test-drb May 2002

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by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Sellam Wrote... ____________________________________________________________ I need an EDAC connector for the DEC CR-11 (Documation M200) punch card reader I am trying to interface. This is 1-5/8" wide by 3/4" high. It has 37 conductors and is of the female persuasion. I need it's male counterpart to breed it. Does anyone have a spare/know of a source? ____________________________________________________________ Oh yeah, THAT critter! Interestingly enough, it is still a production part (popular in the commercial aircraft world among others) and I got some for my reader from Grainger. To quote 'Beat The Geeks' (I love that show - should do a variation of that at VCF, no?) "That's the good news, now the bad news..." They run about $90 EACH! (eek!) Altho if you guilt trip on me bad enuf, I did buy two and might even know where the spare is... (maybe, sorta, aprox...) -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

22 years, 8 months

VS3100m40 RAM?

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

What kind of RAM do I need for an m40? Is it the same as the m38/m48? I've got 16MB in mine now, but I'd like to take that up to the max if I get a chance.

22 years, 8 months

VAXStation 2000 SCSI (Was: TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > I'm sure that Ethernet was standard on the VAXstation 2000. I have at I didn't know that. > least one MicroVAX 2000 - it has the DHT32 8-port serial option, but I've seen two, both with ethernet. > did not come with Ethernet. It came out of a law office that had > terminals on everyone's desk (I got it when they asked their support > guys how much it would cost to add another 8 terminals - they went > with PC-XTs...) Funny and tragic at the same time. > > Wolfgang Moeller's SCSI drivers for these systems. (Which I've not > > tried yet, but will eventually... > I haven't tried that either. I got it as patches, but not patches > to my version of the ROMs. I got them as a solid block of code to > be split into ROM images, but haven't played the swapping game to > figure out which ROM works in which socket. :-( Hmm -- he also has a "boot disk" that will supposedly make them work without patching the ROMS, or you can install the driver into a VMS system on an MFM disk, and still use SCSI disks, without either the boot disk or the ROM patch. Wolfgang is a helpful guy, and last I talked to him I got the impression that he'd very much like to see somebody other than himself use them ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

OT - Rock salt or bullets

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/23/02 10:22:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, doc(a)mdrconsult.com writes: > Hurts a _hell_ of a lot worse than getting shot. > This I have to disagree with, Having taken two 45 slugs for selling a fictional Laser Sculpting Tool I think that actually getting shot is much more painful. The short story is that a local crazy thought I sold a laser to a couple of other locals who were going to use it to give him a lobotomy (1980). He came looking for them. When I told him it wasn't true, he shot me. The moral is not to tell a crazy that he is wrong. I only spent 11 days in the hospital thanks to an Ex Air Force doctor that had had experience with gunshots. No permanent disabilities, thank goodness. In the long run it lead me to moving to Portland and getting into the computer business. If I hadn't gotten shot many of you on the list would not have gotten the classics from me that you did. (to make it a little on topic.) Paxton Astoria. OR

22 years, 8 months

Fujitsu HALstation 330

by dtwright＠uiuc.edu

I just picked up one of those today. I'm not sure of the date, but I think it might only be 7.5-8 yrs old, making it slightly OT... anyway, does anyone know anything about this box? All I've been able to find out so far is that it was the first marketed SPARC64 machine, it was technically very good, but was a total market failure. In other words, it's obscure and weird, perfect for a classiccmp find ;) It's a sun-compatible box -- I've fired it up with a serial console and I get a sun-ish OpenBoot prompt, etc. So, my question is, does anyone know more about this thing? Anyone have docs, OS media (if it won't run normal solaris...not sure), or anything? Thanks! - Dan Wright (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan

22 years, 8 months

DEC Pro350

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Might it be possible to use the colour output when connected > to the TV? Now that would be an interesting appliance? Shoot, I think just getting it to work in monochrome on a TV is interesting! > > Is VENIX worth trying on this thing? > > I don't know what VENIX is or how it works, but I get the > impression that VENIX was used on the PRO350 when > the PRO350 was used as the console device for the > VAX 780?????? VENIX is a UNIX varient. Personally, of all the OS's available I'd recommend RT-11. My Pro380 was originally a VAX console (they were used on the 8000 somethings). It's still got the software for that on the hard drive. I'm not sure what exactly it is, other than I don't think it's P/OS, and it's most definitly not RT-11 or a UNIX varient. I think it's also possible to run a version of 2.xBSD (2.9 IIRC) on the Pro's. Zane

