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New acquisitions

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

Well, after swinging past Dave Woyciesjes' a week ago Saturday, I now have 2 HP DeskJet Plus' and 1 HP DeskJet 500 (Thanks Dave =] ). Nifty little Inkers, I loved those series because I could never get them to die. I also have acquired though other sources an old NYNEX telecom box that appears to be for Digital Lines (from Demarc to RJ48 and out to a cable that has RJ48 on one end and a custom pinned (?) DB15 with 6 actual pins connected that I'd have to assume is either RS232 or V.35. The unit was taken off a wall in an abandoned office my co. had gone into to rewire for new owners. I have also acquired more DB9 to Type 1 "vampire" Token Ring cables, approximately 2 meters long in the same job. Anyone interested in the box and cable or the Token cables since I literally have about 10 of them? Possibly in trade for a Madge PCI Token Ring NIC or so? Also, anyone know of a device to cross the gap between Token Ring and Ethernet, such as a bridge? I'm looking to have my 16/4 Token Ring talk to a non-upgrade-able Ethernet system and have it go out to my broadband connection. Any ideas? I apologize ahead of time for not immediately replying, for I am in the middle of a stubborn upgrade of my PC motherboard to a Bio-Star M7VKD Pro from my failing ABIT KT7A, so since documentation, etc. are not fully abundant, it may be a day or two before I read the list again. -John ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html - site down for maintainance ---------------------------------------

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Evolution of the WIMP (Windows/Icons/Menus/PointingDevice) Interface (Was: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor,, No shell = No power)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Simple. I hate reaching for a mouse/trackball that's a mile away when my > hands are already positioned on the keyboards. It's sooo much easier not > having to use a mouse and keyboard at the same time. In fact, I'd venture > to say it's easier to use a keyboard than a mouse, in part for the same > reason the Mac has a menubar at the top of the screen... you KNOW without > thinking about it where all the keys are on the keyboard (if you're a > half-decent typist). Thinks you have to point and click at on the screen, > using a mouse, you don't have the same spacial relationship with, and thus > it's more difficult to hit things exactly. Both the mouse and keyboard are true Fitt's Law devices. However, I think you might be right for keyboards that perfectly match the combo of forearm length and finger/hand size for a given person (i.e. there is no universally perfect keyboard). I was a two-finger typist from 1976 until 1991. Once day while writing an article (for the Cobb Group's Inside QuickBasic), I realized I was no longer looking at the keyboard and my fingers were resting on the home row. The keyboard: The Mac Extended II. OTOH, except for text entry, my right hand is always lighty resting on the mouse, the left hand on keyboard home row. -dq

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Changing Subject Lines (Was: RE: Cryptic Unix Arcana (was: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor, Anything !Windows = Cryptic ?)")

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > > From: "Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner" <spc(a)conman.org> > > > Message-Id: <200205070202.WAA10268(a)conman.org> > > > Subject: Cryptic Unix Arcana (was: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor, Anything > > !Windows = Cryptic ?) > > > > OH... MY... GOD! > > > > Sombody actually changed the subject line of this > > thread-from-Hell-that-just-wont-go-away! > > > > Thank you, Sean... this might revive my interest... > > > > ;) > > 'seems like almost everybody has a few things to say ... > > Dick But the thread long ago ceased having much to do with the monitor of your original inquiry. Wasn't suggestiing the discussion should stop... just that people should edit the subject line once the topic shifts... -dq

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APPLEVISION Monitor, Anything !Windows = Cryptic ?

by nemesis-lists＠icequake.net

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:34:39 +0000 X-Mailer: Pyne 0.6.9 (Linux) Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1020756426.880772@localhost> Ben Franchuk wrote: > In my view that what I don't like about linux/unix -- the design > of the architecture is still based on very primitive user I/O devices > and a mode of computing that is not realistic today. It's quite realistic if you depend on programs being able to talk to each other, and being able to operate them in a simplistic manner when necessary. For end users, it might be inconvenient (which is why we now have multiple abstractions in the form of desktop environments, GUI programs, and what-have-you), but the mere existence of the capability for a simplistic interface does not force the user to go through that interface. e.g., you can use vi or pico if it suits you, and it's definitely easier for a script to use something like 'ed', but as a user, you're obviously not forced into only using those programs, as there are programs with arguably much more intuitive interfaces to do the same tasks. -- Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253

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Heathkit Sweet-P plotter

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone have a copy of the manual for this? Or can at least post the specs for it? A Google search found nothing. Joe

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Kai Kaltenbach (was: RE: What other lists are there?)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Kai was on this list? I knew him in the 80's when he was coding on a > Citadel BBS..... Yes, back in the '97-98 timeframe. Zane

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What other lists are there?

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > > > > A lot of folks > > >> > who had a lot to contribute here have left because of this problem. > > >> > > >> Got any examples to back that statement up? > > > > > > Dave McGuire. Not an insignificant loss, in my book. > > > > Did I miss that? I don't recall him publicly bidding the > > list farewell? There certainly is a considerable amount of > > experience that left with the people already mentioned that have > > unsubscribed. > > He didn't post a resignation, no. He did, in private email, cite a > couple of folk in particular as irritants, but I think it was the > overall picture that got him fed up. Woa, when did this happen? Come to think of it, I haven't seen any posts from Sridhar, either. Come back, guys! Without the Dave & Sridhar Show, life is losing its meaning! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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IRIX on Personal Iris

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 7, 7:13, Robert Schaefer wrote: > Well, my latest toy is here, but it looks like I screwed up a little when I > picked up an IRIX CD for it. I got 'IRIX 5.3 for Indy R4400 175MHz', but > according to http://sgistuff.g-lenerz.de/ this version is Indy-specific-- I > need the plain vanilla 5.3 CD, or 5.3 XFS. Anyone have one to trade? Or > maybe even 4.x? Many of the ones listed as Indy-specific are merely lacking a boot file for Indigo and earlier systems. I installed 5.3 onto the Indigos in the next room from "IRIX 5.3 for Indy including R5000", having booted the miniroot >from an older release. > Also, if anyone has a source for 8MB simms, keyboards, and mice I'd be > interested. You can upgrade a 4MB SIMM to an 8MB one very easily -- just add the chips and change one (? IIRC) SMD resistor. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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