test-drb April 2003

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272 participants
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by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Here is the code I have so far. I've shortened it a bunch but I don't think I can get it much shorter. I desided not to use any special Z80 instructions because I want this to work with the H8's as well ( these are 8080 box's but can run HDOS ). It is down to about 42 ( decimal ) bytes. If anyone can remove some more that would be great. I'm using the over writing of the jump address at the end of the code to stop loading and begin using the main down loader. This saved quite a bit of code but it means that I need to load the main loader backwards. This is a pain but not that big of a deal, compared to typing in a lot of bytes. For this code, if someone thinks of some other method that does something like self modifying code, I'm game to that. This is a boot strap and the key is being small. There are no other rules. I thought it would be a good idea to also have the ability in the main loader to save the main loader to disk as a bootable image. This would make it easier because one wouldn't need to keep typing in the first bootstrap loader every time one got more images to load, like a week later. Dwight BOOTSTRP.ASM ; 42 BYTE BOOTSTRAP LOADER WITH INIT FOR 8250 ; INTENDED FOR THE H89 BUT MAY ASLO WORK ON H8. ORG 2300H LDR: XRA A OUT LCNTL ; LINE CONTROL OUT IER ; NO INTERRUPTS OUT MCNTL ; INIT MODEM CONTROL DCR A ; SHOULD BE 'MVI A, 80H' BUT 0FFH OK? OUT LCNTL MVI A, 0CH ; 9600 BAUD OUT DVL XRA A OUT DVH MVI A, 07H ; 8 BIT 2 STOPS OUT LCNTL IN LSTAT IN RX ; CLEAR ANY JUNK LXI H, 2400H ; DEPENDS ON SIZE (TO BE DETERMINED) LDR1: IN LSTAT ANI 01 JZ LDR1 ; WAIT FOR CHAR IN RX MOV M,A DCX H JMP LDR ; ADDRESS TO BE OVER WRITTEN BY CODE LOADED

21 years, 8 months

cctalk digest, Vol 1 #556 - 46 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > > I find myself in the highly amusing position of > siding with Sellam, > sort of. > > I refuse to take seriously anything that is > quoted out of context. > You haven't posted his entire messages, nor the full > text of your own side of the exchange. As a matter of fact, I did. Those ARE his entire messages in full. They are NOT out of context. Anyone who would like to read my replies may e-mail me off list to get them. I will send them in full. > You did mention in your previous post that you > *had* used the term "Islamic Idiot", "although not > referring to Sellam himself." Al, that > was pretty dumb, at best, and malicious at worst. So, you don't think that celebrating the death of courageous Astronauts, and using their death to claim that Allah was against the U.S. and punished it wasn't "pretty dumb, at best, and malicious at worst."