>What about the computer sent out in the Voyager spacecraft in the 70's? Or
>is this just personal computers?
Well, for my question, it doesn't matter if it is personal computer or a
mainframe or whatever.
Although I would rule out the Voyager computer for two reasons. 1: You
can't say for sure that it is still running (is it still sending back
data?) and 2: Its only still running because no one shut it off.
However, I WOULD consider any original ground based systems that are
still in use listening for data from Voyager to be valid. At least they
are still serving a purpose even if they aren't getting any data.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
FYI
(From the Poqet mailing list)
Bob
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From: Sven Utcke [mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-hamburg.de]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:33 AM
To: Poqet PC mailing list
Subject: PoqetPad Plus User Guide
Hi everybody,
several of you were interested in the User Guide for the
PoqetPadPlus. Bill Moy was so good to photocopy his version (several
times) and to send it to all interested --- big cheers to Bill for
that! John O'Neal than scanned in his copy, and after a lot of
problems with ftp this is now available as a 16MB File at
ftp://kogs.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/pub/utcke/poqetpc/PoqetPadPlus.pdf
Happy downloading
Sven
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I don't know if this was mentioned earlier, but I see that Megan has gotten a new job.
Congratulations!
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From: Megan [mailto:mbg@theworld.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:46 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: RE: Oldest computer still in current use
<snip>
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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>> Rebuilding? Without the existing infrastructure (in the wilderness), how
>> many people would be capable of building/making ANYTHING? Other than
>> Tony, could you make a battery? a bulb? Do you really know how to extract
>> the materials needed from the ground?
>
>I can think of two people off the top of my head - Captain Kirk when
>fighting the Zorn Captain, and McGuyver in just about any episode.
Don't forget the Professor from Giligan's Island.
:-)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:22 AM
> To: Classic Computers
> Subject: Re: Oldest computer still in current use
>
<SNIP>
>
> I am inclined to believe there may still be some ground
> systems for the
> Space Shuttle program that are run on 8080 based machines.2
>
I can confirm as a fact that there was at least 1 8086 flying on Columbia
before Feb 1.
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>I dont understand your logic.
Logic plays no role... this was nothing more than a question I posed
(almost a week ago non the less). Therefore in looking for answers, I can
allow or disallow anything I please for any reason I please. That doesn't
make it valid or invalid for anyone other than me. If others want to tag
onto my 2 questions, then they can use whatever criterea they desire to
see if something is a valid answer for them.
>The Voyager is ruled out because it might be
>too far away to have its valid data (stuff it was made to send back on
>purpose) get back to us, but the recieving equipment that will never get any
>data back since the signal isnt getting back is still a valid system?
The big strike Voyager has against it in my book is that no one can tell
if it is still running. Its not valid to me, because it might be mythical
(not the craft, but rather the fact that it is still functioning).
The ground computers on the other hand are valid, because they can be
verified and someone each budgeting cycle has to make the decision if
they want to continue to spend money having them operate. So they are
still doing their original job... listening for data from Voyager.
Of course, its all pretty irrelivant as I'm sure the original ground
computers for Voyager have long since been shut off and removed. NASA may
still be listening, but if they are, I'm sure the task has been lumped in
with other newer monitoring systems.
>Would an old obsolete college computer that runs a 300 baud bbs still be
>valid if nobody knows about it, or even called it and the college forgot to
>shut it down in the last 40 years?
If it is running ONLY because no one knows its running AND no one knows
it exists... then its a mute point. If a tree falls in the woods...
Although, I would still, for my original question, consider it not valid.
Because it isn't in normal use. The simple fact that no one knows about
it removes it from use (no one dials in to the BBS anymore, and the sysop
forgot it is there so isn't leaving it up just in case someone stumbles
on it).
If on the other hand, a sysop knows about it and IS leaving it running
just to see if someone hits it, then I might consider it valid. At least
it is still serving a function. But I would have to hunt for a better
answer, something that is a bit more in use. (I would also probably hunt
for a better answer than Voyager ground monitoring computers for the same
reason, they may be valid, but they are a poor example).
>If somebody fires up an old 50's analog computer in a museum just to see if
>it still kicks is it really "in use"?
No, because my ORIGINAL question was, what is the oldest computer still
in normal use. So for MY question, that is, the answer I am looking
for.... I will only consider a computer that was put into service when it
was reasonably new, and is still functioning today. I will also accept an
old computer that was put back into service either as a replacement for
one the died, or because it was needed to do a job, and it was the best
option for the job.
So I wouldn't consider a collector or museum that has put an old machine
into service just because they can (although that would still be
interesting to know, but for my question, I would consider that a
different catagory). This of course is 100% acceptable as an answer for
my 2nd question that was: Whats the oldest computer connected online and
preferably hosting a site that can be visited. Its very acceptable to me
that the best answer for this is one that is doing it for no other reason
than because someone wanted to see if it could be done with one of their
old collected computers.
But for my first question, 'm looking for the type of answer along the
lines of "Company XXX still uses YYY for their ZZZ process".
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Following a successful trans-Pacific trade, (for a DRQ3B) I have the following that will (theoretically) upgrade my Vax 6000-430 to
a 6000-620.
2 T2054-AA 6000-600 CPUs
1 T2019 3.3V regulator, 25A
Can Antonio or one of the other DEC experts confirm that there are no other hardware mods required to the Vax 6000-200/300/400
series cabinets (this particular machine was originally a 6000-310 IIRC) to support the 500 & 600 series cpu boards other than the
insertion of the T2019 3.3v regulator board? ie no re-cabling etc?
AFAIK this is a plug it in and go field upgrade but would like to confirm it before committing irreplaceable hardware to possible
destruction.
Can't seem to find much on the web about the process itself.
Thanks.
Geoff in Oz
Does anyone have a source for Old Cisco hardware, IOS, documentation info.
Preferably pre 1990.
Brian Roth
Network Administrator
A+ N+ CNA CCNA
Network Services
First Niagara Bank
(716) 625-7500 X2186
Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com
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That's a lot - it's not really a vintage machine, nor a particularly rare
one. I still use mine as a MC56000 Digital Signal Processing (DSP) testbed.
At the time, the £500 I paid for it was a quarter of what I would have had
to pay to get a DSP experimentation card for a PC, and since I didn't have a
PC at the time it was a bargain.
In addition to that, I wrote a series of articles about DSP for the ST
Format magazine in the UK, for which they paid me £500, recompensing the
computer's cost! Ha!
paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Keys [mailto:jrkeys@concentric.net]
Sent: 05 May 2003 05:42
To: cctalk@classiccmp
Subject: ST Falcon Goes high on eBay
This ST Falcon goes for over $300.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewitem&item=2725518828
