January 2002 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I have seen these before. We got Nuclear Data stuff from Hanford. It is used as a computer that ran process instrumentation in the Nuclear Power Plant/Research s. Usually they were 11/03s, sometimes upgraded to 11/23s, in a small Qbus cage. Often there are a lot of custom cards for the process instrumentation. What cards are in it, or did you mention and I just miss it. Things to look for are EPROM cards. Does it boot? What is the floppy drive hooked up to? Often there are custom display cards. Sometimes A/D & D/A cards. Did you check to see if it glows in the dark? :-) Any idea where it originally came from? Paxton Astoria, OR

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Packrat genome project questions

by blacklord＠telstra.com

> > How many people on this list still have their 1st computer? > second? third? > > every computer you ever used/owned? Let's see .... my original 8k PET 2001 from 1978 that my parents bought for me, my father's Exidy Sorceror that he bought in 1979, my VIC20 from 1980, my C64 from '82 then every machine I've bought or built since.... currently occupying three rooms & still growing :-) cheers, Lance (Oh yeah, the PET is still used on a nearly daily basis.....) ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA (fwd)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 31, 18:07, Julius Sridhar wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Doc wrote: > > > > Will there be anybody able to tape it and then convert it to an AVI file > > > or mpg > > > for download? > > > > Pretty please, NO avi. I'd hate to have to install Windows. > > I view AVI's on UNIX all the time. Maybe, but which codec? I can only view about the half the ones I come across. Some codecs only exist for Windows. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Yep, I have and many did. It was there to provide the migration path for those people that had outgrown PDP-11/70s but also needed the platform to put up new code on. Early VMS would run RSX-11 apps directly and could also support RT-11 and RSTS. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Gunther Schadow <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not? >I hear mixed messages about that. Is there someone who knows, >and not only if any, but also which version of UNIX would run? >I want to give it a shot. > >Also, has anybody ever run a VAX11 in PDP mode for real? Sound >pretty wild to me to spend so much money only to not use the >virtual memory. > >cheers, >-Gunther > >-- >Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org >Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care >Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine >tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org > >

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Actually VMS was ok but VMS as everyone knows is also chock full of utilities and tools... many of which would remain as base PDP11 code (coded as RSX-11 compatable) for a while. I think V2.mumble . Some would be recoded as VAX native and live another version. Allison -----Original Message----- From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not? >> The only use of the vax11's pdp11 compatibility mode that I've ever >> heard of was to run RSX-11 binaries under VMS. > >I think VMS 1.0 used it because it was not really ready to ship (what a >suprise). The RCS VAXgeek said that some old PDP-11 code was >kludged in with a big hammer (and the compatibilty mode) to get the early >VMS to work. The kludges were dropped shortly afterwards. > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org

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so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Yes, I used to ru RT-11 on a 11/780 so I could have a few of my favorte apps that werent on the VAX. That was a long time ago. Allison -----Original Message----- From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: so, can you run UNIX on a PDP11/03 or not? >> has anybody ever run a VAX11 in PDP mode for real? > >I did, but not seriously. >On an 11/780 for one, you could say "MCR PDP" IIRC >and do some basic operations. I think it was intended >to help people do porting without having to have the >other machine present. > >John A. > > >

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Nuclear Data 66?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Andreas Freiherr <Andreas.Freiherr(a)Vishay.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Nuclear Data 66? > Strangely enough... it's the VT103! Had optional dual drive TU58 mounted > under monitor (got one, gotta replace the rollers with tygon tubing). I think I also saw one a _couple_ of years ago that had dual floppy drives on top of the VT1xx box. Is it possible that there was something like a VT180? Or was it the "Robin"? - Too long ago. "Dave ... my mind is going ... I can feel it ..." If it had two TU58 then it was a PDP-11 cousin called the PDT11/130. FYI if it is the driver for RT11 is PD as the tape and serial ports are handled very differently than the generic -11 I/O. Same for the PDT11/150 that had two RX01 drives. Allison

