January 2002 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by charlesleecourtney＠yahoo.com

Hi all, The thread on cleaning cards by running them through the dishwasher was timely as I am resurrecting an HP3000/XE. The system came from Pacific Pipe in Oakland and is the *filthest* system I have ever seen. The "computer room" on the second floor was left open to the work yard and all matter of dirt, dust, grime etc was sucked into the CPU, disc drive and tape. The CPU boards literally had a layer of grime covering them. Of course since this was an HP box it booted right up even though it was basically "clogged". Many of the HP cards have paper stickers indicating part number, revision, etc. Any thoughts on preserving these through a dishwasher cycle? Or should I just gently hand rinse? THanks! Lee Courtney __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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OS/2 1.3 EE

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/2/2002 8:07:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhellige(a)earthlink.net writes: << EE stands for Extended Edition, vice the other version which was Standard Edition, if memory serves correctly. I also believe that it was shortly after the release of 1.2 or 1.3 that MS and IBM went their seperate ways on it, IBM continuing to develope it as OS/2 while MS renamed the shared source code 'Windows NT'. Though the original specs for OS/2 called for at least an 80286, I've never tried running any versions prior to 2.1 (which calls for at least an 80386SX). >> OS/2 v 1.3 runs decent on a PS/2 model 60 286-10 with 3 meg. Too had it doesnt have the WPS though. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Ultrix 4.4 and VaxStation 3100

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Jochen Kunz [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de] ! ! ! > (assuming X11 worked on ! > the Vaxstation 3100 under Ultrix -- I assume it would.) ! AFAIK the SPX graphics was not supported, only the mono and GPX ! framebuffers. So there is some chance of NetBSD/Xwindows running on my b&w 3100m38? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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OS/2 1.3 EE

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Does anybody have a copy of this? I have MS OS/2 1.3, and I have > TCP/IP for OS/2 1.3 EE, but they don't work together. I'd love to have > EE so I can put TCP/IP on it and install the lot on a 286. Maybe I can > dig up a web server for it. :) > > Thanks! > > --James B. Microsoft OS/2 1.3?!?! It was my understanding at the time that Microsoft had nothing to do with V1.3. For that matter, what does the 'EE' stand for? Zane

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Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>You are still missing the point.... No, I'm really not... see below >My complant, yet again, is using the term 'Centronics port' for a SCSI >interface using a 50 pin Blue Ribbon connector. Because that interface >has little in common with the parallel printer interface mentioned above. >And when this SCSI port is on a printer it is very misleading to call it >a Centronics interface. Sorry, Tony, I was never trying to argue this point. I was only trying to point out the irony of using a misnomer to fight a misnomer.... regardless of the validity of either one... I had just found the idea funny. I personally don't disagree with trying to correct names... nor do I disagree with calling things by their "common" name, nor do I disagree with calling things by their WRONG names. As long as the item in question can be successfully communicated... which can sometimes, such as with the miscalling a SCSI-1 "Blue Ribbon" connector, a Centronics port, cause confusion. I understood what was meant, but others, more technically savvy than I may have been confused (in part because to me, a connector similar to that found on a printer, but that contains 50 pins is used for one of two things, SCSI-1, or 25 pair phone cable, and since this was a printer, I ruled out phone cable). To people like yourself, who have more knowledge than I can ever hope to, probably know of dozens more uses, and thus find it a problem to call it the wrong thing. >But this list is made up (at least in part) of technical people for whom >it _does_ matter whether an interface is a parallel printer port or a >SCSI interface. It may not matter to the average user (provided both >machine and printer have the same interface and mating connectors), but >it certainly matters to people here who want to use the printer with >other machines, who want to repair or modify it, and so on. Agreed (see above). For those that this kind of thing can mean something totally different than what was intended, it matters a great deal (like my tape vs film situation... if I had ever told a crew, "lets go down to the courthouse and shoot some film... get a crew together", I would have been in for a rude surprise when they showed up with a 32mm camera and DAT deck... when what I wanted was 2 guys and a BetaCam outfit). But like I said, my intent was never to argue this point at all... it was simply to point out the humor in the one responder's comments regarding a Crescent wrench, when discussing calling things by their correct name. See, I took it along the lines of them saying "Don't call it a Centronics Port, because if you do again, I am going to smack you with my Craftsman Brand Crescent Wrench". Now granted, that isn't what they said, but maybe now some of the irony I originally saw will come thru. They are saying don't call something by the wrong name, because if you do I will hit you with something that I am calling by the wrong name. I found it funny... I guess I am more easily amused than some others on the list (and yes, I am fascinated by shiny objects) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Nomenclature (was: Crescent wrenches

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Old Boss of mine called the larger triangular headed > snippers (sim.: Xelite wire cutter) "Dykes". Any word > on this... word. Is this a correct term? Yes, it's a contraction of "DIagonal Cutters". -dq

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OT: Older inventory programs for home computers

