>One interesting question,
>does Windows have a profile for that monitor? I know I've seen other
>Apple monitors listed, but I haven't played with a desktop PC in a
>while.
I don't remember the model's off the top of my head, but at least one
Apple monitor that shipped for the LC series Macs was a VGA monitor NOT
an RGB. Right down to the 15 pin high denisty VGA connector... Apple
supplied an RGB to VGA adaptor to use their own monitor!
That might very well be the model(s) listed with Windows profiles.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hi
A quick check of "canon cat" lead me into THE
( The Human Interface ). Interesting stuff and some
what on topic as it is related to early Mac development.
Dwight
>From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
>
>> >Nevertheless, if you try to do any searching for info, you might get more
>> >results if you spell it "CANON" instead of "CANNON".
>
>On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
>> Wow Fred! You are great. I wondered why I got so few :)
>> Spelling is not one of my best attributes.
>> Dwight
>
>I try to avoid hassling people about speling (for fear that
>somebody might start pointing out how many misteaks I make).
>But I will post a correction if it is for proofing a document,
>or where the error might interfere with information retrieval,
>or if it is particularly funny.
>
>--
>Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
Hi everyone, I've got a rare, almost borderline classic-cmp system that is
very interesting up for auction on ebay. I'm hoping a gentle soul will
take it in and give it some play time.
Pictures of the boombox stereo looking system:
http://www.hudat.com/~florit/20030624-MotorolaPowerstack/
Getting to the mid-90s there was a lot of evolution in processor designs
taking place; there was a question as to which company would lead the
way into the future; some big players at the time were MIPS, Digital's
Alpha, The IBM/Motorola/Apple consortium led PowerPC, and of course,
Intel's x86 line. There was plenty of doubt at the time, because
Microsoft, who was just then putting out Windows NT 4, supported all of
these processors! We all know how the face off ended up.
The system I have here is a Motorola Powerstack. It is super rare, I've
only seen one other on ebay in 3 years. Its in great shape. I can run a
myriad of operating systems: IBM's AIX, WinNT 4, Linux PPC and aparently a
beta version of Solaris 2.5 for PowerPCs. As I understand, this system
runs the PReP Openfirmware (replaces functions of PC's Bios is a more
clean manner).
Its called a PowerStack because you can add drive chassis by stacking them
on top and adding power and scsi chain cables. In effect, you can make
this a low profile computer by removing the section that contains the dat
drive, currently.
Motorola PowerPC 603e, 100mhz, 64MB ram. SCSI is onboard SCSI-2, with two
one inch high removable media device bays, one one inch high non-removable
bay for disk, and the scsi expansion enclosure. This particular model is
loaded with a thin profile CDROM, floppy drive, 4 gig harddrive, and DAT
tape drive (unknown size; 1 or 2g?). It has all kinds of interesting
ports on the backside. Video is on a PCI card (Cirrus Logic?), and audio
is onboard. There are three PCI slots on a riser board.
This system is in distinguished company: It has an actual removable key to
start and stop the system. I'm including the system manual, very useful
to find out how to assemble/dissasemble the system to get to the insides.
Included are the cables to connect the expansion bay scsi. I will also
ship the original copy of Sun Solaris 2.5 Beta that was inside the
Powerstack when I got it and the CDs with the debian linux ppc I was
planning to install. I did not complete the install of debian linux, so it
does not boot into the OS; there are some configuration issues to work
out- I'd recommend a fresher and newer version of Debian anyhow, as this
one is at least 3 years old.
Here's the auction link, if you think you're interested:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2742423893&category=4610
If you have any questions, please ask away.
a follow up to my first message is that any docs I get will be
available as pdf files for free to anyone that needs them. I
am not sure what will come with it, but I will let the group
know.
best regards, Steve
>--- Original Message ---
>From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net>
>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Date: 7/21/03 3:15:07 PM
>
it won't make it to the dump. I live in Fredericksburg, VA and
>I will pick the system up unless somebody else here in VA wants
>it real bad.
>
>best regards, Steve Thatcher
>
>>--- Original Message ---
>>From: "Erik Klein" <classiccmp(a)vintage-computer.com>
>>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>>Date: 7/21/03 1:12:20 PM
>>
>I hope that there is a list member in the area of Sterling Virginia
>who
>>is willing to "rescue" the IMS 8000 machine being sold in the
>auction
>>referenced below. The seller states that "If there are no
bids,
>the
>>machine and disks will be taken to the Loudoun County, Virginia
>
>>landfill."
>>
>>Here's a link to the auction:
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>>ViewItem&item=2743455193&category=4193
>>
>>Considering the volume of stuff it would be a shame to see
it
>lost like
>>that.