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Docs for Sonic IIci/SE30 Ethernet?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> The ethernet card *is* the right-angle adapter. I swear. There's no >logic on the daughtercard. > Crud, I may have to jerk it out & take a picture. > And I never heard of The Diskless Mac, but it sounds cool. Interesting. I haven't seen one of those, I've always seen them as a "IIsi & SE/30" ethernet card, and then a seperate IIsi adaptor card (with or without an FPU). I just pulled out my files of The Diskless Mac. It is by Sonic. I originally found the stuff just sitting on their FTP site (so naturally I downloaded it). I've never used it, but from what I can tell of it works with Sonic ethernet cards, and a BootP server (they even include a mini unix BootP server), and lets you use create a "Boot Image" that gets stored on the ethernet card. So they have a sort of Boot RAM instead of a Boot ROM. Their readme does make a mention of NOT installing the "secure boot extension" without having the TDM 2.0 Boot ROMs installed. So either the roms are flashable, or maybe can be pulled and replaced, or possibly are an optional part entirely (meaning that socket might very well be for the boot rom, and not an FPU). I tried running the TDM admin on this machine (PM 6500 with stock Apple 10b-T card), and it didn't recognize it as a valid machine to admin. It would be interesting to see if it would recognize your card, since you have a sonic card. (maybe once I get my PB 1400 running again, I will try it on my Sonic PCMCIA ethernet card) You can still download the software from their FTP site (I just checked). Go to ftp.sonicsys.com/pub/software/Unsupported/The_Diskless_Mac. They also have the latest version of their Ethernet drivers there (v7.8), so maybe that has a newer version of a diagnostic tool to see if your card is still good. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Docs for Sonic IIci/SE30 Ethernet?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> I'm not willing to go for the "hosed" option yet. And no, of course >> there's no part number anywhere. It has a right-angle PDS pass-through, >> what looks like an empty FPU socket, and AUI & BNC connectors. > >How many pins is the empty socket? It might be for a boot rom, but if it's >a 40 pin dip, it could have been where the card's cpu went. What kind of >large chips are on the board? The empty "fpu looking" socket might very well have been for an FPU. most of the IIsi PDS right angle adaptors (commonly found with IIsi ethernet cards), had an FPU option, since the IIsi didn't have one natively. The adaptors were all the same, it was just a matter of if the vendor filled the socket. But that would only be the case if this empty socket is on the right angle adaptor, and not on the ethernet card itself. If it is on the enet card, then yeah, it might be a boot rom... but did the early mac's support boot roms? I don't think they did. I base this on the "oh wow" factor of the Netboot that arrived with OS 9/Original OS X Server, and on the old "TDM - The Diskless Mac" setup by Sonic(?). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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VT131 needs keyboard help

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 31, 13:14, Tothwolf wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > How about using something like a (photograph) slide scanner type > > setup? I would say just try it. > Well, the problem is that a scanner does not have enough resolution to > scan the reduced microfiche images. The only way to get a good print is to > optically enlarge them (which is part of the printing process), then scan > the enlarged version. I don't think David meant the sort of backlight arrangement you use to scan slides on a normal desktop scanner, I think he meant a proper 35mm slide scanner. Now a 35mm slide is roughly 2-3 times the size of a microfiche page (in both dimensions) but I think it might be worth a try if you could actually get the fiche into it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Packrat genome project questions

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> Did you ever play Castle Wolfenstein on the 286? ;) I played Castle Smurfenstein on my II+ (as well as Wolfenstein, and Beyond Wolfenstein... but Smurfenstein was by far the best... for no other reason then you get to shoot Smurfs) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Packrat genome project questions

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>How many people on this list still have their 1st computer? second? third? >every computer you ever used/owned? 1st Used: Dec-10, via modem from home (dad brought home terminal) 1st Owned: Hmmm, Dad brought home a TRS-80. He never used it. I did. It's gone. dunno if that counts. First one that *I* owned (after the TI-59, still have) was a Mac 512k. I still have the original lower case, picture tube, and keyboard. The rest, including upper case, motherboard, floppy, power supply, etc. was swapped in upgrades. Still in use for games, on rare occasions. Now it's a Mac Plus, after all the upgrades. Second owned: Rainbow 100A, $25 surplus at Stanford. Still have it. Not in use, except rarely, but several projects planned on it. Third owned: NeXT 040 Cube, $850 from Whitelight systems, it's on my desk at work, I use it all the time. Prices, where given, do not include the (substantial) cost of upgrades, software, etc. Other used, not owned: CDC 7?00 and PDP-11/44 (?) at University of Texas, Balcones Computer Co. CP/M machine same place, NeXT Computer (030) at Stanford (*tried* to get that one, but no go), Many PC's etc. in labs. Big computers (forgot what kind - maybe IBM and Cyber?) at GSFC Owned and sold/gave away: 2 of 4 AT&T Unix PC's in a haul from California. Still have 2. Now my wife can't say I never gave anything away. Misplaced printer for the TI-59 :-(. Packrat genes definitely present.