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/2/2002 5:19:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgwalker(a)mts.net writes: << Well I have to go with what I have excess in my collection. Since I don't have any MCA SCSI cards much less SCSI drives I can spare I'll go with the ESDE's that came with it. His shop is a large shed he built himself 10 yrs ago, with a little nook he uses for his records and paper work. It might be advisable tho to reverse the fan and rig up a filter of some sort as you point out. This is strictly a gift so I don't want to install stuff which I would pay for out of my limited resources, and I doubt he would have monies available for what might be considered not a priority as compared to a new set of wrenches. Thanks >> If i dont have to pay shipping, I can contribute a SCSI card and maybe drive or two. problem is, you'll need the bracket for mounting 3.5 hard drives in the mod 80. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

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Engieers (was: Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by CLeyson＠aol.com

In replay to my moan about engineers not being able to build Christmas tree lights, Tony Duell writes: > Do you own a suitably large LART? I've given up with the LART, it just doesn't work - re-education is a better approach - but then it doesn't work on the brain dead. > I must have told the story of the 362.8 ohm resistor. In case I haven't, > it goes like this...... I used to own an 8in Shugart drive a long time ago. For some strange reason that I couldn't understand it was stuffed with E96 resisors. Perhaps they were cheaper than E24 ? > I've come to the conclusion that the best (electronic?) engineers and > programmers are all essentially self-taught. It's probably much the same > in all creative subjects. I'd agree > ......You may argue that much of engineering these days is not about making > things, and that engineers rarely need these skills (that is a separate rant)... I'd argue that engineering is all about making things. OK, perhaps engineers don't need practical skills so much these days, but an understanding of other engineering disiplines is essential. You have to be able to understand the "other guy's" point of view, whether it be hardware, software, manufacturing or management. Lawrence Walker wrote: > Well from what I've heard about the "father of electricity" and Henry Ford for > that matter, he would hire a bunch of "promising" engineers like Tesla, > take what they've already discovered, claim them as products of his own > and become a wold-famous inventor. And of course, like Marconi, become the > "inventor of Radio" which we are now celebrating, despite the fact that Tesla > won a court decision in US courts to his primacy with it. History is written by > the Victors. I hope you meant Faraday as the "father of electricity" and not Edison. As for Marconi, I'd say he "pioneered" radio engineering but wouldn't have got very far if it hadn't been for Hertz. I'm not sure how Tesla fits into the picture, he did invent the squirel cage induction motor but I'm not aware of any major contributions he made to radio engineering. Chris

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 31, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > The only place that I have EVER met any people who claimed to be > "engineers" who might "have never heard of Amphenol" would be some > university folk who have never set foot into the real world. Ahh, those "engineers" who don't know which end of a soldering iron gets hot. A fond memory from around 1991, while working for a small defense contractor in NJ, talking with a 2nd-year "summer slave" on loan from MIT (of all places!). I'd assigned him to write some data reduction code in FORTRAN for a remote sensing project, and later wound up having to do it myself: Me: "This program needs a lot of work." Weenie: "Hah! Where did *YOU* go to school? See here:" [weenie scribbles some incomprehensible equation on the whiteboard] Me: "I didn't. But I damn well know a REAL*4 on this VAX won't deal with the IEEE-format floating point numbers from the spectrometer without format conversion, for starters. Weenie: "WHAT?! [horrified look] You actually want to RUN this program?" Me: "Of course. Why the hell do you think I asked you to write it?" Weenie: "Isn't this just an exercise?" Me: "We are a defense contractor. We build machines to kill people. Look at the size of my gut...we NEVER exercise around here." Weenie: "Does this mean I have to type this program in, like on a computer?" Me: "No. You're fired." -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Try it!!!! (Was - Re: One More PCB Dishwasher Question)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Be sure of the result before you suggest. I used to also handle automotive product so I have a better than average knowledge of the ourcome. Allison From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Try it!!!! (Was - Re: One More PCB Dishwasher Question) >> But is not that change the same as going from COLD to HOT when you apply >> power to the chip under normal operation of the computer? > >For the big stuff, sure. Not for the small stuff (glue, I/O, memory, and >other stuff that does not suck much power). > >Here is a test. Boil some water in a big pot, as if you were to make >pasta. Turn the gas off, let it cool just a few seconds, then dump all your >favorite chips in. I am sure one will not comeout alive (or maybe crippled). > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org

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Crescent wrenches

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Aah, I'm getting tired. I rest my case. Your tool listing was NOT from a catalog... it was from someone saying what you need to show up with. I specifically said it would NOT be listed that way in a CATALOG (although, I do retract my statement, as I have found one such listing that it does to my great surprise). Since it is a list of tools to show up with... it could very well be that you should have a true Crescent wrench (but that is stretching it pretty far, so I am sure they are just refering to any adjustable "crescent" wrench) As for the theater, that may be regional, that may not be... the theaters in my area do NOT call it a crescent wrench unless you are a "rookie". That doesn't mean other theaters don't. (And we call the others a "pipe wrench" or a "monkey wrench" depending on if it has a loose head or not, pipe is loose, monkey is fixed) Once again, it is language, and ALL language is regional, sometimes as microscale as within a few city blocks. The argument still holds no water when the discussion is calling an item by its CORRECT name. Crescent, no matter HOW "accepted" is not the "technically" correct name. It is no more correct than a DB9 in reference to what is a DE9. Sure, it might be widely accepted, and you may have a better chance of getting what you really want, but it is still "technically" incorrect. Aah... I'M getting tired... I give up... this was never supposed to be a wrench discussion, it was supposed to be a one shot email pointing out irony. (Hey Sellam... demand some moderation already to bring this to an end and put me out of my misery) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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WTB SGI Indy

by wlewis＠mailbag.com

R. P. Bell said: > Anybody got any good suggestions on where to go to get a nice SGI Indy, just > for playing around -- preferably cheap? Contact me off list and let me know what your idea of cheap is. William Barnett-Lewis wlewis(a)mailbag.com

