test-drb February 2002

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small-shop management was Taking control of your collection

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> But wouldn't I need the full FMP installed on the old IBM machine ? Since >this is a neighborly freeby I'm not about to put out big bucks for an >install. There is a developer version of FMP that lets you create runtime solutions, that you can distribute royalty free (you are allowed to charge any amount you want for your database solutions and don't have to pay FMP a dime past the cost of the dev kit). However, that developer version last time I checked is about $500 (that was the price when I bought it, it might have gone up or down slightly since, but figure around there). If this is just a "neighborly freeby" like you say, then I would agree, $500 is WAY too much to spend... as is $200 for a regular single copy of FMP. Depending on your needs, one of the FMP versions has been released as freeware. I *think* it is version 3, which would be good as it is relational and has decent scripting... but I can't seem to turn up any info on it. It might be version 2.1 that was released as freeware, in which case don't bother... it has no relational abilities so doing database linking gets to be VERY messy. If you want to poke around to find the free version, all I recall is some time back, FileMaker Inc released one of the versions free with a few magazine CDs (which I guess might not technically make it freeware, but rather just super cheap purchased... but I would think it would fall into enough of a grey zone that you could get away with using it if you can find a copy). I will keep hunting, and if I turn up any good info, I'll let you know. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 3 months

OT: But too funny...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Seriously, Outlook isn't the source of the stated problems; half-assed, > > self-taught, sycophantic sysadmins who can't secure their systems are! > > Is that true, or has network management gotten to the point that it > takes the equivilent of a PhD to be able to manage the thing? I don't have a PhD; it took me seven years to get an associate degree (well, you don't get credits for partying, and they were no yet offering a bachelor's degree). You just have to realize it's not just a mailer but a programmable platform and secure it accordingly. Regards, -dq

23 years, 3 months

Classic Comp UUCP network.

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Owen Robertson [mailto:univac2@earthlink.net] > would welcome the opportunity to be an active participant in its > development. My only question is (question, not criticism): Why UUCP? Ehh -- good question. Why not? I, for one, would be open to any similar method of communication. FIDO, maybe? :) UUCP is just what springs to my own mind. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

Taking control of your collection (small-shop management)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

"Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)mts.net> said: > So now I'm trying to set up a program using an old copy of >Paradox for Windows. (Yeah I know many other OS are better but M-Sloth >is what they'll be exposed to in this world) "This world" depends on what you give them, in this case, since they (from your description) don't have heritage or outside interaction with computers to consider. Thoughts: 1) You won't be around forever (no offense intended). 2) They may have to maintain or replace the system, or decide to upgrade, themselves. If you use Mac OS 7-9 on a used Mac and go with a used copy of Filemaker instead of Paradox, they are *far* more likely to be able to maintain the program themselves, and far more likely to be able to acquire new hardware (if the old one dies) without having to replace the software as well. Note that FM is currently cross-platform, so if they later decide to go Winders, they can. I don't know the cost of hardware and software to you, so maybe lack of availability of Mac's or copies of Filemaker makes this not an option, but you would be doing them a *real* favor to get them off MICROS~1 right at the start. Disclaimer: I don't run a business, so I may not know what I'm talking about. Anybody knowledgable here, please chime in. I think this is a *vital* topic for classic-computers, BTW, as keeping the machines productive is far and away the best way to keep them alive and known. The upgrade path availability is admittedly slightly off-topic, but relevant to the discussion. - Mark

23 years, 3 months

great site

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Sent: 12 February 2002 09:00 > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: great site > Unfortunately, a lot of pictures were posted that shouldn't have been. > What you're referring to were pictures that were taken of my > collection Aaah! That makes sense. No wonder I thought I'd struck museum paydirt! > The site is undergoing renovation but if you want something badly and > aren't getting a response, let me know and I'll get the > message through to the right people. OK then. I'll give them a test with an Exidy Sorceror, Memotech RS128 and an HH Tiger. *grin* a www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk

23 years, 3 months

"Mindset" machine?

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I came across a desktop something-or-other today with radiused front and rear faces, about 18"x13"x2.25", 2 1.5"x2"x5" sokets in the front edge with some kind of cartridge in one, and "MINDSET" embossed on the front side. I didn't have a flashlight, so I couldn't read the FCC label. Does that sound familiar to anyone? Doc

23 years, 3 months

Old HP Scanner

by tractorb＠ihug.co.nz

Thanks to all for the information re the above. Turns out it is basically a dog unless I can get the wierd special interface card which is scarcer than the proverbial rocking-horse excrement. There's a remote chance it was still where the scanner came from but I'm probably too late now. I won't throw it out just yet though- will put it with all the other 'computer trash' - just in case.... ('Oh Lord' sez spouse of 30 plus years who still can't get the car in the garage!) And the connector WAS a 36 pin standard Centronics style printer connector- enjoyed all the discussion though! Tks all Dave Brown Christchurch NZ

23 years, 3 months

Hubbell twist-lock connectors

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: James L. Rice [mailto:jrice@texoma.net] > Watch out for semiconducting tape. I had one electrician working for > me, who wrapped all of the splices on a entire job with leftover > semiconducting tape. When we megged the leads, every one showed a > direct short to ground. The guy had over 20 years > experience, but was > in over his head on that one. *ouch* I don't remember having seen semiconducting tape. Does it look a lot like normal vinyl tape? :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 3 months

SCSI Bus Problem?