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HP7475 driver needed

by Bergho04＠bct.hva.nl

Hi there, I have a plotter witch should work with the HP7475 configuration, the only problem is I can't find a driver for it. All help with finding it will be gratefully accepted. Thanks in advance Laurence Berghouwer Internal affairs A.S.V. Archimedes

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Packrat genome project questions

by ceby2＠csc.com

Bryan -- And thusly Jeffrey S. Sharp spake: > > printer. It came with DOS 3.3. Later, it was upgraded with a 286 > motherboard, more memory, a sound card, a 1200 baud modem, and a handheld Did you ever play Castle Wolfenstein on the 286? ;) Cheers, Bryan Does playing on an Atari 800XL count? There's a machine with 286 envy. Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting

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A Special Announcement From Dish Network and the Armor Security Corporation

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

Did this joker susbscribe to the list, spam it and then un-sub? On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Jonathan Willis wrote: > [blnk.gif] [blnk.gif] > > Click To Order > > the sender of this email may be stopped at no cost to you by sending a > Reply email with the words "Remove" written in the Subject line. Which in turn will verify that your address is indeed valid and your incoming spam rate will rise by at least 2 orders of magnitude after they sell your address to a few thousand more spammers. g.

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spam/avoidance of

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Also, how does one enforce a no-call list internationally? A lot of the spam I get on Hotmail comes from non-US sources. BTW, I started getting spam on Hotmail _before_ I had sent out any email -- just signed up for it and the spam started coming the next day. And their filtering works for only 80%-90% of the spam, as about 10% gets delivered to my inbox. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Robert Schaefer [mailto:rschaefe@gcfn.org] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:09 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: spam/avoidance of ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Hildebrand" <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 05:07 AM Subject: Re: spam/avoidance of > > I remember when Dalnet blacklisted AOL users for several months. Really > put the dampers on my IRC activities, as one of my better friends was an > AOL subscriber. > > What really is needed is stronger rules on unsolicited e-mails. Maybe > something like a no-send list, like we have here in Missouri for > telemarketers. Ohhh, not such a good idea. A no-call list works with telemarketers because ma bell _knows_ who's making the calls, and the 3733+3 phreaks who have the skill to skip that little annoyance aren't the same as the ones who spam. Spam mostly comes from computers with open relays-- the phone equivalent would be telemarketers calling from phones people left sitting in the windowsill or on the front porch when they're outta town. Spammers would see the no-call list as the Holy Grail of verified email lists. > > Gary Hildebrand Bob

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VT131 needs keyboard help

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Tothwolf > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Andreas Freiherr wrote: > > > Yesterday evening, I dug out the microfiches, and, indeed, there is a > > "VT100 Technical Manual", part no. EP-VT100-TM-001, dated "Sep 1980". > > If anything out of these two fiches can help you, we'll need to find a > > way of scanning them. Reduction ratio is 42:1. > > It's not possible to scan fiche directly (or so I've been told/shown). You > first have to use a fiche printer (not cheap), then scan the paper copy. I > may end up buying a fiche printer later this year if things work out. I > had planned to buy one by mid this year, but looks like I won't be able > to. > > -Toth > How about using something like a (photograph) slide scanner type setup? I would say just try it. Maybe you would have to do a quick tweak in PhotoShop, but that would probably be easier than printing first. Unless, of course, you (or someone else) want the paper copy too. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > Sent: 29 January 2002 01:06 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W! > > I've got one of these plotters in the original Styrofoam > packing stored > away somewhere. The outer box was gone when I got it, as was its power > supply. Speaking of which, anyone have an extra wall wart (or > brick?) for > one of these that they'd be willing to part with? I'm breaking a 1520 for spares since I've got a MIB one in the museum and this other one has tatty polys and isn't in the best condition. I'll check, but it'll be the 240V version..... probably no use at all :) a

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New line of VAX 6000s!