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Wanted: One Specific Piece of Software

by vance＠ikickass.org

Specifically, dBase 5 and dBase Compiler. Peace... Sridhar

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At least around here, they are teaching that it is an Adjustable Wrench, > and specifically teaching that it is NOT a Crescent wrench. Heh. Mexican speed wrench... ;) -dq

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DEC bus driver/receiver chips

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>Yes (assuming the VT78/WS78/WT78 are all the same thing). Are you needing >some part in particular or just general looking? I have a WT78 (along with its dual floppy drives). I left the table behind but now I realise I've probably destroyed its historical value :-( It came with a couple of 8" floppies and a few (two or three) WPS manuals. I have zero technical info so anything vaguely technical would be nice. I've looked through your list of docs, and apart from WPS, OS/8 (does that apply??) and docs with 78 in the date I don't see any stuff that applies. Printsets, tech manuals, anything that will help me fix it (I'm sure it will break sometime in the next thirty years or so ...) would be nice. The computer conservation society here in the UK had one too that they were working on (I don't recall it's exact condition) but they didn't have any docs available when last I looked. I'll hunt out my two or three docs soon (they're in the garage too - and it's a tad cold right now!) and I'll get them scanned if they're not something you already have. Antonio

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[OT] Euroconversion for WP5x

by sipke＠wxs.nl

This is a possibly [OT] but a rather acute problem on the European continent and maybe elsewhere.......... and WP51 under MS-DOS is rather vintage these days ..................... How do you get your good ol' WP5x to print anything resembling a EURO SYMBOL ..... I had to figure out this problem for my girlfriend cause at her work they still work with WP51 in a MS-DOS environment and it will take a few month (maybe years) before they'll switch to some winsux solution ........ (I admit this sounds stupid but, uhm... it's true!) For anyone with the same pressing needs ......... I've posted a few EURO-symbol options in a WP5x file in the Euro-folder of the filesection of my website. (English and Dutch versions aviable) Sipke de Wal ----------------------------------------------- http://xgistor.ath.cx -----------------------------------------------

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I install fire alarm systems... Now, if you had asked me which one connects >the handset to the phone, you'd have me stumped! I had been taught that was a Rj-11 "handset", which has never really sat well with me... but it is what I was taught, and it is what my telco catalogs list the part as, so I had to accept it. Thanks to that link, it is claimed to be an RJ-22, which sits MUCH better with me since it has its own designation. I can't speak for its accuracy as it is the first time I have heard that, but if I had to pick, I would go with RJ-22 over RJ-11 "handset". Oh, and I was taught in the field all my telco knowledge, never went to school... it is learned from various Bell and private installers/techs/whathaveyou... so who knows how accurate they are, but I tend to give them more credence than most schools (except maybe some Bell installers, the older ones are good, but most of the younger ones suck royally) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 30, Chris wrote: > >Would they call common network connectors "8 pin RJ-11"? > >Or would they call them "8 pin telephone connectors"? > > Neither, 8 pin RJ's are an RJ-45 (11 is a 4 pin, comes in either standard > or handset sizes... can also have just 2 pins for "cheap" cords... 12 is > a 6 pin, same physical size as a standard RJ-11) It's important to note that the RJ designations specify not only the connector type, but the pinout. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>>what should you >> call a Yo-Yo? (just seeing how many people know the answer to this one) > >Who knows? It's a YoYo here too. It was a trick question The correct answer is still YoYo. The YoYo was invented by/originally sold by the YoYo company. They only made the one self named toy. Duncan later came out with the same toy (capatalizing on the the success), and called it a YoYo since that is all people knew it by. YoYo Corp failed to sue in a timely manner (because they were getting recognition for every sale, not just their own). When Duncan started to beat them out, they then sued for trademark infringement, but lost, because it was deemed too late. Thus YoYo became not only the name of the manufacturer, but officially the name of the toy as well. Frisbee is a similar situation, there is no other "offical" name for the flying disc toy -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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This is my fifth attempt to get deleted.If i swear will i get automaticly wiped?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>> This is my fifth attempt to get deleted.If i swear will i >> get automaticly wiped? >> Please help me surely someone can. > >Well, you must be old enough to wipe yourself to be on >this list. Please consult here for instructions: > http://www.classiccmp.org/firsthelp.html Well I had the opposite problem - it took me three goes to get subscribed; the final method (which worked) was to find the list owner's email and go direct :-) I don't know whether the automatic stuff was broken for all or just broken for me (nor, indeed, do I know whether it is fixed). So maybe he's tried and it doesn't work, in which case maybe he'll reply :-) I'd post Jay's email but since he moved just afore Xmas (IIRC) then it may not be too much use. Antonio