22 years, 8 months

Fwd: [CCTECH] QBUS backplanes, potentially free for shipping

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

--- Paul Thompson <thompson(a)new.rr.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thompson <thompson(a)new.rr.com> > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: [CCTECH] QBUS backplanes, potentially free for shipping > Reply-to: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:18:58 -0500 (CDT) > > > I will probably have some empty BA213 QBUS housings available free for > shipping. I will know if I want to grab these if I find anyone interested > in them and if I can find a box big enough to hold them as I have little > use for them myself. I'm interested. I have no Qbus boxes newer than BA23/BA123. > Either of these units might help give your QBUS Microvax some Q22 > breathing room. Yay! > On a related note, I recall that there was some ability to convert the > KDJ11 module for this DECserver into a working PDP 11/xx (83+?) with a > PROM swap? Does anyone know more about this and its feasibility? I traded some BA23 handles to Jon Engdahl for a DECserver CPU board with BA213 handles. I haven't pulled its handle yet. He did the work of putting "normal" KDJ11 boot ROMs in it (and moving a jumper or to, ISTR). It's an 11/53, effectively, based on speed and local RAM (there's a couple of flavors of it). I don't know much about the board other than the obvious CPU flavor and RAM, etc. I am not a guru when it comes to stuff that new. I'm fine with Qbus, but I really know the KDF11 stuff best. My goal is a 2.11BSD system, especially since I have more than one KDA50 (and a couple of RA70s). KA630s just aren't special enough for me to spend lots of time on; I'd rather fire up the 8200. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

22 years, 8 months

VAXStation 2000 (Was: TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > So, I made the correct console (shorted pins 8-9) and presto, Sounds good. > I have a DELNI that was going to attach to the thickwire > port, but then > there's that cable issue. I think it's odd for the VS2000 to > have the posts > on the thickwire port... cuz it just doen't fit with the Actually, yes, it is -- I don't think that my 2000s are like that :) You could possibly open the case up and just remove the posts. > cables and DELNI > stuff I have. Must be a different cable out there for the > VS2000 thick wire > port. Oh well, I'll make it work! Or your port is just strange. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