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>Paraphrasing slightly from Matthew Skala on alt.folklore.computers: CBLTH... Thanks, Pete, that made my whole day! Say, on another thread, has anybody noticed what a great match teergrube software might be for classic hardware? Who was it that was looking for productive employment for a classic-computing CPU farm a while back? - Mark

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Nuclear Data 66?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 31, Andreas Freiherr wrote: > I think I also saw one a _couple_ of years ago that had dual floppy > drives on top of the VT1xx box. Is it possible that there was something > like a VT180? Or was it the "Robin"? - Too long ago. "Dave ... my mind > is going ... I can feel it ..." It was probably a VT180, also known as a Robin. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Computer Museum of America on Tuesday night's PBS NOVA (fwd)

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/31/02 2:30:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, quapla(a)xs4all.nl writes: > Will there be anybody able to tape it and then convert it to an AVI file > or mpg > Now *THAT* would be great! -Linc. In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][)

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I soon I got my Altair 8800 working in 1975, I bought a Processor Technology VDM-1 card. (Video Display Module) We converted a black and white portable TV to be the monitor. I believe that the VDM-1 provided the prototype for PC character graphics and extended-ascii "special" characters. I noticed that the Commodare 64, which came later, pretty much copied it, with a few additions. >From memory, I think it was only 64 columns wide (by 32 lines ? ) We modified our VDM-1 with a homemade light-pen attachment. (there is an article in Byte? how to do this). -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher [SMTP:edick@idcomm.com] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:38 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Video provisions on S-100 frames (was Re: 80 col Apple ][) I'd be really interested in knowing specifics about this, if you have them. I've got several S-100 boxes, and not a one has any accomodation for video signal from an internal source. I did, in the rar distant past, own a couple of systems, at least one of which was from Vector Graphics, that used an external moitor+keyboard combination resembling a terminal, which it wasn't, but most of the S-100 arrangements I've got, including a combination from SD Systems, which uses a video display/keyboard port board not only has no cable that came with it, but simply provides pads to which a video cable was to be soldered. Though I've got this hardware, I've never tried it out, as I've always been satisfied with a serial terminal. Additionally, I've actually never seen a 3rd-party S-100 box that made any provision for video signal to an external monitor at all. The ones I have are all Integrand boxes, so that's not a good example, being from only one maker, and the CompuPro boxes I've junked had no provision for video connectors either. I'd be interested in knowing about ----- Original Message ----- From: "M H Stein" <mhstein(a)canada.com> To: "'ClassicComputers'" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:57 AM Subject: 80 col Apple ][ > Any ideas from you Apple experts how I tell CP/M software > to use an 80 column card? Display is 40 col from motherboard, > all I get from 80 col card is a blinking cursor. > > No switches or id on 80 col card; it has 3 EPROM sockets, > but only ROM2 & ROM3 are present. No reason why ROM1 should > have been removed, so I'm hoping it was an option. > > Both video outputs and the built-in RF out all use RCA > connectors, BTW :) > > And in reply to the question about SO239 (AKA UHF or 83 Series) > connectors for video, the commercial (as opposed to homebrew) > video out adapter on my PET uses one; other than that, in my > experience the mass-produced systems used either RCA or > proprietary connectors, and S100 & similar multi-card chassis > used BNCs when they had internal video. > > mike > >

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Screwed again! Property dispo stuff...