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This is my fifth attempt to get deleted.If i swear will i get automaticly wiped?

by jamie＠rbattison.freeserve.co.uk

Please help me surely someone can. _______________________________________________________________________ Never pay another Internet phone bill! Freeserve AnyTime, for all the Internet access you want, day and night, only ?12.99 per month. Sign-up at http://www.freeserve.com/time/anytime

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International Extensions

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Oh yeah-- I almos' forgot: ..cx - Christmas Island ..tw - Republic of China ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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International Extensions

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

..ch - Switzerland ..ru - Rumania ??? <<< RUssia ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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PC-Tools (was: Hep me!! scsi adapter DOS drivers (ot?)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 1, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > KEEPING THE DISPLAYS PRETTY WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DATA INTEGRITY! Wow, sounds like Windows! -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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VMS 6.1 S/W Kit

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

+AD4- John Allain wrote: +AD4-The two problems I'm aware of is that the CD's aren't +AD4-9660 or PC compatible, so you need a VAX. Also most There is a Windows (or DOS??) reader available on the OpenVMS Freeware V4 CD at: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/ods2-reader/ My recollection is that there was an even better one on the V3 Freeware but I cannot locate it on the V4 or V5 disks (I know some stuff was pruned to make room for newer stuff). Of course, once you get that far you'll find that the binaries are mostly OpenVMS BACKUP savesets (and if they aren't, they'll be PCSI...) and the docs are almost certainly in Bookreader format (and the Windows Bookreader product never made it out of the door). You +ACo-might+ACo- be able to make some use of this using the SIMH and TS10 VAX emulators, but I've not got around to firing those up yet and playing. Antonio

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FAQS.ORG needs funding!

by vcf＠vintage.org

Please read this message: http://www.faqs.org/save_faqs-org.html I don't know how many of you use faqs.org to get FAQs (I don't myself) but I happened to run by this message and thought I would pass it along. They're in need of funding as they've lost their previous sponsorship. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Oh, I know. But no self-respecting scooter tramp, or British auto > > enthusiast for that matter, can let a reference to Lucas go by. > > "It's the Law." > > I have heard about the "love" people have towards Lucas. I have some old > radar stuff they made for World War 2, and...ummm...I am not impressed... How's the joke go? Why do the Brits drink their beer warm? Lucas Refrigerators.... Then, there's Lucas, Prince of Darkness... Tony? -dq

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*DING* Unibus addressing - KZQSA SCSI adapter

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

You DEC old-timers out there will probably chuckle at my little "discovery", but I'm posting my findings for us who are "DEC challenged".... Yesterday I was pulling my hair out trying to get my VAX 4000-500 to recognize an external RRD-43 CD-ROM that was attached to a KZQSA SCSI adapter. No matter what I did, it wouldn't recognize the fact that anything SCSI was connected. The problem turned out to be the address that the KZQSA was set to. It was set to address 761400, and the 4000 was reporting the card to be a DEFQA, which to even a DEC newbie as myself, was VERY wrong. A search through the "VMS wizard" archives at Compaq.com turned up the statement that the KZQSA was shipped with a default address of 761300. So I fiddled with the address jumpers and set it to 761300 and *voila*, the 4000 found the KZQSA. I hooked the external SCSI enclosure to the card, and it found the CD-ROM. It was able to boot VMS from the CD, and I'm on my way. Again, don't laugh too hard, I hope this message helps others who are "Unibus Ignorant".... - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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backdoor account for Micro/RSX ?

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hi all. First of all, best wishes and good health for 2002! During the holidays I had a look at my 11/53. It boots fine, this is what appears on the VT102. 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 <head load/unload on the RX50> DU0 Micro/RSX Micro/RSX system startup procedure <in double-width font> Copyright (C) 1986 by .. Time and date: 13:44 31-dec-01 <filled in by myself> Startup will take between one to three minutes to complete. SFD -- Device not variable speed multiplexer $; $; Installing Software via Command File LB:[VGS5000MC]VGS5000.CMD $; Task "TT0 " terminated Odd addrfess or other trap four R0=000000 R1=100076 R2=000000 R3=040724 R5=000000 SP=121222 PC=123002 PS=170011 $; $; Installing Software via Command File LB:[EDP]EDP.CMD $; 31-DEC-01 13:45 From MICROD::TT0: to ALL: SYSTEM READY FOR LOGIN $ $ <EOF> $ Have a Good Afternoon 31-DEC-01 13:45 TT0: logged off MICROD $ So, I guess, this looks good. I do not have any experience with RSX or Micro/RSX. At the $ prompt MCR accepts only "login", "hello", and "help". Now, I vaguely remember from this list that when you enter login, the account is either "master" and the password is "system" or vice versa. Neither combination is accepted. Is there a way to get in, or remove the account file? Or should I try to load an other OS as I want to add a DEQNA? - Henk.