>>
>>For those not interested in hitting eBay, I've copied the auction
>text
>>below:
>>
>>IMS 8000 S-100 computer system
>>
>>This computer has a Z-80 processor, 64KB (128KB?) of RAM, and
>dual half-
>>height 8" DSDD floppy drives. The 8" drives were replaced about
>5 years
>>ago; the machine has seen little use since then.
>>Some assorted spare boards are included, as are about 500 floppies
>
>>including master disks for CP/M, CP/M Plus, MP/M, PL/I, and
>lots of
>>other software.
>>
>>A manual is included, and notebooks containing BIOS listings
>and notes
>>on drivers.
>>
>>Industrial Micro Systems made systems of legendary reliability,
>and
>>this machine, over 20 years old, is no exception. I used it
>a couple of
>>months ago, and it worked perfectly.
>>
>>However, I'm short of space, so this piece of equipment needs
>a new
>>home fast. It is large and heavy, with wooden sides and a steel
>
>>chassis. I will not even attempt to ship it. The auction winner
>must
>>pick it up in Sterling, Virginia. If there are no bids, the
>machine and
>>disks will be taken to the Loudoun County, Virginia landfill.
>>
>>Please note: I have nothing to do with this auction, the seller
>or the
>>merchandise. I am just trying to prevent the loss of an interesting
>
>>artifact.
>>
>>If someone is local and can pick it up but isn't interested
>in keeping
>>it, I _might_ be able to pay for shipping (at great risk to
>my health -
>>my next computer might be my last if my wife follows through
>on her
>>threats! :)
>>
>> Erik Klein
>> www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum
>> The Vintage Computer For
At 11:09 AM 7/16/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I am new to the list.
>
>My classic computer collection is mainly DEC but I
>must use "classic" HPs at work. Hence my current
>problem.
>
>We have multiple HP9000/300 computers connected via SRM
>to a HP9826 computer running SRM ver 3.12. We also
>have several standalone Viper board based PCs.
Hi Max, I have a pile of vipers too. I've hooked up one of them and played
with it but never got around to doing anything serious with them. I've been
collecting HP 9000 200 and 300s for several years and have a good size pile
of them along with the disk drives and other bits and pieces.
>
>My current problem is that one of the hard drives
>attached to the HP9826 has died. It was a HP7937 HP-IB
>drive. I believe it was a CS80 device.
A 7937? Are you sure that's the right model number? I don't recognize it
and it's not in my configuration book. (I'm too tired/lazy to go dig
through the catalogs.)
I have backups
>made with a HP9144 tape drive.
>
>We could buy a refurbished drive. We were quoted $1300
>for a HP7937. I would like to avoid that. Since I only
>need a few files from the backup and my application
>could run from the Viper board, if I could get the
>files into a MS-DOS format, my problem would be solved.
I quess you don't know that you CAN boot from a 9144. I read in one of
the HP manuals that you could but they said that they don't recommend it
except in cases of emergencies. I had plenty of 9144s and tapes and wasn't
worried about wearing them out so I tried it and it worked! It took about
15 minutes instead of 5 seconds, but it worked!
Also do you HAVE to have a 7937? I have some 7957s, 7958, 9153s and
other CS-80 drives.
>
>
>I looked through the archives and ran across a thread
>"HP storage formats on ss80 protocol disks". It seems
>work has begun on a Windows program to read at least
>LIF volumes attached to a NI-GPIB board. I have acess
>to such.
>
>The files are RMB ver 5.13 files. The drive that died
>was not the boot device.
???? If the dead drive isn't the boot device then why can't you boot and
then read the files from the tape? Then just dunp it over a null MODEM
cable to a PC or other computer of your choice. Or you can put it on a
floppy disks and use the LIF Utils to read that into a PC. The LIF Utils
are now public domain and can be downloaded from several places on the net
including from HP.
>
>Couple of questions:
>1) What format is the SRM backups in? LIF? HFS? Other?
AFIK backups aren't in any specail or compressed format. They're in the
same format as the operating drives. I've neve rused the SRM OS so I don't
know what format it uses but if you do a CAT of a drive it will tell you at
the top of the listing what the format is.
>2) Peter Brown, would you share your software?
I'm sure that he will share it but it's not going to help much. It just
does a raw data dump. It doesn't care about directories, sub-directories,
file allocation or anything else. it just starts at sector 1 bit 1 and
dumps the entire drive.
Joe
>
>I am also open to other suggestions. If you have a
>HP7937 drive or similar, we can talk. Either purchase
>or trade. We have a spare HP9826 computer with a dead
>display along with extra HP9000/300 computers.