? I stand by my comment. I think people who are trying to make this a war against Islam, rather than a war against Terrorists ARE idiots. And what's funny... It's the Radical Islamics themselves who keep trying to drag all of Islam into the fray. I can only speak for me, but I have MANY, MANY friends who are Islamic. And I enjoy the lives and work of many other people who are followers of Islam. And I would reject in the loudest terms that All of Islam is bad. > Especially considering that Sellam is well and > widely known for trumping with the race card, and > for being very sensitive concerning his heritage. That's not my problem. I don't take offense when people talk about Germans, or Italians or Irish. And if you haven't missed it... Two of the three have been major enemies of the U.S. in wars in the last century, and the last one has been the cause of lots of terrorism as well... I don't take any of that personally, as being German, Irish and Italian does not mean I am a Nazi, a Fascist, or an IRA Terrorist. If others can't seperate themselves from what other people do, either they need some help.. Or feel connected in feeings and desires. I can't control either. But, I won't be stifled in my opinions because someone else wants to coddle people doing wrong because their feelings might be hurt. Sorry. When someone does wrong, they deserve to recieve the negative reaction from it. It's how society shows it's displeasure at wrong actions. > > I am posting this to the list so that members can > > observe for themselves the behavior of one of it's > > members... > > We all know how Sellam behaves on list, and many > of us have been exposed to his behavior off list. > I vote "not interested" There's enough crap here > without dragging up more from outside. Ok.. I posted these messages because I want it to stop. I want him to stop doing this, rather than having it tolerated. You say you know about it. How about doing something about it, rather than letting others be attacked and harrassed by him? Because, I'm not willing to just ignore him and allow him to attack others on the list in the future. That's wrong. If he does not receive strong admonishment and feedback that his behaviour is unacceptable (and just letting him go on and do it unchallenged tells him it's ok....), why would he ever stop? He dominates this list and uses it to support his business. He receives a HUGE benefit from this list, that I would not deny him. In return for that, he needs to control himself and treat members of this list with the respect he himself receives. > You know who the maintainer is, if you have a > problem with someone's behavior on the list. You > evidently know also how to contact Sellam's > ISP. If you're being threatened, I suggest > contacting your local LEA. I do NOT know who the maintainer is. Can you give me an E-Mail Address for them? I simply sent copies of Sellam's Email and a complaint to "Postmaster@hisdomain". For all I know, that is he himself, and he got the complaint and is snickering about it... So, posting to this list was an attempt to get others to cooperate in stopping his hate, without resorting to the "LEA" (What is that?) or another Govermental Agency. > But none of what you've posted here is useful here, > and it comes off as simple character assassination. I did nothing to assasinate his character. If reposting his messages does that, that's his problem. I don't post anything that I don't want to come back to haunt me. I certainly don't post messages to people off the list and curse at them, or call them nasty names. OR, falsely accuse them of being racist... LOL! > > Doc Thanks Doc! I appreciate the time and thought that went into your post. Regards, Al Hartman The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