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Tektronix 4041 GPIB controller

by montym＠swbell.net

Just ran across your posting on the Tek 4041. I've got both the Operators and Basic Programming Manuals for the 4041 and two of the computers with tapes! I ran across the same problem - no 4041 keyboard. You didn't mention whether you have any of the option ROMs in your 4041. They are in a pullout tray behind a snap in brown panel below the front keypad (use a coin in the slot in the top of the panel). If you have the Program Development ROMs you will be able to write 4041 BASIC programs - otherwise your machine will only execute 4041 programs from tape :( Since you say you've been able to type some commands on your keyboard converter - I would say you might have the Program Development ROMs. I've got the full set Program Development v2.1 #1 and #2, 4041 Graphics, 4041 Plotting, 4041 Signal Processing and the 4041 Utility ROM. Here are some control key sequences (listed as RS232 control keys) to try: Control-A Autonumber Control-B Break Control-C Abort Control-D followed by 1-9,0 User Defined Functions 11-20 Control-E or Backspace Rubout Control-F followed by 1-9,0 User Defined Functions 1-10 Control-H Rubout Control-I or Tab Horizontal tab Control-K Kill to end of line Control-N Recall Next Control-O Insert Control-P Recall Previous Control-Q Continue 4041 output Control-R Recall Line Control-S Stop 4041 output Control-T Step Control-U Clear Control-V Autoload Control-W Move cursor to beginning of line Control-X Delete line Control-\ Move cursor left Control-] Move cursor right Control-^ "Meta"-prefix followed by C CONTINUE followed by L LIST followed by R RUN followed by other chars ignored ESCAPE Suppress immediate execution of the following control character The 4041 BASIC is a lot like 4050 series BASIC, but it has added commands for tape directories, GPIB, and uses a Stream specification format for devices. My experience and 4041 Operators Manual says that RS232 must be configured before it becomes operational. Their recommendation is to create a file that is automatically loaded and run first on a tape when you press the AutoLoad button on the keypad. The Tek System Verification tape actually prompts you "TERMINAL CONFIG(1-YES,2-NO)" at the beginning and allows you to key in RS232 parameters which are then saved to the Verification Tape. Using your "keyboard" try the following commands: SET DRIVER "COMM(BAU=2400,BIT=7,PAR=ODD):" SET CONSOLE "COMM(CON=YES):" If you have two serial ports on your 4041 you may have to add a zero device number to each of the lines (COMM0 instead of COMM). Permitted COMM parameters and ranges: BAUd 75,150,300,600,1200,2400,4800 default 2400 IBaud any integer from 2 to 9600 if 0, use the BAUd parameter BIT 5,6,7,8,9 default 8, includes parity if used (BIT=5 has no parity, BIT=9 must include parity) PARity NO,ODD,EVEn,HIGh,LOW default NO STOp 1 or 2 default 2, for BIT=5 and STOp=2 uses 1.5 stop bits FLAgging NO,INPut,OUTput,BIDirectional, default OUTput MODem,AMOdem,EMOdem EDit RASter,STOrage,402,ANSi,850 default RASter FORmat ASCii,ITEm default ASCii. ITEm allows full 8bit codes TYPe-ahead =>100 default 100. max 32K DS OFF,ON default ON. Data Set Ready output line CTS OFF,ON default ON. Clear to Send output line DCD OFF,ON default ON. Data Carrier Detect output line ERR LOG,REPort default REP. errors displayed immediately ECHO YES,NO default YES CONtrol YES,NO default YES CR CR,CRLf,LFCr default CRLf LF LF,CRLf,LFCr default CRLf For the BASIC OPEN command, from my programmers reference guide: OPEN #logical unit: stream spec [,string var] ex: 1020 OPEN #1: "TAPE: FILEB (OPEN=UPDATE)",LU1$ Logical Unit 1 is designated as the tape file FileB, to be updated. LU1$ is given the entire stream spec string. Here is an input from GPIB device example: INPUT #"GPIB(PRI=21):": Var The numeric value Var is read from device 21 on GPIB I found GET in the full Programmers Reference book - it issues a GPIB Group Execute Trigger command. Syntax: GET[(numexp[,numexp]...)] Bus Traffic: [ATN UNL] [ATN Listen-Address-1] [{ATN Listen-Address-2}...] ATN 8 Hope this helps, Monty McGraw Spring TX Tek 4041,4052,4054,4631,4662,4957... :)

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NEXT Color Printer find

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > Sadly, if we allow the language to degenerate in the direction in which it's > been "progressing" over the past three decades, we'll reach a point where > all our words are of a single syllable and only the inflections will signify > meaning. That's back to pre-Neanderthal communication, isn't it? > > 't ^^ > seems as though everyone wants to conceal the weaknesses in their own > knowledge (and > vocabluarly) by allowing others to fill in the blanks. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Unfortunately, the point at which we've now arrived is one where there are > more blanks than words. This isn't > irreprarable, is it? ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Dude. Get a spell-checker. Or learn to spell. Especially when composing messages concerning the deterioration of American English. Glen 0/0 .