>
>
>Thanks
>Max
I have several systems that use Shugart 800-1 SS 8" disk drives. I've
got several defective drives plus I've been wanting some spares. Last week
I picked up 10 Shugart model 801 SS drives. Today I tried to use them on
the same systems but I can't make them work. I've set all the jumpers and
straps exactly the same as in the 800-1 drives but the 801s aren't working.
The system knows the drive is there and detects the disk being in place and
rotating and that the drive door closed but the drive never gets the head
load signal. I'm using the same system, cables, power supply, etc with both
drives so the only difference is the drives themselves. I've tried a couple
of 801s and gotten exactly the same results with all of them so I don't
think that it due to a drive failure. Anybody have any experience with
these or have a good idea of what's wrong?
Joe
I'm looking for the dos 1.0 manual and binder. I have the disk and nothing
else. Anyone out there have a manual and binder they would like to sell?
Karl
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Wow Fred! You are great. I wondered why I got so few :)
Spelling is not one of my best attributes.
Dwight
>From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
>
>On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
>> Oops! Suppost to be for Al Kossow. I should look at
>> the reply to lines.
>> Dwight
>
>Nevertheless, if you try to do any searching for info, you might get more
>results if you spell it "CANON" instead of "CANNON".
>
>
>
>
>> >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com>
>> >
>> >Hi Al
>> > I finally got time to play with the Cannnon Cat.
>> >It powers up just fine and seems to run the disk
>> >OK as well. The battery is dead but that doesn't
>> >seem to be an issue.
>> > I fiddled with it some and found that if I hold
>> >the button in the back down during power up, it
>> >goes into the diagnostics. I know there is a way
>> >to cause it to go to the Forth prompt but I don't
>> >recall how it was done. If I can find a fellow named
>> >John Bumbgardener ( sp? ), he knows all of the tricks
>> >for these.
>> >Dwight
Oops! Suppost to be for Al Kossow. I should look at
the reply to lines.
Dwight
>From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com>
>
>Hi Al
> I finally got time to play with the Cannnon Cat.
>It powers up just fine and seems to run the disk
>OK as well. The battery is dead but that doesn't
>seem to be an issue.
> I fiddled with it some and found that if I hold
>the button in the back down during power up, it
>goes into the diagnostics. I know there is a way
>to cause it to go to the Forth prompt but I don't
>recall how it was done. If I can find a fellow named
>John Bumbgardener ( sp? ), he knows all of the tricks
>for these.
>Dwight
it won't make it to the dump. I live in Fredericksburg, VA and
I will pick the system up unless somebody else here in VA wants
it real bad.
best regards, Steve Thatcher
>--- Original Message ---
>From: "Erik Klein" <classiccmp(a)vintage-computer.com>
>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Date: 7/21/03 1:12:20 PM
>
I hope that there is a list member in the area of Sterling Virginia
who
>is willing to "rescue" the IMS 8000 machine being sold in the
auction
>referenced below. The seller states that "If there are no bids,
the
>machine and disks will be taken to the Loudoun County, Virginia
>landfill."
>
>Here's a link to the auction:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>ViewItem&item=2743455193&category=4193
>
>Considering the volume of stuff it would be a shame to see it
lost like
>that.
>
>For those not interested in hitting eBay, I've copied the auction
text
>below:
>
>IMS 8000 S-100 computer system
>
>This computer has a Z-80 processor, 64KB (128KB?) of RAM, and
dual half-
>height 8" DSDD floppy drives. The 8" drives were replaced about
5 years
>ago; the machine has seen little use since then.
>Some assorted spare boards are included, as are about 500 floppies
>including master disks for CP/M, CP/M Plus, MP/M, PL/I, and
lots of
>other software.
>
>A manual is included, and notebooks containing BIOS listings
and notes
>on drivers.
>
>Industrial Micro Systems made systems of legendary reliability,
and
>this machine, over 20 years old, is no exception. I used it
a couple of
>months ago, and it worked perfectly.
>
>However, I'm short of space, so this piece of equipment needs
a new
>home fast. It is large and heavy, with wooden sides and a steel
>chassis. I will not even attempt to ship it. The auction winner
must
>pick it up in Sterling, Virginia. If there are no bids, the
machine and
>disks will be taken to the Loudoun County, Virginia landfill.
>
>Please note: I have nothing to do with this auction, the seller
or the
>merchandise. I am just trying to prevent the loss of an interesting
>artifact.
>
>If someone is local and can pick it up but isn't interested
in keeping
>it, I _might_ be able to pay for shipping (at great risk to
my health -
>my next computer might be my last if my wife follows through
on her
>threats! :)
>
> Erik Klein
> www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum
> The Vintage Computer Foru