[CCTECH] Accounting for classiccmp server donations

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

There were a lot of changes to the proposed hardware after the fact that caused the price to change. These were all due to the 1U case that we got. Once the case was in, it turned out that the case only supported a slimline (laptop style) cdrom, not a regular size one. Also, the heatsink/fan for the proposed 1.2ghz cpu was too tall, so we had to use a smaller fan/heatsink which also meant changing to a slower processor. The 256mb DRAM that was donated was too tall, so I had to trade it in for two 128mb simms that fit. Then the supplier ran out of the motherboard that I was quoted, so we had to use a different one there. Loosely translated, 1U cases are a royal pain (I also had to take a dremel tool to the eject button on the floppy drive that someone donated to get it to stick through the hole on the front of the case). In any event, here is a complete accounting of who donated what, and what the exact costs were. Donations (Hardware): Pat 1.44mb floppy drive James Rice 256mb DRAM Jay West 4gb IDE hard drive Jay West 20gb IDE hard drive Note - Chad Fernandez was kind enough to donate a 32X cdrom, however, I had to return it because of the 1U case issue above Donations (Cash): Stan Sieler $25.00 Paul Williams $30.00 (-1.47 paypal fee) Bill Richman $50.00 David Mcguire $10.00 (-0.59 paypal fee) Nick Oliviero $10.00 (-0.59 paypal fee) Jon Engdahl $10.00 (-0.59 paypal fee) Peter Turnbull $10.00 (-0.69 paypal fee) Henk Gooijen $8.40 (-0.63 paypal fee) Rich Beaudry $50.00 (-1.75 paypal fee) Totals gross donations $203.40 less paypal fees (-$6.31) = net donations of $197.09 cash Hardware costs: 1U rackmount case w/slide rails $172.00 Mitsumi 24x slimline CDROM $50.00 Asus TUSI-M motherboard $66.00 (2) 128mb PC133 DIMM $72.00 Intel P3/667 cpu $110.00 Tradein for one 256mb DIMM $-72.00 Total hardware cost $398.00 less donations above (-$197.09) = balance covered by Jay West $200.91cash First, I want to GREATLY thank all those who donated hardware and cash. As you can see, every little bit truely helped. I am at a loss to explain why paypal charged different fees for some of the $10.00 donations. I do know that the first few donations came in when my paypal account was a regular account, and part way through receiving donations I upgraded it to a "premier" account (at no cost). I did this so people could donate via credit card as opposed to bank draws; perhaps that explains the differing amounts due to some difference in account type charges. If anyone wishes, I would be happy to provide scanned copies of my paypal account history and the invoice from my vendor to substantiate the above numbers. I took some nice pictures of the fully assembled system, they are still in my digital camera awaiting download. I need to go down to the datacenter and take some pictures of the unit with it installed in a rack. Once I get those too, I will post all the pictures on the web for those curious. System specifics: Asus motherboard, 256mb ram, 4gb ide drive for the FreeBSD v4.5 release operating system, 20gb drive for archives and webspace, 10/100 ethernet and video built into the motherboard, Pentium III cpu @ 667mhz, 1.44mb floppy & 24x cdrom. Packages installed - analog/reportmagic webstatistics reporting, apache 2.0 webserver, bison1.3 parser generator, cygnus gnats 3.113 bug reporting system (with wwwgnats for web based bug submission), mailman 2.0.10 mailing list server, and python 2.2 language. There's also a bunch of dependency packages (gd, gettext, jpeg, a bunch of p5 stuff, etc.). I'm quite impressed with the case - it has a huge fan that isn't a muffin style, it's more like a heater blower (enclosed turbo housing) and it really pushes some serious airflow. The drive bays are easy snap out the front (but not hot swappable). The top of the case slides off by just pressing two buttons on top, no screws. Other than the installation clearance problems, the case is a dream to work on. And yes, the front panel has "cool factor" (read: blinkenlights). Environment: The system sits inside one of the racks in our datacenter. The datacenter building sits on two separate city power grids, so we're covered if one grid goes down. The building is fed by five diesel generators providing 7.5 megawatts (typically enough fuel for 3 days of continuous power) and there is an external hookup to bring another generator in on a tractor trailer flatbed if need be. Our room has it's own 30 minute online UPS, mainly to carry through the 2 minute specification for the time it takes the outside generators to come up to speed with clean power. All of our gear (including the classiccmp server) is powered via APC masterswitch's, so we can power on and off any device via any webbrowser >from anywhere. The room is fully protected with FM-200 fire supression, biometric access controls, remote video survellience, etc. The classiccmp server ethernet port runs 100mb ethernet to our managed switch, and from there hits the outside world via a Cisco 7206VXR router. Our bandwidth provider is in the next room to us, so that connection is a direct gigabit cable. In addition, all the major backbone providers are in the same building, so in the event of a serious connectivity issue, we can immediately run a cable to anyone we choose (sprint, MCI, ATT, XO, Quest, SWB, etc.). Needless to say, the classiccmp server is in a great environment and well connected. And again I'll reiterate for those new to the list - I would be happy to host any classic computer related website, ftp site, mailinglist, etc. at no charge. My sincere thanks again to those who donated!!!! Regards, Jay West _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

22 years, 8 months

good places to visit in Kansas City?

by dougq＠iglou.com

> On Wed, 22 May 2002, Gary Hildebrand wrote: > > > Slowly drying up, but there are still a couple. Computer Garage has a > > very small variety, off of I-35 at Johnson Drive, on Merriam Drive. > > You mean there's a competing Computer Garage in Kansas, now that Jim > Willing has moved there? I'll bet they never saw that coming. > > Speaking of which, why not go visit Jim Willing? > > I'm sure he'll pipe up about whether he wants random visitors to his farm > or if he'll take shots at you with salt to drive you off his > propatee. . Rock salt tends to scatter when used by itself... for best results, pack it in with some country bacon... better chance of striking the target.

22 years, 8 months

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test-drb May 2002