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S-100 score!

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

My sister-in-law works at the Post Office and knows lots of the local customers. She happened to learn that one gentleman had some "old computers" in the attic. When I called him, it turned out to be an XOR S-100 box w/dual 8" drives, a Liberty 100 terminal, and some loose S-100 cards (including a Cromemco serial/parallel card still in the shrink wrap, a few 8K cards (2102 and 2114-based) and a couple of SMS video cards, one as yet unstuffed with the chips under plastic). No OS, few docs (some of the cards _do_ have manuals). He kept the S-100 prototype card he once wrapped for his first CPU (sockets intact, chips missing, wires removed). The sad news is that he mentioned that he used to have an old computer that he threw out... his son brought it home ($20 at a yard sale) back when Dad had a 386 in the living room - it was a Digital Group machine. :-( So... Anyone have any info on XOR boxen? I have a CP/M disk for the C-128 and stuff for the Kaypro, but nothing on 8". Can I mail anyone blank disks to be copied onto? What sort of information would I have to provide to be able to put together a compatible disk? Brand of disk controller? Type and manufacturer of CPU card? Serial card vendor? Also, how did S-100 video cards work? Did you still have a console terminal but use the video card as a secondary peripheral? -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Any AMIGA users?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] > Has anybody ever actually SEEN and USED any software for the catweasel > that will make an Amiga disk (NOT duplicate one that is present)? Not me, though, I've seen documents (probably in UAE) that say you can write disks to images and images to disks if you use it. The linux/netbsd/freebsd drivers, from all I've seen and heard, should access disks fine for making images and the like. > I think that "MatchPoint" might be their board that you're > thinkking of. I was thinking of compati-card, actually. I was un-aware that it had this same limitation. I may have to see if I can find one of these "MatchPoint" boards now, though. What are my chances? > What software is available for Mac to do Amiga disks? Again, I seem to remember from docs that UAE will use it directly. So you'd be stuck with a chicken-egg scenario where you need an image of the O/S (or boot disk) to get it working. :) Otherwise it would work fine. I have seen mappings for the linux fdparam (I think that's the program..) which will make your system use the format at a low level, and have heard that catweasel works with linux. In that case you can image/unimage the disks pretty simply. As for a program that reads/writes the filesystem (I assume that's what you're asking...), I don't know of one, but I believe that given the number of people interested in amiga emulation, somebody must have written one. If they havent, get an amiga emulator set-up, and chances are that will do it for you. (Again, I seem to remember mention of this in the UAE docs) I would, of course, be interested to hear from anyone who's really tried it. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/1/2002 7:55:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net writes: << > on a public mailing list And one that get's archived permanently into one of the worlds most heavily used search engines. Might as well stand out in front of IBM and shout it out. >> calm down, no one has admitted to anything including myself. talk is just talk. nothing has even been done. --

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SCO Open Desktop (Re: Tape drive needed)

by ken＠seefried.com

My first "real" job was heavily involved with SCO. We (SecureWare) wrote the C2 subsystem for SCO. To actually load this software, there should be a blue or pink card with a serial number on it. On December 29, Chad Fernandez wrote: > The other day I found a SCO Open Desktop 2.0.0 media kit, on Qic24 > tape. I don't have the correct drive...... I don't have any tape drive > experience, actually. > > Does anybody have an unneeded Qic24 SCSI tape drive? I checked Ebay and > I didn't see anything that I thought was what I needed. Pretty much any drive that reads 60MB DC600A tapes should be able to read these tapes, but you will need to find a supported controller. I remember using Wangtek drives & controllers. > This is going back into a very fuzzy memory...but does anyone know > if an Archive 2150S drive (QIC-150) will read QIC-24 tapes? Yup...a 2150S should read these tapes. I'm pretty sure the Adaptec 154x controllers are supported by the install software. Ken

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SCO Install (was Tape Drive)

by ken＠seefried.com

My first "real" job was heavily involved with SCO. We (SecureWare) wrote the C2 subsystem for SCO (among other interesting things). BTW...To actually load this software, there should be a blue or pink card with a serial number on it. I don't know if the current free SCO license covers stuff this old. On December 29, Chad Fernandez wrote: > The other day I found a SCO Open Desktop 2.0.0 media kit, on Qic24 > tape. I don't have the correct drive...... I don't have any tape drive > experience, actually. > > Does anybody have an unneeded Qic24 SCSI tape drive? I checked Ebay and > I didn't see anything that I thought was what I needed. Pretty much any drive that reads 60MB DC600A tapes should be able to read these tapes, assuming it has a controller supported by the install program. I remember using Wangtek and Archive non-SCSI drives & controllers. > This is going back into a very fuzzy memory...but does anyone know > if an Archive 2150S drive (QIC-150) will read QIC-24 tapes? Yup...a 2150S (or 2060S, I suppose) should read these tapes, as will other SCSI drives that read DC600As. As I recall, the Adaptec 154x controllers are supported by the install software, among others. Ken

