On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 02:38:06PM -0400, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> Nah, just seems that everybody took a long lunch, according to Dooug
> Q... It was just kind of eery the way the messages just stopped. I had
> (wrongly!) thought that the list server bombed. But it didn't... :-)
I think Jay is still working on getting gatewaying between the two lists
working properly.
Bill
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Smith [mailto:csmith@amdocs.com]
> I'd love to have at least one of those. Don't know if I'll have
> the cash, though :/
That was actually supposed to go to Pat -- sorry guys.
Anyway, the jig is up now, I do like E&S. :)
Chris
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> From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers(a)nop.org>
> I understand the thinking behind bifurcation of the list,
> but this wont quell the foamy mouth shout-down/shoot-down
> crowd that lay claim to that manufactured "civil" right
> to protection against speach that they find offensive.
Jay --
I find Mr. Moyers' speech to be offensive in the context of this list. In
it, I found no reference to computers, or anything related to them.
Additionally, he implicitly invokes our right to free speech, but seems to
forget that this is a private mailing list, which means our rights may be
limited here. As far as I understand it, we may say what we want on this
list, but we may be banned from the list if we go too far.
I think you have done a great job of splitting up the list and moving it to
a new server and software. However, I would like to protect myself from
Mr. Moyers' offensive rants. Since this is a private list, is there any
mechanism for banishment of gross repeat offenders? It seems to me that
very few subscribers would want to keep receiving the sort of messages Mr.
Moyers continues to send.
Glen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com]
> I saw a pair of Evans & Sutherland PS-390's (small end table
> sized) down
> at Purdue Salvage today. I was wondering if they had any
> value... I saw a
> few cables for them and keyboard and a digitizing tablet, but
> no monitors.
I'd love to have at least one of those. Don't know if I'll have
the cash, though :/
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Torquil MacCorkle III [mailto:torquil@rockbridge.net]
First off, since I wasn't able to send this to cctech, I'll
assume for now that the messages we send to this list are
automatically forwarded for approval, or something like that.
> Does SGI have a timeline or anything up anywhere. I am
> wondering what
> the first SGI workstation was(R2000 right?). I know they made
> terminals
> before that, But i am just wondering about workstations.
They have a "periodic table of IRISes." Google ought to have some
of them. Their first workstation was the IRIS 2000, I think. Or
do you mean desktop workstation? :)
The IRIS 2000 was based on a motorola 680xx chip of some kind.
Their first smaller workstation was a "personal IRIS" system. It
was a tower case. After that, the Indigo.
I know specifically that the first Indigos used R3000 CPUs, but
you'll have to look up the ones used in Personal IRIS and IRIS 2000.
Also look at IRIS 3000, and IRIS Professional (I think those are the
ones) systems, which were produced in between. (In that order)
Chris
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> On Friday 17 May 2002 06:14, you wrote:
>
> > I think the obvious answer comes from the Church of the Subgenius:
> > your first duty as a member is to form your own splinter sect.
> >
> > By putting each Classic Computer Collector in their own
> > separate mailing list, we'll reduce the number of offended,
> > minus those who can successfully argue with themselves
> > either by virtue of nature, nuture or medication.
>
> Arent there variants of Eliza type programs that can do just that ?
Raymond, some of us were wondering if it might not be the
case that Raymond Moyers was such a program...
> A lefty bot would be easy to program, it would need only
> the standard reflexive stack of responses, and need have
> no input or sensation of reality.
Which would be no different than a righty bot, a Scientology
Bot, etc.
> Raymond
>
> Jimmy Carter said Monday he saw no evidence that Cuba makes
> biological weapons. Last year he saw no evidence North Korea
> makes nuclear weapons. It doesn't look dignified when a former
> president campaigns that openly to be Archbishop of Boston. .
> -- Argus Hamilton
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Although I don't think *anyone* on the list cares, it is
usual and customary, when quoting people who are not widely
known by a particular readership, to provide a statement as
to who the person is who is being quoted. For example:
> -- Argus Hamilton, right-wing comedian
Otherwise, such quotes fall out of the category of commentary
and into the category of propaganda...
If you really are motivated by an altruistic desire to enlighten
people with whom you view you have something special in common
(the interest or love of vintage computing systems), let me tell
you, the way you (and others) go about it does not work.
OTOH, if self-expression is your goal, why not just set up a
web page and thread it onto as many search engines as you can,
and perhaps include a url in your .sig that points to it? Or
join in one of the many unmoderated USENET newsgroups which
deal with this sort of communication by design?
Again, you have clearly have good experience with Unix systems
which the list would benefit from. But if you keep this ranting
up, everyone will just start to filter you out.
-dq
> From: Doc
>
> On Fri, 17 May 2002, Jay West wrote:
>
> <good stuff>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jay West
>
> Did anyone actually say "Thanks" yet? This is the smoothest list
> transition I've ever been through.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Doc
>
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, a standing ovation for
Jay...
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Hello? Is there anybody out there?
Traffic from this list completely and suddenly stopped... Seems odd,
considering the way some of the threads were going...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org]
> Dec has out in the field a bare few of these NT running
> alphas that for reasons im not certain of cannot run Unix
> ( something to do with the firmware ? other differences ?
> thats my understanding anyway)
On some systems, it was, indeed, only firmware. The reason that
VMS, or OSF/1 didn't work on these varies, though, from "just
firmware" to "we did something strange with the design of this
one."
Chris
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>From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers(a)nop.org>:
....
>> Thanks to Alex W. I picked up a Dec Rainbow+ w/color card and a DEC
>> VR240 and a DEC printer
>
> Isnt that one of those machines that need preformatted media ?
>
> Im not very knowlegable about VAX variants but i read about
> a certain small vax 2000? prized for its ability to prepare
> hard disks (flaw map/disk label) for the larger vaxen that
> lacked the ability to do it themselves.
Rainbow *can* format its own floppies. There is a similar DEC machine (Pro?
Decmate? Help, somebody?) that cannot, and some Rainbows make their living
as formatters for people that own the other machine. I don't know whether
there's an analogous situation for VAX 2000, etc.
The inability to format own media *is* a major and needless PITA, one of
DEC's crummier decisions, IMO.
- Mark