by jhfine＠idirect.com

Sellam - this one is racked in a tower box as well with TEN 5 1/4" half height drive bays - is that what you are using? I can't begin to imagine TEN 5 1/4" FULL HEIGHT drive bays, but if that is what you really meant, then I guess this box is only half the size. But in addition to the 6 SCSI drives listed below, there are: two EIDE 40 GByte hard drives - eventually to be expanded to four one 3 1/2" floppy 1.44 MByte one 5 1/4" floppy 1.2 MByte one IDE CDRW burner one IDE CDROM Total drives = 12 the 2 (eventually 4) EIDE drives are hanging on two brackets OUTSIDE the box - so I can see the LEDs flash on them - the LEDs are on the bottom of the drive in the middle. The drives are hanging from secure solid brackets at the 90 degree angle orientation so they stick out only a total of 1 1/4" from the box - very little torque on the brackets. This idea was from a recent suggestion about hanging drives from convenient locations inside the box - thank you (I forget who gave the suggestion - I simply extended it to hanging the drives outside). I have been able to do the following with a single internal SCSI cable that is terminated via an active external terminator (#1 configuration): SCSI hard drive #0 FAT32 - ID=0 SCSI hard drive #1 FAT32 - ID=1 SCSI hard drive #2 FAT32 - ID=2 SCSI Iomega Zip Drive - ID=4 SCSI CDROM Drive #0 - ID=5 SCSI CDROM Drive #1 - ID=6 It all boots and work fine under W98. I can also use an external cable as well (#2 configuration - includes #1): Sony SMO S501 - ID=0 Sony SMO S501 - ID=1 Sony SMO S501 - ID=2 (this one only is terminated) In this case, I MUST remove both SCSI CDROM drives from the internal cable (not just power them down), but ONLY power down the three SCSI hard drives. This also boots and works fine. On many occasions, I wish to switch between the three Sony drives and the three SCSI hard drives. Since W98 and the device drivers think that the Sony drives are removable, none of the software complains if I switch off (i.e. JUST turn off the power) the Sony drives and power on the SCSI hard drives - no cables are added or removed and I use a spare PC power supply for SCSI hard drives, so the internal power supply for the PC is not affected. This all works fine and since it is the minimum configuration that I need right now, I am VERY pleased and satisfied. Question: Can anyone suggest why I must remove the SCSI CDROM drives from the internal SCSI cable before I can attach the external cable with the three Sony drives - otherwise W98 does not complete the boot? Hint: If I attempt to boot with the same configuration as #2 (i.e. with the 3 Sony drives attached via the external cable) but now with the 3 Sony drives turned off and the 3 SCSI hard drives turned on, I also can't boot - i.e. if I want to be able to switch between the Sony drives and the SCSI hard drives, I must boot with the Sony drives powered on and the SCSI hard drives powered off - and the SCSI CDROM drives removed from the SCSI internal cable. Please don't say I am not allowed to switch between the Sony and the SCSI hard drives in the first place - that is something I often require - it works and I am satisfied - if it ever stops working on future systems, I will obviously need to find a solution. ================================================= A note added this morning. My son#3 suggested that I eliminate the external cable completely. Just attach a connecting cable to the end of the internal 50 pin flat cable (remove the active terminator) to the external Sony drives (my case will always be run with the sides off) and put the active terminator at the end of the Sony daisy chain (instead of having that last Sony drive apply termination - so that when I turn off the Sony drives and power on the SCSI hard drives termination will still be there). This all works just fine. Except that when I boot >from a floppy to be able to copy a GHOST backup file from a CD to the D: hard drive, I must unplug the power from the SCSI CD internal drives as only TWO CDROM drives are recognized by the floppy when DOS from W98 boots. Since the SCSI CD internal drives are OT (10 years old and slow), I certainly want to use the "newer" IDE CDROM drives which are much faster. The reason that I will just copy the GHOST back-up file to the D: hard drive is that GHOST will not work when I boot with CDROM support - after I do the copy from the CD to the D: hard drive, I must boot again without CDROM support in order to run GHOST. All in all, the restrictions was very few. I now can now normally boot with all four CDROM drives and the three Sony drives. Or if the Sony drives are off, then I can boot with the three SCSI hard drives turned on and they will be recognized as permanent had drives with correct FAT32 file structures (I did need to do an FDISK). Of course, in this latter case, I can't switch to the Sony drives. The only time that I need to do something a bit unusual is to unplug the internal power to the two SCSI CDROM drives when I boot from a floppy and I want to copy a file from a CD to the D: drive - and then only because of the time it takes with the old SCSI CDROM drives as opposed to the new IDE CDROM drives. Question: Is there agreement that the probable cause of the original problem when there was both an external and an internal cable was likely to do with termination? But is there a specific explanation as to why the SCSI CDROM drives needed to be removed from the SCSI 50 pin internal flat cable when the three Sony drives were plugged into the external cable? 'Tis a puzzle, but now a satisfactory solution has been found.

23 years, 3 months

cdburners (Web site downloaders)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> asked: > Somewhat out of question, but does anyone know of any software that would > download a web site, or a portion, to a local disk? Chris answered: > I think the other app that I have heard recommended (I >use iCab myself), is called Site Sucker, or Web Sucker, one of those... WebWhacker came with the OS (mmmm... 7.6?) on my PB3400. It seemed OK, though I did not exercise it much. - Mark

23 years, 3 months

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test-drb February 2002