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WTB SGI Indy

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

R. P. Bell said: > Anybody got any good suggestions on where to go to get a nice SGI Indy, just > for playing around -- preferably cheap? Want to tell us where you are or define "cheap"? I thought I saw one at the local university surplus outlet a coupla weeks ago; don't recall the price, but I didn't take it home. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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VMS 6.1 S/W Kit

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I just bought a VMS 6.1 media kit (I think): VMS 6.1 'Binaries and DOc disc' 'COnsolidated software distribution' (Jul 1994) 'Online documentation' (april 1994) SO, did I score, or did I blow $10? Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by jwbirdsa＠picarefy.com

Supposing one has a farm of older, relatively slower machines (Sun-2's, Sun-3's, early SPARCs, 386es, very small VAXen, 68k-based Macs, etc.) running various Unixes (mostly NetBSD), networked together and connected to the Net. What does one do with it? I've been trying to think of some interesting, moderately useful distributed-computing project that they could sit and crank away at and haven't come up with much of anything. All the distributed projects that I know of are distributed because even fast machines aren't enough by themselves -- a trailing-edge farm can't make a useful contribution. If network Tierra (an artificial-life research project) had ever come to pass, that would have been a superb application for these beasts. But it didn't. Ideas, anyone? Please? --James B.

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Seagate MFM drives available

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/31/01 12:11:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com writes: > I got a bunch of functioning seagate MFM drives available. ST-225,238 and 251 > > models as well as some big FH models. All survived a LLF too. Controller > cables also if you need them. Email if interested. > Where are they located?

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Even more SCSI drives available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I have 7 Conner CP1080E drives with a sun quick-release mounting bracket on them. No specs on these drives, so go Google for that. Because the unique connector, I cannot test these either.

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Warp 4 Redux

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/1/2002 8:55:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, wpointon(a)earthlink.net writes: > i never would have accused you of that -- i am a very patient person -- > i have to be with the lousy slow dialup internet access i am stuck > with -- if you are referring again to warp 4 server i would love to > download a copy but if you put it up for ftp you will have to leave it > up long enough for my max 20 meg/hour speed to get it all -- much > obliged for your consideration ---- billp > > On Tuesday, January 1, 2002, at 01:28 AM, Doc Shipley wrote: > > > Y'all thought I blew it off, didn't ya? > > Several of you asked about it, but I expect the best way to handle it > > is off-list. > > .... > > > > Doc > > > why not have some duplicate the CD and take it from there? ...

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I have access to high speed cd burner and could make duplicates the minute I get my hands on the cd... In a message dated 1/1/2002 5:02:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, wpointon(a)earthlink.net writes: << i will volunteer to copy them if no one else has any kind of whiz bang cd duplicator and can do it quicker -- or we could make this faster with a tree algorithm -- i will dupe some and send them on to some others who will dupe them again for more interested parties -- how many interested parties do we have? ----- thanx - billp On Tuesday, January 1, 2002, at 04:15 PM, SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/1/2002 8:55:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > wpointon(a)earthlink.net writes: > > > i never would have accused you of that -- i am a very patient person -- > i have to be with the lousy slow dialup internet access i am stuck > with -- if you are referring again to warp 4 server i would love to > download a copy but if you put it up for ftp you will have to leave it > up long enough for my max 20 meg/hour speed to get it all -- much > obliged for your consideration ---- billp > > On Tuesday, January 1, 2002, at 01:28 AM, Doc Shipley wrote: > > > ?Y'all thought I blew it off, didn't ya? > > ?Several of you asked about it, but I expect the best way to handle it > > is off-list. > > ?.... > > > > ????Doc > > > > > > why not have some duplicate the CD and take it from there? ... >> -- Kwanzaa is NOT a real holiday.

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Any AMIGA users?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Decided to pull out my amiga 500 and a PHOENIX hard drive that fits it. plugged it all in and the hard drive spins up, but the amiga still prompts for a system floppy. can a PC download and create an amiga system disk? i want to see what this computer is capable of. -- Kwanzaa is NOT a real holiday.

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Hep me!! scsi adapter DOS drivers (ot?)