by root＠diablonet.net

Hi everyone! I managed to make another trip out to the Univesity of Michigan Property Disposition warehouse. Here's what's up. * Continuing the REALLY annoying trend of people taking off with stuff before I can get to it, the ESV-3 was gone, which really sucks. I hope it went to a good home. * I did, however, pick up that Data General dual floppy disk drive. I made a mistake when originally posting to the list, however - the drive is a dual 5.25 inch unit, rather than an 8 inch unit. I'm not at all sure about the functional condition of the unit, and the model number of the drive is 6030. I paid $10 for it, and frankly, it's free to anyone who wants it. The only caveat is that you really have to pick it up from me, or arrange for someone else to do it in your stead. The thing weighs a ton, and I do not really have the time nor the inclination to lug it to a shipping outlet (I'm a student without a car, and I've forked enough money over to the taxi companies this month already). If the interested party is willing to wait a month or so, I can take it home over spring break and ship it out from there. Be forewarned that shipping will probably be somewhat expensive, though. * I also picked up an HP-IB looking cable with a Commodore logo on it. If I remember correctly, these were used to connect peripherals to some old Commodore systems (I don't really follow them). It looks like it is totally unused in original bag. If anyone wants it, let me know. I pretty much grabbed it with the express purpose of offering it to the list, as old micros aren't really my thing. It's free as well for the price of shipping, I guess. Kind regards, Sean -- Sean Caron http://www.diablonet.net scaron(a)engin.umich.edu root(a)diablonet.net

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Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!

by bpope＠wordstock.com

Okay, Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=132714756 And then just wonder.. Cheers, <with a stiff drink> BTW - the starting price was $299!

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AN/UYKs

by peteg＠trufitdata.com

my friend steve might know about these - he collects them, are they available ? thanks, pete

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Need an ICE (fwd)

by doug＠nut.net

[please contact the author, not me] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:18:33 -0500 From: Mark.Persich(a)walterkidde.com To: doug(a)blinkenlights.com Subject: Need an ICE Hello. We are looking for a ZAXTEK Model ICD-378 8088 Emulator to buy. Can you help or point me in the right direction? Thank You Mark Perisich

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HP 9000 800/G40 battery?/cable

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Ok guys, The only other person I've been able to contact regarding this HP console cable tells me that there are only 2 pins connected on his cable too, so I'm going to assume the cable -- since it works -- is correct. :) I can still post a "corrected" pin mapping, though. Anyway, on to the next problem. How does the battery backup system work? My understanding is that there's a battery in each PSU, and when you lose power, those batteries will maintain the RAM contents. The machine should then resume in-place when the power comes back. Is this right? Here is why I'm confused: The charging light came on when I first plugged the machine in. It went off a while later. So it seems to think the battery is charged. I tried to test this last night, by plugging the system into a surge bar with a disconnect switch. I booted the system, ran some programs, and cut the power. After about 20 seconds, I applied power again. At this point the machine will boot -- noticing, and warning me that there was a power failure -- and bring the system up in the normal "hey, you didn't unmount this disk properly" fashion. As far as I can tell, none of the processes I'd left running were there. There is a configurable variable in the kernel -- something to do with power failure -- I have tried this twice with the variable set to both 1 and 0. What am I missing? At this point I'd like to find out whether it's likely to be operator error before I go poking around for the batteries. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)

by ceby2＠csc.com

Folks -- > I'm working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please reply > off list with whatever persuasion is required to at > least allow me the use of them. I'd be very happy to > scan them all and make them available. While I am all for saving and scanning docs for older computers - I must say that this latest talk about scanning and making public relatively current IBM stuff is scary and dangerous. S/370(ish)s and S/36s are still out there, in suprising numbers. IBM has NOT given any permission for us to make the information public. Please, people, do not make this stuff public until IBM blesses it. They have been turning a blind eye in the classic computing world, but we would not want them to clamp down, would we? Lets wait a few years...anyway, S/36 and S/370 docs are fairly common. Now older IBMs - 650s, 1130s, and the like - are pretty much fair game, and I doubt IBM would really care. S/1s, S/3s, S/7s, S/88s, 8100s, and PC stuff, however, might cause problems. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org I won't speak for other systems, but IBM publishes nothing for the hardware or original software on System/36 or System/38. The only reference they make to it anymore is the emulated environment still available under OS/400. I have a few contacts at IBM, and I've been in contact with their publications people. I haven't broached the subject yet, but I believe IBM like other vendors embraces it's history and will at least tacitly support hobbyists. My own strategy with System/36 will be to create the electronic media, then offer it to them as a _fait acompli_. I'm intending to ask them to host the documents themselves. I don't believe they'll do so on their publication website -- but IBM maintains a substantial forrest of FTP servers it's used for 15 years or more to support it's sales partners and field representatives. That seems a likely place to put them. I'm guessing the real reason why these things aren't available is IBM didn't wish to invest the time in maintaining them. They also wanted to encourage migration. But hobbyist are a new and accomodating market. And I have a certain amount of faith we'll see encouragement from them. First things first though. I actually have to get a hold of the document set. Irregardless of web availability, I'm sure an email in the right (my) direction will yeild results, when there are results to yield :->~ nudge nudge, wink wink, knowwhaddamean?! Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting

