've found that the
miniature banana connectors from Pomona also work but
they are expensive.
I like the comment that one can not use the EC-1 without
the operation manual, that the second fellow states. That
is like saying that a person can't use a car without
the operators manual. I guess that is an indication of the
state of knowledge now days.
Dwight
>From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
>
>
> I'll hold off bidding on this in case someone else wants it more than
>me:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4193&item=5134822428…
1
>
>
>
> Starting bid is a stimulating $2,050.00.
>
> But you Instant Gratification types can take this gem home for a measly
>$3K - Buy It Now and save yourself the stress of a damn auction!!
>
>
>
> Let's see if it stays this way, or if somebody hits the seller with a
>clue-stick.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>Granino Vanevar Bush-Korn
>
>
>
Hi Scott
This is a Series II machine, not a Series I ( no such thing
as a Series I ). The IPC card is the indicator. That was only
used in the Series II's and Series III machines. The Chassis
should also have a non-multibus card called the IOC card that
runs the terminal and the SD controller.
The IPC card is the main processor card. It is the one that
runs any code that you'd normally run from the disk. Also,
you should note that there is an small interconnect for the
aux bus connector that goes between the two disk controller
cards. This may be bolted to the frame but it need to be there
for the cards to work.
Dwight
>From: "Scott Stevens" <chenmel(a)earthlink.net>
>
>This weekend I had the time to pull open the Intel MDS system I
>mentioned last week, and record info and photograph all the Multibus
>cards. I've put the info up on some personal web space. All are
>invited to comment on and advise me on what I've got.
>
>The URL is: http://sasteven.multics.org/MDS/Intel_MDS_Cards.html
>
>Here's the 'text' of the page, which includes board numbers, etc. (go
>to web page for a photo of each board)
>
>----------------
>>These boards are out of my MDS system. It was targeted as an ICE for
>>the 8051 microcontroller. The emulator POD plugs into one of the board
>>sets below.
>>
>>This page is organized to document the boards as they are installed in
>>the Multibus cage from the bottom going up.
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>Bottom Board on Rack-
>>
>>Floppy Disk Interface
>>Double Density
>>PWA 123857-002
>>S/N 023767
>>
>>This board has a cable plugged into it's top edge connector.
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>
>>Next Board Up
>>
>>Floppy Disk Controller Channel
>>PWA 10000457-05
>>(may have copied down one extra 'zero' in above part number)
>>
>>This board does not have a cable plugged into the 'top' edge connector.
>>Edge connector shows 'weathering' from not having connector on it.
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>Next Board Up
>>
>>Trace Board
>>PWA 162249-001
>>S/N 13904
>>
>>J10 and J11 headers which are brought out to the Emulator Pod.
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>Next Board Up
>>
>>Controller Board
>>PWA 162380-005 Rev M
>>
>>This board has an 8080A Processor on it.
>>The Multibus P2 board edge is 'bridged' to Trace Board (above) on a
>>two-slot interconnect board.
>>Has header on it brought out to Emulator pod and also power header to
>>emulator pod.
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>> Open Slot, second from top.
>>
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>Top Board
>>
>>I.P.C. board
>>PWA 123192-003
>>S/N 084111
>>
>>This board has an 8085 Processor and array of memory chips.
>>Also has two 8251 and two 8259 chips.
>>Board has row of buttons to generate interrupts that faces out to front
>>of system.
>
>It appears I have here an 8085 based system. Is this correct. It
>also appears that there's an 8080 controller as part of the emulation
>system. I'm assuming (?) the system would run with the Emulator
>boards (Trace Board and Controller Board) not installed.
>
>Some questions:
>
>1. Is the memory array on the top board (board with 8085 processor)
>the main system memory. It looks like four rows of 4116x8, for a
>total 64K.
>
>2. The system has a built in CRT display, and a keyboard input.
>Where is the video generated and keyboard I/O circuitry?
>
>Any and all insights into this system are welcomed. Probably I'll add
>in any info I receive into the HTML for the page.
>
>Thanks,
>Scott
>
>
>
>
Hi
You could be right but I've never seen both top connectors
used. Then most of the machines I've seen used the external
drive for DD's and the internal for SD's.
Dwight
>From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net>
>
>that is not correct. The top connector is used to supply a cable to the
internal disk drive for DD.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwight.elvey(a)amd.com>
>Sent: Nov 1, 2004 11:51 AM
>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: Re: Intel MDS Further Information
>
>Hi
> I forgot to mention. Only one of the two disk cards has the
>top edge connectors used. The other is just for test access.
>Dwight
>
>
>
>
I think I am going home tonight and sort my cables...
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Thatcher <melamy(a)earthlink.net>
Sent: Nov 1, 2004 1:28 PM
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>,
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>, null@null
Subject: Re: Intel MDS Further Information
the cable setup I had when I received the MDS225 machine was two cables and someone had plugged both of them into the two floppy controller boards. One cable has two 37 pin connectors for drives 0,1 and 2,3 and the other cable had a 37 pin connector and the 50 pin edge for the internal drive. I hadn't really paid attention to the card details to know that the connectors should not have both been plugged in. I never had a dual cabinet to try it with either (that is what I am cuurently working on).
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Mabry <dmabry(a)mich.com>
Sent: Nov 1, 2004 12:58 PM
To: Steve Thatcher <melamy(a)earthlink.net>, General Discussion@null,
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>, null@null
Subject: Re: Intel MDS Further Information
I think the cable you are talking about was to allow you to control two
external DD drives through the 37-pin connector on the back and ALSO the
internal drive as DD with the cable what went to the 50-pin on that
drive. I also have one and it works that way, if I am thinking of the
cable you are referring to.
the cable setup I had when I received the MDS225 machine was two cables and someone had plugged both of them into the two floppy controller boards. One cable has two 37 pin connectors for drives 0,1 and 2,3 and the other cable had a 37 pin connector and the 50 pin edge for the internal drive. I hadn't really paid attention to the card details to know that the connectors should not have both been plugged in. I never had a dual cabinet to try it with either (that is what I am cuurently working on).
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Mabry <dmabry(a)mich.com>
Sent: Nov 1, 2004 12:58 PM
To: Steve Thatcher <melamy(a)earthlink.net>, General Discussion@null,
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>, null@null
Subject: Re: Intel MDS Further Information
I think the cable you are talking about was to allow you to control two
external DD drives through the 37-pin connector on the back and ALSO the
internal drive as DD with the cable what went to the 50-pin on that
drive. I also have one and it works that way, if I am thinking of the
cable you are referring to.
