> > I would like to see some reasonably strict moderation, so we can cut out
> > all of the off topic stuff before it (always) gets out of hand. Off topic,
> > meaning Microsoft/AOL bashing, PeeCees, cars (antique or otherwise),
>
> Not to be picky, but:
>
> AOLs early (still bad) software ran on _on topic machines_
>
> Microsofts early (still bad) software ran on _on topic machines_
>
> PeeCees (I assume in the IBM sense) older than 10 years, are,
> according to the FAQ, and no matter how much you or I may dislike
> them _on topic machines_
Bill wasn't complaining about dull topics, just flamewars:
* AOL SUX!
* MICROSOFT SUX!
* COMMODORES RULE!
* MY PET WILL SMOKE YOUR 11/23
&c.
-dq
As seen on Slashdot:
Debian Planet: Installing Debian GNU/Linux on Alphas:
http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=605
This article makes reference to an article on Sellam's website titled
'Finding Vintage Computers - A Primer'.
-Toth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org]
> 1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
> or perhaps
> 2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I
> send them to the
> list
> I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give
> me the ability
> to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of
> the list. Of
> course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
> So.... advice please?
Personally it bugs me more when nobody takes these machines than
it does when I'm not the one who takes them. :) In other words,
go ahead and use the approval process, and if that gives you an
occasional edge over everyone for picking up this or that, then
so be it.
Honestly people see these things that we all collect as garbage
anyway, so anyone who waits long enough and looks hard enough
will probably find exactly what they're looking for -- and with
little or no money required, usually.
Well, that's my opinion.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com]
> My understanding is that it ran a small single-user disk-based OS
> and possibly a realtime OS... Bill Poduska and David Udin & Co.
> worked with these a bit and based the architecture of the first
> Prime Computers on the Honeywell 316. I always assumed that the
> early Prime DOS and RTOS were made to resemble something they'd
> used before (they weren't ready yet for their magnum opus).
According to what I've read in preparation for picking one up,
later Prime systems also have the instruction set(s) for these
in the core.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com]
> THERE on the BOX! 'Windows95 certified!" Jeez. "Linux??? Is that a
> game?"
Tell them "Yes."
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
Jay ---
My vote is for Roger's idea, and if that's not feasible for some
reason, go with #2. Maybe have two people be the authorizing agents (someone
else has volunteered a couple times for this position) to provide an honesty
balance?
Also, what about attaching an identifier to the subject line for not
subscribed addresses? Like, there's "FS" = For Sale, "FA" = For Auction,
etc... Something like [UNK]
--- David A Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 90581
Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001
Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash
> ----------
> From: Roger Merchberger
>
> Rumor has it that Jay West may have mentioned these words:
>
> >2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to
> the
> >list
>
> Jay, I don't want to insult your intelligence, but I've been doing
> listserver & mail server admin for ~~7 years, so if you do need some
> advice, lemme know.
>
> There is a 3rd option, and it's called TMDA, or Tagged Message Delivery
> Agent. (or pretty darned close) It can go right with your list, and
> automatically whitelist anyone who's subscribed, but anyone who's not
> subbed to the list, the message is held in a seperate queue for around 48
> hrs. or so (it's configurable) and a confirmation message is sent back to
> the original sender. If the confirmation is replied to, then the original
> message gets submitted to the list. If it's not, after the timeout period
> the message just falls into the bit-bucket behind the server. ;-)
>
> >I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the
> ability
> >to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
> >course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
> >So.... advice please?
>
> TMDA would not give you any opportunity of "early browsing", as you
> wouldn't see the message any sooner than the rest of us. (Unless you were
> combing thru the "waiting for confirmation" queue, and you'd have to catch
> the message before confirmation which for most folks wouldn't take long.)
>
> TMDA can be configured to automatically whitelist anyone who confirms
> their
> first message, then is trusted after that so the only time they'd see a
> new
> confirmation message is if they mailed from a webmail address, or it can
> be
> set up to confirm every time an email arrives from a non-subscriber.
>
> Check here:
> http://software.libertine.org/tmda/
>
> Oh, it can also be set up in a "blacklist" configuration as well.
And 12:11 11/11 1121, etc.
And 22:12 21/12, 2122, etc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:51 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT: Once in a Lifetime, Twice in Forever
Rumor has it that Joe may have mentioned these words:
[snip]
>
>The last time there was such a symmetrical pattern was long before the days
>of the digital watch and the 24-hour clock - at 10.01am on January 10,
>1001.
What about 11:11 11/11 1111?
> And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that
>will never happen again.
Bzzzt. Wrong again. What about:
21:12, 21/12, 2112???
<snip>
> TMDA would not give you any opportunity of "early browsing", as you
> wouldn't see the message any sooner than the rest of us. (Unless you were
> combing thru the "waiting for confirmation" queue, and you'd have to catch
> the message before confirmation which for most folks wouldn't take long.)
Jay-
Either your choice number two, or Roger's TDMA suggestion...
But if you go with #2 and the volume gets excessive, I see
no other choice but option 1.
-dq
In a message dated 2/21/02 9:44:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jwest(a)classiccmp.org writes:
> 2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
> list
>
>
I think this would work fine Jay.
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
I think that moderated non-subscriber posts seems to provide the best
balance so long as the volume of non-subscriber messages is relatively low.
==========================
Richard A. Cini, Jr.
Congress Financial Corporation
1133 Avenue of the Americas
30th Floor
New York, NY 10036
(212) 545-4402
(212) 840-6259 (facsimile)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:32 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: SPAM - RFC from list admin
I have noticed a few pieces of spam lately on the list. Our mail server
checks all the normal relaying databases, so that has kept most of the spam
out for ages. However, now a few have trickled in and it bugs me a bit. In
the past it has been suggested that the list be closed - ie. only
subscribers could post to the list. I have always avoided that because
fairly frequently someone will post from a non-subscriber that they have
equipment available, and I don't want to take that opportunity away from the
list. I see two options:
1) I can close the list from non-subscriber posts
or perhaps
2) I can require non-subscriber posts be approved before I send them to the
list
I would prefer to do number 2 above. However, this does give me the ability
to occasionally see available equipment before the rest of the list. Of
course I wouldn't abuse this, but - I don't even want that perception.
So.... advice please?
Regards,
Jay Wests