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Nuclear Data 66?

by vcf＠vintage.org

Has anyone ever heard of Nuclear Data? I found this cool-assed computer today. It's an all-in-one unit (CRT/keyboard/diskdrive/CPU) and is fairly big (say, as big as an IBM Datamaster, bigger than a PET). The coolest part about it is that it seems to be LSI/11 compatible. At least it has a DEC bus (whatever the bus is called that had quad slot connectors). The card cage pulls out from the back and is situated behind the CRT. I couldn't find the processor card because there were too many cables jumbled around. It seems to have a couple firmware cards. I wasn't able to boot it up because I couldn't find the right kind of power cable (it uses one of those oval shaped power cables...I just saw one the other day and now can't remember where I put it). A Google search turns up nothing relevant. I would have snapped a digital photo but my camera is malfunctioning. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Unisys Laptop

by kenmo＠vvm.com

what sound driver works with the soundcard on the board and on the power source for the laptop its made by delta elctronics inc im sure u can find one from that company

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IRIS 4D wire is Not Actually White

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I goofed. The earth wire in the 4D is, indeed, green. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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80 col Apple ][

by fmc＠reanimators.org

M H Stein <mhstein(a)canada.com> wrote: > Any ideas from you Apple experts how I tell CP/M software > to use an 80 column card? Display is 40 col from motherboard, > all I get from 80 col card is a blinking cursor. If you're using a ][ or ][+, put the card in slot 3. There was a convention for what cards went in which slots: #1: printer interface #2: communications (modem/serial) interface #3: display interface Pascal and CP/M would probe the C[123]00H ROM spaces for these slots to determine if there was a capable card in the slot, and if so it would use the card for that function. The neat thing about this was that it meant you could stick either a parallel or serial interface in #1 depending on what kind of printer you had, or you could stick either a serial or 80-column card in #3 -- you would use the serial card if you wanted to use Pascal or CP/M with an external 80-column terminal. > No switches or id on 80 col card; it has 3 EPROM sockets, > but only ROM2 & ROM3 are present. No reason why ROM1 should > have been removed, so I'm hoping it was an option. Could be (IIRC Videx cards supported an optional character set ROM), or it could be the ROM that would appear at C300H with the card in slot 3. If it's the latter, CP/M won't see the card. -Frank McConnell

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getting OT: tar, NeXT, and Mac OS X [was: RE: PKZIP problem]

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Jeff Hellige > > > .pkg is probably specific to NeXT, as I haven't heard of it under > Unix. > > As the name might suggest, it is a 'package' containing the > program and all it's associated files, likely to include installation > scripts and anything else needed. That then generally creates an > .app file, which is actually a directory wich includes the files but > is seen by the NeXT as being a single executable file. > ... And now Mac OS X as well ( But Mac OS's >= 9 would see it as a folder only). Then again, Stevie did create NeXT, and now he's got Apple under his thumb... > > -spc (And on every Unix system I've used I've found tar ... ) > > Drop to the CLI on a NeXT and you'll find tar there as well. > -- > You know, I would like to eventually get myself a NeXT system, to see where (parts of) OS X came from. Before, I thought Windoze98 was better than MacOS (not by much, though). Now that I'm using Mac OS X as my workstation, I'm liking it much better. Sorry, I'll try to keep it On Topic. If anyone in the New Haven CT area does have a NeXT system available, let me know. BTW, I'm kinda poor right now... :-/ --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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VT131 needs keyboard help

