> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric J. Korpela [mailto:korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu]
> Sent: 07 March 2002 18:24
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Seen on RISKS-L
>
> >The BBC's 1986 Domesday Project (a time capsule containing
> sound, images,
> >video and data defining life in Britain) is now unreadable.
> The data was
> >stored on 12-inch video discs that were only readable by the
> BBC Micro, of
> >which only a handful still exist. The time capsule contains
What horse crap (as we all know)! Typical bloody uk journalists who can't be
arsed to research a story properly. If they want to see if it's *really*
still unreadable give the disks to me and I'll use them in my own Domesday
machine, based on one of those *wow*r@re* BBC Micros.
Or do they mean the discs themselves aren't readable anymore, regardless of
whether you've got a Domesday machine or not?
a
>PS. Does anybody know of a source of datasheets (PDF) online for
the the
>really old chips like RTL,DTL,74Hxx,74Lxx? You still can find the
chips
>but not the data.
freetradezone is (effectively) gone now but
I guess they would have had all this stuff.
For TTL, I managed to get some CDs
direct from TI:
"Logic Selection Guide and Databook"
"Designer's Guide and Databook"
One or other of these has the TTL stuff.
I did this a few years ago when I went to
their website, found the technical literature
section, clicked on the ones I wanted
and filled in my employer's address.
CDs turned up in the post, free, about
two weeks later.
Same thing worked for the Intel Developer
CDs - these turned up quarterly for a while.
I cannot find the sign up section anymore so
I guess they've stopped (or they are somewhat
more selective ...!)
Motorola, Amtel, AMD and Cypress have
all sent CDs too.
It does save downloading and it certainly saves
a good deal of space on the shelves too!
Antonio
From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
>
>> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS
>> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or
>> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does
>> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS
>> older than 6.2.
>
>ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it
>to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've
>seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :)
Wrong! Unsupported means don't call if it don't work. It does not mean
it will not work. It does work and if the DEQNA is working as it should
(some dont) with few problems. It was done to retire the DEQNA as a
then very old design that was replaced by the better, lower cost DELQA.
You can get away with a DEQNA as late as 5.4-4, I'm running one!
I was a digit then, and it was significant to my projects so I was in
the loop as it were.
Allison
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> > Years ago, in the book "Steal this Book", Abbie Hoffman
> > suggested that anytime you end up with a punch card, in
> > order to be a troublemaker, soak the card in some solution
> > that, once the card is dried, has cause it to shrink
> > uniformly so that it will jam the reader.
> > As you can see, he wasn't much of a "fan" of "the system".
>
> Why not just punch some extra holes in it?
> /* was quite useful with 360 JCL
Hmmm... that sounds familiar, he may have
suggested that as an alternative method,
using a razor blade... he'd have been
pretty clueless about a keypunch, I think
(although he started as a suit-and-tie guy).
-dq
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org]
> Don't you mean a MultiVAX? :-) :-) :-)
Maybe the dual-cpu VAX-11 configuration could be considered a
MultiVAX?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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'
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dan Wright wrote:
>
> > how about this: whoever's giving away the equipment can do it in whatever
way
> > they damn well please? it's their stuff, after all... sheesh.
>
> Finally, some sense!
Agreed. We associate here my mutual choice, and we haven;t
chose to create a communal organizational structure (and
a commune simply won'y work with most groupings of people[0])
[0] ObCommFactoid: not slamming communes, but having lived
in one for nine months, I can tell you it takes a
special group of people to make it work, and we weren't
sufficiently special..
Sellam said:
>...governments want to try to control the
>content, for various political and social reasons (political dissent,
>porn, etc.) As we all know, try as they might, they won't be able to
>control it, ....
There is a scary article in last week's Weekly Standard that makes
this a more shaky proposition. Basically the contention in the article is
that the internet in China effectively *has* been placed under the control
of the Chinese government. The key technology there has been developed by
Cisco, AT&T, and other telecom giants given suitable financial inducement
by the chinese government, and as I understood the article, it involves
putting firewalls around the entire country, with enough power to sniff
packets for subversive terms to effectively render the internet unusable to
elements unfriendly to the government.
The article does hold out hope, based on cryptography, "pirate"
links from Hong Kong, etc.
Anyway, I'm not currently convinced that internet access is
currently synonomous with freedom of information exchange.
- Mark
Interesting one here...
While composing a reply in Outlook 2001 (on a Mac OSX 10.1.2), I wrote
'PayPal'. Since I have the program check spelling before sending :-) it came
up and thought I meant to write 'payola' instead of PayPal. Think M$ is
trying to say something?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org]
> Out of curiosity, how many here care whether or not the machines they
> collect are considered "collectable" or "top collectable?" Isn't the
> point of collecting these machines to have fun toys to play with?
> Collecting was more fun, and the machines were easier to find, when
> nearly everyone considered them worthless a decade or so ago.
Well, you didn't ask how many "don't care," but I'm going to chime in
anyway. ;)
I couldn't care less what the rest of the world thinks about my
computers. In fact, as you said, I'd prefer they thought them worthless
to an extent (though, that would actually make some things I'm
interested in more difficult to find, since they would get trashed more
often -- it's a mixed blessing).
I collect machines for my own personal educational and recreational
purposes. Admittedly, rarity is sometimes a factor, since any machine
that you find which is "rare," may have all kinds of quirks or
features which weren't replicated in other systems. Those interest me;
the actual "collectability" of a system does not.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> Everything VMS I've looked at says the DEQNA is unsupported in VMS
> >v5.2. Is that unsupported as in "don't call DEC/Compaq/HP", or
> unsupported as in "it don't work"? Am I stuck with NetBSD then? Does
> anyone know if NBSD will mop-boot over the DEQNA? I don't have VMS
> older than 6.2.
ISTR that's correct, and that's unsupported as in "We never could get it
to work right, so you're on your own..." The suggested solution I've
seen is to replace it with a DELQA board. :)
Try it with 6.2. If it works, it works. If not, let me know, I may
eventually be able to get a bootable MicroVMS 4.x setup on tk50.
That is to say, I have MicroVMS 4.x on a VAX with a questionable RD54
(takes several minutes to spin up properly), and a shot tape controller.
I will, as soon as I can replace the tape controller, produce a bootable
backup if it kills me.
> Oh yeah. It boots. VMS 5.2, but it's looking for the rest of a
> cluster, and apparently a lot of its filespace was remote. Bummer.
> Other than that, and the fact that I can't get it upstairs,
> it's a cool
> "little" box.
Ok, have you tried booting it conversationally, and turning off the
clustering? (I have never tried this, but it seems like it might work.)
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
