test-drb March 2002

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > Actually, I bet it's more like: friends first, then back-scratchers, > then local folk, then finally out on the list. As it should be. > No dibbing. Unless Sridhar gives up on that 270. Then it's mine. Heh. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 9 months

OT Mitsubishi Monitor Weirdness

by vance＠ikickass.org

Hi people. I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u (nowhere near on-topic but I figure people here might know better what causes this kind of problem). If I provide it with a sync-on-green signal to its BNC connectors (It has five, I connect three), the monitor syncs up just fine, but all the areas that are black show up with a green cast. The white areas show up just fine. I haven't looked at an image with color yet, but I would guess that all the colors would probably be shifted towards the green. Any ideas? Peace... Sridhar

22 years, 9 months

Seen on RISKS-L

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Depends on the type of stone ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:09 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L Adrian Graham wrote: > What horse crap (as we all know)! Typical bloody uk journalists who can't be > arsed to research a story properly. If they want to see if it's *really* > still unreadable give the disks to me and I'll use them in my own Domesday > machine, based on one of those *wow*r@re* BBC Micros. > > Or do they mean the discs themselves aren't readable anymore, regardless of > whether you've got a Domesday machine or not? Stone tablets still keep better. -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

22 years, 9 months

Seen on RISKS-L

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> In any sufficiently large organization there will be lost files, > ones that are physically present but "lost" due to the owner > keeping important contextual information with him and either > leaving or dying. These lost files could be either paper or > digital; doesn't matter much. > sufficiently large = 15+ people > sufficiently old = 10+ years yes, this is true for the architecture firm I work for. Some earliest work didn't get archived. A *very* few archive disks (128MB and 230MB M-O) have developed problems that cause the loss of one or two files. But given the way they organize their CAD here, the floor plan or detail info they need is often contained in another drawing. We did some early visualization work on the Mac using Gimeor's Architreon, which is a dead product that never made it to another platform. However, I have been opening the animations and taking snapshots, frame-by-frame, so I can bring those animations over to the PC and show them there. It's a lot of work, admittedly... -dq

22 years, 9 months

Metro: Time runs out for Domesday discs

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

>stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the BBC Micro, of >which only a handful still exist. Got to challenge that, unless they're referring to the "handful" I've got sitting in the Toy Barn. And I doubt I'm the only one in the UK with several working Beebs :-) Al.

22 years, 9 months

Seen on RISKS-L

by korpela＠ssl.berkeley.edu

>Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:51:50 -0000 >From: "LEESON, Chris" <CHRIS.LEESON(a)london.sema.slb.com> >Subject: Metro: Time runs out for Domesday discs > >The BBC's 1986 Domesday Project (a time capsule containing sound, images, >video and data defining life in Britain) is now unreadable. The data was >stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the BBC Micro, of >which only a handful still exist. The time capsule contains "250,000 place >names, 25,000 maps, 50,000 pictures, 3,000 data sets and 60 minutes of >moving pictures.". The article notes that the original Domesday Book >(compiled in 1086 for tax purposes) is still in "mint condition". >[Source: London *Metro*, 01 Mar 2002] > >Additional comments of my own: > >The BBC Micro, along with the original Sinclair Computers, was the computer >that sparked off the "computer revolution" in the UK. The BBC Micro was >especially popular in schools, whereas the Sinclair computers were more >popular in the home. > >To be fair, the 1986 Domesday Project was in the days before the really >rapid changes in technology came into force - the BBC Micro was not a bad >choice of platform then, especially when you consider that there were very >few other choices available (50,000 pictures alone take up a lot of space). > >Moral/Risk: If you are wanting long-term data storage, the format is just as >important as the materials. > >This is not a new problem - It has appeared in Risks before (RISKS-21.56: >'NASA data from 1970s lost due to "forgotten" file format' for one...), but >is worth keeping in mind. I still have an old Commodore 64/128 disk with my >(very) old account details on it - not that I have a C64/128 any more. My >permanent records, however, are the printouts. > >PS: "Domed... We are all Doomed..."

22 years, 9 months

Seen on RISKS-L

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Sent: 07 March 2002 15:57 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L > > If someone actually knows how the data is encoded then it > doesn't sound > very "unreadable" to me. Considering that all the people who designed the project are still around I'd agree with that. The text you replied to was from Andy Finney's website, and Andy Finney was one of the Domesday project members..... a

22 years, 9 months

Seen on RISKS-L

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] > Sent: 07 March 2002 21:17 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Seen on RISKS-L > > You'd think the actual problem must be that the discs are > becoming unreadable, or that kind of LD player is hard to find > or maintain, or that there was some custom controller that's It was an Acorn SCSI controller inside the Twin-CPU BBC Master that connected to the LV-ROM transport, and even the transport was a bog-standard Philips Laserdisc player; granted with some extra gubbins on the bottom for SCSI access to the transport. Greenweld electronics (www.greenweld.co.uk) are still selling the Philips Laserdisc player in question for ukp30. Oh, and up until recently the London Science Museum had a working Domesday setup.... a www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk; *wow*r@re Domesday machine home!

22 years, 9 months

Top collectable machines

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> It was my understanding that Stardent was the result of a > merger between Ardebnt (nee Dana) and Stellar. This was correct; Poduska was also a founder of Stellar; he wrote the business plans for Prime, Apollo, Stellar, and Stardent. He has always limited himself to a 20-page plan, which many credit as one element of his success. -dq

22 years, 9 months

Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II, Symbolics 3620 documentation, software sought

by tony.eros＠machm.org

Does anyone have documentation or software for the Intel iPSC/1, TI Explorer II or Symbolics 3620 that they'd be willing to share? I'd like to start playing with some of my toys. Thanks! -- Tony

22 years, 9 months

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test-drb March 2002