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Another weekend project of mine has been working on a VT131 terminal. The terminal seems to work fine when receiving data. The terminal always powers up with a "4" in the corner (keyboard error?). Typing characters on the keyboard will give no response from either the terminal, or the system to which it's connected. The lights flash (all at once), and the speaker beeps when power is applied to the terminal. No lights are ever activated afterwards, though. Having taken apart the keyboard, it does have an empty socket for a DIP. Anyone know what this is? Is it possible that this is a "lookalike" keyboard? Did DEC make different models for different VT100 terminals -- were they compatible? If this is an authentic DEC keyboard, will it be marked as such somewhere? If so, how? The key layout _looks_ like VT100, but... The reason I'm asking about the brand is that there was another terminal at the junk yard, completely trashed, which looked like a VT100, but had a completely different branding. I forget the brand right off, but I'm afraid I may have picked up the keyboard for the dead terminal, and that it may not be compatible at all. Failing a way to positively identify the keyboard, are there any common modes of failure along these lines? Also, I'm guessing at this point that the terminal is in good shape. Does anyone know where to get a keyboard? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Small UNIX boxes

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Rick Bensene > > Quite off-topic, but probably of interest -- > > For small Unix machines, how about the wristwatch that runs Linux and > uses X11 for the display, developed at IBM? > > The original prototype used a small backlit LCD display, but the latest > version uses an Organic LED (OLED) display that is absolutely stunning! > > The machine runs with an ARM 7 CPU (Cirrus Logic EP7211), 8 Megs of > flash memory and 8 Megs of DRAM. The OLED display is 640x480. It has a > built-in Bluetooth transceiver, Lithium Polymer rechargeable battery, a > combination of touch screen and a jog dial for user interface, infra-red > interface. The watch 'program' is 'xclock'! > > There's a great article (with lots of pix) about the development in the > latest edition of IEEE's "Computer" journal (January 2002). > > Regards, > Rick Bensene > The Old Calculator Web Museum > http://www.geocities.com/oldcalculators > > > > Sounds pretty neat. Do you know of a link for this story, or was it on paper? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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80 col Apple ][

by mhstein＠canada.com

Any ideas from you Apple experts how I tell CP/M software to use an 80 column card? Display is 40 col from motherboard, all I get from 80 col card is a blinking cursor. No switches or id on 80 col card; it has 3 EPROM sockets, but only ROM2 & ROM3 are present. No reason why ROM1 should have been removed, so I'm hoping it was an option. Both video outputs and the built-in RF out all use RCA connectors, BTW :) And in reply to the question about SO239 (AKA UHF or 83 Series) connectors for video, the commercial (as opposed to homebrew) video out adapter on my PET uses one; other than that, in my experience the mass-produced systems used either RCA or proprietary connectors, and S100 & similar multi-card chassis used BNCs when they had internal video. mike

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Update: Ill MV3100

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> ---------- > From: Matt London > > Hi, > I've been playing... > > It turns out the box seems much happier if the only devices on SCSI-A > are the RX23 and the RZ23 - no CORRPTN messages so far with that setup. > But that means I can't fit both the 1G VMS drive and the 1G NetBSD drive > in the case :&/ > > Well, if it's anything like the VAXServer 3100, can't you plug into SCSI-B inside the case? Maybe a new cable, or some sort of tap into the existing cable? No, I've never actually _seen_ a MV3100, either the guts or the outside... :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 90581 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

A good model railroad hobby shop (or a major suppliers like www.walthers.com) will have mould making and resin casting kits. Some of the current casting resins should be strong enough to use as a gear. You can make an open mould, pour the resin, then put a glass plate over the open side to smooth the casting, or just sand it smooth when it has cured. Another thing to try would be to make a mould from dental plaster or Hydrocal (a harder-than normal plaster of paris, available at hobby shops), then heat it and open cast with a low melting point metal. What I would do here is make the mould double-deep, then file the resulting casting to the correct thickness. Bob -----Original Message----- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:07 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: 1520 plotter (was RE: Your VIC-20 is worth $300!!! W@W!) <snip> > > There seem to be several possibilites : > > > > 1) Make a mould and injection-mould them yourself. I think the David > > Gingery injection moulding machine could easily do it, but the mould > > would be very hard to make (cutting internal teeth on a mould that size) > > Might not produce a clean casting, either. I bet the originals were moulded rather than machined.... Maybe then cleaned up by machining, though, but I doubt it, actually. The original gears are not that good quality. <snip>

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S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

>While the offer to scan them was certainly noble, I really wouildn't expect >anyone to actually do it. We're talking about perhaps 10,000 pages of >documents here! I'm not offering but ... I use a sheet-feed scanner that can work its way through maybe 300 double-sided Legal pages in about two hours of casual top-up-the-in-tray-on-the-way-to-coffee usage. So that's 10 weeks max. Now if you had to do the pages manually with a desktop scanner, you'd want payment plus medical bills :-) Antonio

