test-drb May 2002

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Classic Computers vs. Micro$oft 'droids (was: What other list s...)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > they will be appropriate. They did PLENTY of stuff to > complain about that > is ON-topic! The Windoze 3.10 Beta program (August 1991) Yep, and the complaints I have mostly regard the quality of their work in general, and are timeless ;) > 'Course for us old farts, it's hard to accept that even Amiga > and Mac or > on-topic. Were they really THAT long ago? No (not that I consider myself an "old fart," you understand...), they weren't. Ten years isn't long. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 9 months

CoCo

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > On Thu, 9 May 2002, moog53 wrote: > > Isn't coco a code for smartcard..if so, how does one > acquire the code..?? > On THIS list, Coco is short for the Radio Shack "Color Computer". > All you need to do is disassemble the 6809 code in the ROMs. Yep. Hmm... You "aint from around here," are you? ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 9 months

This week's find

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

That's a good lesson for we scroungers. I ALWAYS check for unusual parts when I go to a new electronic parts place. I almost always find something interesting. I went in a place a few weeks ago and found a NIB Intel bubble memory. I check for HP-IL cables (surplus places NEVER know what they are!), Intel 4xxx parts, etc etc. Joe At 06:18 PM 5/8/02 -0500, Toth wrote: >This certainly has to be one of my better finds to date. I'm now the proud >owner of 6 brand new i8008 cpus (sorry, not for trade, as I have plans for >these.) Finding them the way I did was kinda strange... A couple of days >ago, on a whim, I called a local electronics dealer and asked if they had >any i8008 chips in stock, and much to my amazement, he had 6 in the parts >bin. :) > >-Toth > >

22 years, 9 months

So-Called Real Programmers and FORTRAN

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > >It was in UCSD Pascal (on an Apple ][). As did the Z80 version and the NS* implmentation. >Anyway, Pascal blows. I disagree. The UCSD version was an excellent teaching tool but slower than sludge due to the P-code thing. Later implementations namely JRT and Borland were very useful tools. If Pascal did one thing it whetted the appetite for better languages than Dartmuth Basic or worse Integer basics. My own $0.02, Pascal is a good language and well suited to what I call fairly big tasks like databases and other fairly complex tasks on data structures. I also use Assembler, C, DCL, PAL and even QB45/dos for various tasks depending on the platform and task. Other than that, computer HLLs are like religion, hold the evangelism to a dull roar as the music section may not listen and the non believers have left the room. ;) Allison

22 years, 9 months

IRIX on Personal Iris

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 9, 0:28, Tony Duell wrote: > > > To upgrade Indigo 4MB SIMMs, you need to find eight 514400 (or equivalent) > > > 80ns DRAMs in 26/20-pin SOJ package, and eight SMD decoupling capacitors > > > (sorry, don't remember the value but such caps are usually about > > > 100-200nF). The capacitors are fitted in positions marked C3, C4, C8, C9, > > > C12, C13, C17, C18 on the DRAM side, before the DRAMs (which cover them). > > > > Sounds easy enough. Now all I need to do is find someone with an SMD rework > > station. ^_^ This'd be a good time to see about upgrading my SPARCBook2 to > > For something like this you could probably use a fine-tipped soldering > iron and fine silver-loaded solder. You'll have to work slowly and > carefully, but SMD soldering is possible with normal hand tools... Indeed it is, and that's what I'd often do, but in this case the DRAMs are very close together and I don't think it's possible to get even the finest tip in between, certainly not at the angle needed to get to the pads under the J-leads. I used a hot air gun last time -- similar to the type used for paint stripping or heat-shrink tubing, except that mine is thermostatically controlled. Use lots of flux, or tiny amounts of fresh SMD rework solder paste, keep the board level and firmly supported, and practice on a scrap item first. Given the lack of space between the ICs, if you do know someone with a proper SMD rework station, that would be safer. It's worth mentioning that last time I showed this to someone who does this sort of rework periodically, the first reaction was a sharp intake of breath! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 9 months

Tae Rings?

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Chris <mythtech(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >Usually gets tossed as the reels are removed from the box as it has > > >no further function. Unless, of course, your operators are > > >fun-loving sorts who like to throw write rings at each other and > > >relish the opportunity to throw something that looks similar when > > >it's moving fast but is a bit less flexible. > > > Like AOL cds. :-) > > This was the 1980s. Plans to dominate the computer room based on > accumulating two solar masses of AOL CDs weren't yet feasible. heh... Does anyone recall how environmentalists were in a tizzy about write-enable rings? Seems that like six-pack rings, they were being found washed up on shorelines, and birds were getting caought in them or something like that... I recall a photo accompanying an article in Time magazine showing a guy knealing down a picking one up out of the sand... -dq

22 years, 9 months

Windows V3.2?!?

by nemesis-lists＠icequake.net

> I remember a patch or add-on that was referred to as Win 3.2 - added > supposedly 32 bit features to the old WIn3.x and I think was just really a > tinkering project in the development of 95. You're thinking of Win32S, which was the first attempt at a 32-bit extension to the Windows API. Not Windows 3.2. :) I think OS/2 can run Win32S programs natively through Win-OS2. -- Ryan Underwood, <nemesis at icequake.net>, icq=10317253

22 years, 9 months

T3100 laptops?

by mhstein＠canada.com

Nice keyboard and gas plasma display, makes a good semi-portable terminal and/or text processor. 12 (6) MHz 286, 1MB RAM, 640x400 (25x80) orange display, 3.5 HD FDD, 20/40MB IDE HD, 1 8bit 1/2 length ISA slot (or proprietary T3100). AC only, external RGB & Kbd, Cen Par or Ext 5 1/4FDD, 2xRS232. Have owned one since new & have manuals & system utilities if anybody needs anything. mike ------------Original Message--------------- From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> I have seen some discussion on the list recently regarding the Toshiba 3100 laptops... I was just curious - is there some reason that these are sought after? <snip>

22 years, 9 months

T3100 Memory

by mhstein＠canada.com

Speaking of T3100's, has anybody found any expansion memory for these babies? Normal 30 pin doesn't seem to work. mike

22 years, 9 months

OT: Windows V3.2?!?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

A couple days ago, while dumpster diving I ran across a CD that had "MS Windows 3.2" on it. Unfortunatly it's Chinese, so I doubt I'd be able to make much sense of it :^) Was this a Chinese only version, or was there also an English version? I think this is the first I've ever heard of such a version. Zane

22 years, 9 months

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