21 years, 8 months

cctalk digest, Vol 1 #556 - 46 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Subject: Al, the idiot! was RE: Apple Lisa XL on > eBay > > Al, what are you, some king of F***** idiot? > That certainly didn't qualify as hate speech or > "mean-spirited". As for backing it up, where have > you been for the last year? Did you miss the news > that Enron, Adelphi, World Com and a number of other > companies have been looted and ruined by their own > management? Not only did they wipe out their > companies but they also wiped out the life savings > and retirements of tens of thousands of their > company employees and millions of stock holders. What does that have to do with George Bush? > That's just one example of the lack of > administration that I was referring to. Certainly. But of the Clinton Administration, where all this happened during... Not the current Administration. > The gouging of the american consumers by the oil > companies is another. Gas prices have nearly > doubled in the past six months or have you been > living in a cave somewhere and not noticed? I have NOT been living in a cave, and again... How is that the fault of the Bush Administration? If you haven't noticed, his actions have caused the oil prices to start to go back down. Oil prices ALWAYS peak in Winter, and threats of war in the Middle East ALWAYS cause Oil prices to go up, whether the Oil supply is threatened or not. To suggest that Bush leave Saddam to continue to develop WMD's, build up a military to attack his neighbors, and to murder and torture his own citizens is selfish in the extreme. It's a price we have to pay to secure the future safety of the U.S., and the region. > In both cases the perpetraitors are major > supporters (read $$$$) of the Bush administartion. AND the major supporters (read $$$$) of the Clinton Administration AND ALL political parties... Any smart major corporations funds BOTH parties... > Don't get me wrong, I'm a registered Republican, > but I won't stand by and say nothing while the Bush > administration stands idlely by and l! Great to hear that. But, because it's taking longer than you or I would like, doesn't mean they are standing Idlely by... > ets their big dollar supporters rob the american > public. Why don't you ask the members of this list > how many of them have lost their jobs entirely or > have had to take jobs far below their capabilities > because of the lousy economy and stock market? I have myself. And I lost my good job not because of Action of the Bush Administration (that has only been in office about 28 months... But due to the actions over 8 years of the previous one. To expect the current administration to reverse 8 years (actually 12 years, since Bush 41 made some bad moves as well in regards to taxes and our economy) in 28 months is impatient. Especially considering that 9/11 caused TRILLIONS in damage to this economy. The fact that it is as strong as it still is, and rebounding is a testament to his good leadership. We could be a LOT worse off. I still remember the Carter days.... And this ain't those. Anyone who is slamming this administration for the economy or it's leadership has a very short memory. Our economy has been A LOT worse off in recent memory, and isn't so bad now. And is getting better by the day. The President just made a speech, that should kick the market up a few more points today. I just read an article on the CBS website that says that MOST Americans believe that Bush is doing a good job and the economy today is better than a year ago. That's why I called your post nasty and mean-spirited. Because it goes counter to the data in the world. The data that the economy is improving, and that people say Bush is doing a GREAT job as President. > If you wanted to hear about classic computers then > why did you even reply to this message, why didn't > you just ignore it and go on? No one else felt it > necessary to jump in and grossly exaggerate what I > said. They believe in letting stuff pass, or agree with YOUR Gross Exaggeration. It was your message that was the gross exaggeration. Not mine. Sorry. Go pick up any newspaper today, or listen to the news tonight. I don't think you'll find much agreement with your post in them. > Not only did you feel it necessary to mouth > off on the CC-Talk list but you also posted your > batherings to the CC-Tech list! I am not subscribed to the CC-Tech list. If it went there, it was purely by accident. > As a matter of fact, I don't remember ever seeing a > message from you that was about computers. You haven't been looking then. > But you're always eager to but in and shot off your > mouth when someone expresses their opinion! Yes, if I disagree with it... > In the mean time, your village is looking for > you! I assume by this you intend to say I am liberal? Because that is FAR, FAR from the truth. > > Joe > > PS you don't need to bother to reply, you've > just been added to my permanent kill-file. > > <end of rant!> Typical. If you took the time to talk to me, rather than making the harsh assumptions you make in the last few paragraphs of your post. You'd find we agree on a lot of things (except your post), and you might even like me (most people do who take the time to get to know me..). I've posted quite a bit in the last few months on computers. But, I'm out of my depth with the major iron that people talk about here. Ask me anything about HP Laserjet II/III, TRS-80's, Coco's (I worked for Spectrum Projects and wrote for Rainbow Magazine), Timex/Sinclairs (I wrote the front end for a lot of Zebra's Products and the manuals), and Mac Emulation... And while I used an Imsai 8080 (with a Z-80 CPU Card) for several years to run a small mail-order business in the mid-80's. I know little about it, as I only used it. I didn't assemble it or maintain it. I can say, it was a nice machine and did everything we asked of it well. I wonder what Stewart did with it? That was at Zebra Systems, Inc. where we made add-ons for the Timex/Sinclair Computers, Tandy Color Computer, Commodore Amiga and the Atari ST computers. Stewart also used to make something called the "Music Box" and "Rhythym Box" for S-100 Systems and the TRS-80 Computers. It was the fore-runner of the Orchestra-80, which Stewart always claimed was a cheaper knock-off of the much nicer Music Box. A minor mod of the Music Box software or Orch-80 Software made them run on the other hardware. I think just a change in which port one addressed with the music data was all... Regards, Al Hartman The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