by vze2mnvr＠verizon.net

Dick, That was a strange one. Now I understand the reference to it's being dangerous to even have in the car. Actually, I found many tape backup programs to be unsatisfactory, mostly because I was getting larger and larger tape drives faster than the backup software ( that I liked ) was supporting them. I like PC Tools for disk and file management. I haven't ever really liked any tape backup software, to the point that I hardly even like tape drives anymore, and would rather just backup a hard drive to another hard drive of equal capacity. Ian Richard Erlacher wrote: > > I gave a fellow a ride to the office once, because his wife needed his car, > since hers was in the shop. He had, in his briefcase, which he left in the > car, a copy of the then-current PC-Tools suite, that he'd bought that > morning at the computer store where I picked him up. At the moment we drove > into the lot, all the systems in the building went down and wouldn't run > again until I sent this fellow, together with my car, on an errand to fetch > some parts, after which the systems all came up and functioned nicely until > he returned, at which time the whole kit and caboodle crashed again. His > wife later picked up the copy of PC-Tools from him, and, when she left with > it, all the systems promptly came back to life and continued to operate > nominally. This was, BTW, before Windows9x. > > >From this, I conclude that it wasn't the car, it wasn't the briefcase, it > wasn't the guy, but it was that one item that apparently was the index. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Koller" <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>; "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com>; "Ben > Franchuk" <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: Hep me!! scsi adapter DOS drivers (ot?) > > > > > > > > But all I want to do is read a CD rom from $#@! DOS! > > > > But someone was having problems downloading these ASPI > > managers from Adaptec's site, so it's a second alternative > > source. Some might not have realized that if they have the > > PCTools program, they may already have these drivers, and > > just not have known it. > > > > > Why would anybody use PC-Tools-anything???? It's dangerous > > > even to have it the car, let alone bringing it inside ... > > > > Dick, I used that program for a long time. I never had any > > problems with it. I found it to be a useful suite of tools > > for disk and file management in the "DOS" days. > > > > > > Why not simply use what ADAPTEC provides? > > > > Those ASPI managers were provided by Adaptec. They were the > > "real deal". Licensed by Central Point Software to be included > > in the PC Tools package. > > > > > > > > > > Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Why not simply use what ADAPTEC provides? There's nothing else that > does > > > the job better, though there are MANY driver sets that do it worse, > notably > > > the stuff from IOMEGA. > > > > > > Dick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ian Koller" <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net> > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>; "Ben Franchuk" > <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>; > > > "Ron Hudson" <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 9:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: Hep me!! scsi adapter DOS drivers (ot?) > > > > > > > > It's been a while, so I may not be remembering correctly, > > > > but I think PC Tools had a series of Adaptec ASPI drivers > > > > with it, probably to support the backup program ( to SCSI > > > > tape drives ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben Franchuk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron Hudson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --probably off topic... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure of the age of the board but > > > > > > Adaptec seems to think it's not supportable > > > > > > any more... :^( > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody have DOS ASPI drivers for the > > > > > > ADAPTEC AHA-1542CF?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Tis an ISA scsi card with floppy attach > > > > > > and I have it in a 486 machine > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > > > The machine seems to be a 486dx in a "lunchbox" > > > > > > style case with color lcd. looks like a normal > > > > > > motherboard is inside.. > > > > > > > > > > > > goes by the name of PCIII, with no other markings > > > > > > as to MFG. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any one know anything about this? > > > > > > > > > > Don't look at me... I still have my 1542 in this PC here > > > > > and no drivers.I could use the 'dos' drivers to read a CDROM just in > > > > > case > > > > > 95 crashes and I need to reload windows. > > > > > -- > > > > > Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * > > > > > www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > >

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VMS 6.1 S/W Kit

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 1, jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com wrote: > I just bought a VMS 6.1 media kit (I think): > > VMS 6.1 'Binaries and DOc disc' > 'COnsolidated software distribution' (Jul 1994) > 'Online documentation' (april 1994) > > > SO, did I score, or did I blow $10? I'd say you scored...the CSD is very cool to have, even if 6.1 is a little old. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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VAXStation 16MB simms on ebay

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1315144257 I believe this is the part number that will fit the VAXStation 4000 m90, and maybe a few others. Still nearly two days to go. A few price points: Last I heard, dealers were buying at ~$1(US)/MB. My 1st 64MB kit was ~$68, and my second 64MB kit was ~$48. Bob

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Too much college? (was: Connectors (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 1, John Allain wrote: > > ...Marconi, become the "inventor of Radio" which we > > are now celebrating, despite the fact that Tesla won > > a court decision ... > > One book I have (I think it was written in the 1930's, when the > people who knew the history were Alive) suggested that Radio > was Discovered rather than invented. Some people were > working on well calibrated Telegraph equipment and noticed > that they could get signals from a loop that wasn't physically > connected to the recieving loop. This of course set of alot of > peoples' curiosity going and led to directed experimentation > and then the Science only much later. This is a very interesting piont...I think there's a pretty clear line between invention and discovering a phenomenon and then devising a way to control or take advantage of it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Warp 4 Redux

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Y'all thought I blew it off, didn't ya? Several of you asked about it, but I expect the best way to handle it is off-list. .... Doc

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Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>If WE use the wrong term >amongst ourselves, we'll certainly never show others that there's benefit in >calling it a crescent wrench when, to some folks, "the silver-colored >thingie," would do. But, given the arguments that have been going on, you shouldn't call it a Crescent wrench either. That is the name of the manufacturer of a particular kind of wrench, and although generally accepted as meaning an "adjustable wrench" is not any more technically correct than the "Centronics" connector's name. If you ask some mechanics for a crescent wrench, you might get locking pliers... ones that are commonly called a "Vise Grip", which is ALSO technically incorrect for the same reason Crescent is wrong. But then, for the question of the century... if you strictly adhere to calling an item by its name, and NOT by the commonly used term, which in many cases is the manufacturer's or common usage name... what should you call a Yo-Yo? (just seeing how many people know the answer to this one) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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