test-drb May 2002

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > Did I miss that? I don't recall him publicly bidding the > list farewell? There certainly is a considerable amount of > experience that left with the people already mentioned that have > unsubscribed. He did unsub -- many days ago. It was not exactly due to arguments, but due to his objection to some peoples' positions in them, I believe. I won't speak for him, though. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 9 months

I'm gone (WAS Re: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Sorry guys and girls, I'm outta here..... While on this list, I have met a lot of really cool people, and I have obtained a lot of neat stuff, and I've gotten a lot of help... I also have gotten sick of all the advocacy crap, the off-topic stuff, the tirades, and sifting through 400 KB digests (Yes, that's 400KB PER DAY) just to get a few nuggets... I'm actually at the point where I'm afraid to ask certain questions for fear of starting a flame fest... While I severely doubt I'll be missed, I will miss Tony, Allison, Jeff H., Joe R., and all the others who have helped me with information, or hardware... Please reply by private email, because my next message will be to unsubscribe.... Bye all, Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

22 years, 9 months

TTi tape drives

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

Doc Wrote quoting Richard E.: > On Mon, 6 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf me ... > > Actually, the disk I'm looking at, as well as the 2940 I have in my > hand, both say "adaptec" :) > > > Are any of those mfg's still in business? > > BusLogic >> Mylex > NCR >> Symbios >> LSI >> IBM I am fairly certain that Adaptec is still in business, while NCR is often the source for the chipsets, I think Adaptec is probably the largest seller of SCSI interface boards in the PC market. -dq

22 years, 9 months

An appeal to Richard E.

by mhstein＠canada.com

Richard, I'd like to ask for your help: Although many of your posts are way outside this list's frame of reference and they do tend to be somewhat, umm, long-winded, especially when you quote in full, I must admit that overall they are better written and show more maturity and even open-mindedness than some of your respondents; I'm also amazed by how Pavlovian that reponse often is and that some people can not resist replying and arguing with you, even in spite of themselves. So I'm appealing to your maturity and to this power you have to start controversial threads, and asking you to please take those discussions off-list once they get rolling. With judicious use of CCs you and those people who enjoy these discussions can have the same lively exchanges among yourselves, while those of us who don't share that enjoyment are spared dozens if not hundreds of man-hours of scrolling and/or deleting. Jay's efforts past and future notwithstanding, I really think that at this point you are the only person who can actually do something about this, and hope that you do. Thanks in advance (I AM quite sincere; there's no sarcasm intended in this at all.) And this latest thread has demonstrated at least one thing, the surprising lack of knowledge about installing/using/maintaining Windows among some of the people dissing it, which would at least partially explain why they dislike it so (just like the people who don't like linux or whatever for the same reason). OEM and scripted installs, accessibility options, use of the Windows and Application keys, remote computing, these all seem to be less than completely understood by some people. Maybe we could all ask, listen & learn a bit more instead of offering statements and opinions which are often incomplete or even wrong. BTW, ten years ago, Win3.1 had just been released last month, and it would be quite a stretch to call linux 0.95 an operating system. mike

22 years, 9 months

TTi tape drives

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Adaptec is still in business, but they did spin off some their software (Easy CD Creator, etc.) as Roxio. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dquebbeman@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:47 AM To: ClassicCmp List Subject: Re: TTi tape drives <snip> I am fairly certain that Adaptec is still in business, while NCR is often the source for the chipsets, I think Adaptec is probably the largest seller of SCSI interface boards in the PC market. -dq

22 years, 9 months

OT: FW: Jornada 560 dies, takes Corvallis tradition with it

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Apologies that this is a bit OT, but does relate into some areas that are of interest to people on this list. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Hal Goldstein [mailto:hal_goldstein@THADDEUS.COM] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:01 PM To: HPLX-L(a)UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU Subject: Jornada 560 dies, takes Corvallis tradition with it You heard it first here. We just got word, thanks to the merger, HP will no longer produce its 560 series! (It will most likely continue the 720 Handheld and successors). They will product "HP iPAQs" out of Houston. Frankly, I find it a total bummer as a long time HP watcher and supporter. This marks the official end to the tradition started by the Corvallis division, which invented the calculator. Yes, the division moved to Singapore and it was never the same. Still there were brilliant, innovative products that came from Singapore. With the new keyboard-cover HP Jornada 560, I finally, had no regrets leaving the HP 200LX. In my mind the 560 with longest battery life, fewest bugs, and removable battery was the best Pocket PC 2002. Now dead! The HP 200LX -- no successor, and from this list's point of view the best PDA ever. Dead. The OmniBook 800 -- efficient design, built in mouse, truly portable. Dead. The OmniBook 300 -- could actually run it on 4 AA batteries! OS in ROM. Built-in mouse. Dead The HP 110 and Portable Plus -- 1985 -- DOS portable with 9 hour battery life. Everything in ROM. Wonderful machines. Dead. Now we have HP Houston (who outsources the manufacture and much of the design of the unit). Good bye any sense of HP as we knew it. YUK! We will have info as we receive it at www.pocketpcmag.com Hal at Thaddeus ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml

22 years, 9 months

Free DEC stuff, Washington DC

by classiccmp＠trailing-edge.com

OK, spring cleaning time again. Free for pickup in the Washington DC suburbs: strictly first-come, first-serve, and I strongly want to get rid of the stuff this weekend. Some items are large and will require a truck (or a truly full-size station wagon.) If interested, drop an E-mail to me at "shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com" or call on my cellphone at 202-320-9410. OK, the list - largely an inventory of stuff that hasn't been used in at least two years: 40 RL01 and RL02 packs, with various diagnostics and other tools on them. A Wright-line cabinet with the metal racks for holding the above packs. 6 RL01 and RL02 drives. Rack-mounting rails for the same. RX02 drive unit. Gobs of RL01 and RL02 cables. Also, all my miscellaneous RL termiantors, buttons, unit select plugs, and lamps. 2 Storagetek 1600/6250 BPI 9-track drives, Pertec formatted interface, rack- mounting hinges. Many BA11- and BA23-style Q-bus enclosures. Bunch of 11/23-era CPU's and memory for whoever takes the enclosures. One pedestal-style BA23 with most (all?) of a Microvax III in it. One BA123 with most (all?) of a Microvax II in it. PDP-11/04 in 5.25" high box, H777 power supply. Several H960 (6-foot) racks will be available, assuming that you (or someone else) will help me carry them up the stairs. A bunch of Trimm drive enclosures for 5.25" drives. Styled like BA23's. Many 5.25" FH SCSI and ESDI drives. Many 5.25" floppy drives. Many Shugart 8" floppy drives. Tim.

22 years, 9 months

APPLEVISION Monitor

by mythtech＠mac.com

>(1) Several guys believe that using Windows obscures much of the power of >the >computer from the user. Is that important if the user's needs are met? > >(2) Several guys believe that using Unix/Linux is "Better." Why? If the >user's needs are met, what does it matter how it happens? > >(3) Several (at least one, probably more) Mac advocates have stated that the >Mac offers more efficiency. How does that figure? How does it help so long >as the needs of the user are met? > >(4) What does it matter which OS or hardware arrangement is "better" if the >user's functional and budgetary requirements/limitations are met? I think it has become clear... the reason why Richard can't grasp why something might be better than Windows is simply because he doesn't grasp that maybe, there are better ways of doing things. He seems content with successfully doing a task, and cares not about making that task easier, faster, or more "pleasant". For instance, I can flip a burger on a hot grill with my fingers. What does it matter if I use a spatula, I got the job done didn't I? My needs were met weren't they? And I even saved money up front since I didn't have to buy anything to flip the burgers. However TCO of this method will rapidly become apparent when I start burning myself. My "user experience" will decrease since I will have sore fingers. I will also start racking up bills on aloe cream to soothe the burns. But my needs were met, and I did it with a cheaper setup than my neighbor who bought the grill tools set, so why should I admit that there may be a better way... it doesn't matter, I can flip burgers just fine already. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 9 months

List Exodus (Was: Re: Kai Kaltenbach (was: RE: What other lists are there?)")

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > On Tue, 7 May 2002, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A lot of folks > > > > > > > > who had a lot to contribute here have left because of this problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got any examples to back that statement up? > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck McManis, Andrew Davies, Tim Shoppa... I'm sure there are more who > > > > > > chose to simply make silent departures. > > > > > > > Eric Smith too -- miss him. Eric stays very busy, and I think that's a common theme amongst the members of the exodus. They don't have the *time* to wade through the noise to get to the signal. However, I think some seemingly absent members might be lurking. Steve Robertson is one example who comes to mind. Eric remains everpresent on USENET, and co-collaborator Al Kossow continues to scan the list for comment-worthy material, so if you ring Erics's bell loudly enough, I think you'll get his attention. Others noted missing: Chris Kennedy (I fear my carburetor thread chased him off); Mark Crispin; Daniel Seagraves; Lance Costanzo; Rob Kapteyn; David Betz; Dave Mabry; Lawrence LeMay; Brian Wheeler; Brian Knittel; Dave Babcock; Clint Wolff; Curt Vendel; Jim Arnott; Shawn Rutledge; Edwin P. Groot; Brian Chase; Mike McFadden. If I keep digging through personal correspondance, I'm sure I'll find more. We didn't hear much from Allison until recently; did I just recently see a post from Megan? R. D. Davis was gone or silent for a long time (and please don't anyone use this as an opportuniyy for a gouge) My Co-Cyber Conspirator Greg Travis subscribed and unsubscribed in the very same day. Now, I'd like to believe in many cases, that people just get busy, and as you all know, if you subscribe to this list in non-digest mode, you MUST service your inbox or routed folder DAILY or you will just fill up. So I suspect some of these people unsub, then sub back up briefly to test the waters. They don't see what they like, they unsub again. Others may have switched to digest mode but don't post because there's not enough signal to be of interest. Oops, I forget I run at 1280 x 1024, and a windowfull of text might be pages for others, so I'll cut this short... -dq

22 years, 9 months

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by hartfordtrHAff＠btamail.net.cn

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test-drb May 2002