21 years, 8 months

Forwarded: Please help if you can... Apple issue

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow classiccmp'ers, A while back, I forwarded an E-mail I'd received to the list. It came from a school tutor who had some questions about Classic-era Apple computers that I couldn't answer. Unfortunately, there was a typo in his E-mail addy, which would have caused any replies to bounce. That typo has been corrected. Here's the message text again. If anyone can help, please contact him directly. Thanks much. Attachment follows. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Subject: ..Hi.........Can you help? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:01:11 -0400 From: Randy Sammons <rsammons4(a)attbi.com> Reply-To: Randy Sammons <rsammons4(a)attbi.com> To: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Hello, Can you help me? I tutor math at a juvenile institution outside of Pittsburgh, Pa. and still use an Apple II E computer(made in 1982). My math program is a very good one...but now down to three 5 1/4" disks which were made in 1984. The software company is long out of existence.(Instructional Communications Technoglogy,Inc.) Do you know of anyone who has three useable 5 1/4" disks?..(my disks say: Apple II (48K) Dos 3.3 Version)..and can my three disks be copied? ..Can these disks be copied to a normal 3 1/2" PC disk? Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Randy Sammons Irwin, Pa. 724.864.2719 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

21 years, 8 months

New Finds for teh Museum

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well the last few days have been fun and I got the following items: A vintage Hasbro Think-A-Tron toy computer that works great. An AMIGA A3000 needs some tender loving care, will not power up right now. A Commodore 1403 monitor. A Grid notebook model 1660 needs some work. A digital Decpc XL590 not tested yet. An AT&T 6310 PC. Several more mousepads and other items too new to list.

21 years, 8 months

Some Cool Sun stuff Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

At a local Goodwill I picked up the following: A Sun external tape drive PN 595-1711-01 model 411. A Sun SPARCserver 20 model 544 with 2-20gig HD's, 256 MB memory and loaded with software but I have no password to login with. A Sun SPARCstation 10 model 144 can't get it to boot up. A Sun type 6 keyboard. A Burroughs desk top computer power supply external black brick.

21 years, 8 months

Newspaper layout/typsetting (was Re: new gifts)

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> They also seem to bear the name of an aftermarket supplier - > Systems Industries?- and some sort of system name, which I cannot > remember, but suggests typesetting. May be the Atex (?) system, which I understand was very popular and is still hanging on in some corners. I've got some pictures around here somewhere from one datacenter of a major metro New York area newspaper showing racks of what I believe are rebadged pdp-11/x4's (they look recent, so maybe /84, /94, or one of the goosed third party CPUs) dedicated to running Atex terminals in newsrooms. The systems are using some reasonably modern storage system - might even be 3.5" form factor. But I wasn't in a position to inspect any- thing too closely. If I run across the snapshots I'll scan them and put them up somewhere for grins. --Steve.

21 years, 8 months

HH Drives ( Wyse Setup & Test Diskette)

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Alan, Do you have a Wyse Setup and test diskette? My employer resold Wyse systems for several years. I 'May" be able to get a version of setup and test. Wyse setup & Test diskettes walk you through configuration. You can enter a drive by "type" from tables, or free form, Cylinder, Head, Sector , entries. Usually when the battery is weak these sytems would forget drive configurations, or even loose track of the Floppy drives. Do you have any identifying marks FCCID # etc on the motherboard, Wyse model, date codes. The wyse bios Part number, (version 3.53 was one of the latter ones). They ran a Wyse Version of MS DOS which, allowed larger cluster sizes, Wyse systems could typically run drives larger the the 528MB. If you can characterize your system a little better I might be able to help Larry Truthan, truthanl(a)oclc.org. Dublin Ohio, USA Digest Subscriber

21 years, 8 months

New HP find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I got HP 41C the following items; ac adapter, 5- extra battery packs model 82120A, Brown carrying case, HP Card Reader model 82104A, a model 82143A printer with an ac adapter for it. Got it all for only $7. Also got Heathkit VectorScope model 10-101 for $12.

21 years, 8 months

Mac Classic

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Is there a keyboard shortcut that will turn the $%^& thing off?? Sorry, I said Command-Option-O, but what you may in fact want is Command-Option-X. Command-Option-O toggles CloseView on and off, and Command-Option-X toggles the magnification on and off. I don't remember if turning off CloseView will ALSO turn off the magnification, or if they are two different abilities. In either case, to permanantly disable it, you still should remove the CloseView control panel from the Control Panels folder and reboot. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 8 months

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test-drb April 2003