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Scanning Microfiche (was: VT131 needs keyboard help)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Andreas Freiherr wrote: >Even if you were using a true 1200dpi device, you would end up with less >than 30dpi after blowing up the image 1:42 back to it's original size. >Sure, that's not what we want. I've seen fiche scanners available commercially (I just did a google search when this came up a few months ago). All the ones I found seemed to be $10K+ ... >Some years ago, a friend of mine managed to get a couple of frames >printed off these fiches, but the results weren't too good: poor >contrast was the main problem. If you'd scan these prints, the results >would certainly be unreadable. Back in the early 1990s, I had access to a fiche printer - i.e. something that would print an A4 page of whatever the fiche reader was looking at. No automation (if you wanted the whole fiche as a set of pages you had to line it up yourself and hit a button for each page). That produced reasonable quality copy. If I still have any around I'll try to scan a sample page. I have no idea how much this thing cost but it was about the same volume as three or maybe four 21" monitors. Antonio

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It's alive... It's alive

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

> >Ok, your 9-track mag tape...thats a 7970E right? I have several 7978 drives with HPIB interfaces. I do not have a 7970 (yet). I am hoping the 7978 will be backwards compatible and work with the 1000/E without writing custom drivers, etc... I have not yet hooked up any HPIB devices to the 1000. Boy, I sure wish I had a 488 interface monitor... Hmmm... I think I know where there's one at :-) If anyone has any experience in making HPIB devices work with the HP 1000/E, I'd sure appreciave any pointers. >I'll email you some code off-list. If I email you ABS files, will your >browser mess with them?? I have not tried to download an ABS file via email yet. I had major problems downloading ABSs from Jeffs site using both Netscape and IE. For some reason, both those browsers could not handle the files. I thought this was rather strange because I have downloaded programs and other binary files without a problem. I was able to download clean binaries using the OPERA browser. If you have a small ABS file, send it and I'll see what happens. Meanwhile... I have been looking at the FST file format and it seems like it really isn't *that* difficult. I'm gonna spend a little time and see if I can decode (unarchive) some files into a more usable format. Looking over the file lists on the INTEREX site, there seems to be a bunch of really good stuff there if you can decode it. It's a real chicken and egg situation. If you already have RTE running with the FST archive utility, you can unarchive the files including RTE and FST. If you don't already have RTE with the FST utility, your stuck. I am supprized someone hasn't already written a cross platform decoder for this. Actually, they probably have... Hmm... Bet it's archived away somewhere in... FST FORMAT! Thanks again for the help, SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Ill MV3100

by classiccmp＠knm.yi.org

Hi, I fished out my MV3100 to install openVMS on it (after someone gave me another hard disk), so I boot it up, and get the following... KA41-D V1.0 F_..E...D...C...B KA41-D V1.0 F_..E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1... ? C 0080 0000.4001 ? B 0010 0010.0081 ?21 CORRPTN 83 BOOT SYS So I frowned at it, swapped the netbsd for a CD drive, unplugged RX23, swapped the RZ23 for an IBM scsi hard disk (DPES-31080), and fired up the openvms install - it rebooted halfway through the install process - I lost the message it spewed out, so I tried again - same thing in a different point. Tried again - success. BUT, if I have the IBM drive and CD drive in, I get F_..E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7?..6...5...4_..3_..2_..1... ? C 0080 0000.4001 ? B 0010 0010.0081 ?? 7 80A0 1000.61D0 ? 6 80A1 0000.4001 ?06 HLT INST PC = 00000200 ?21 CORRPTN So as you can imagine, I'm a little non-plussed :&/ I'm sure it *was* working fine 6 months ago, and it's been quite happy running netbsd, or the (slightly broken) VMS 5.4 install on the RZ23. Only thing I can think of is memory - any other ideas? I've got 16M in here. -- Matt --- Web Page: http://knm.org.uk/ http://pkl.net/~matt/

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S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

While the offer to scan them was certainly noble, I really wouildn't expect anyone to actually do it. We're talking about perhaps 10,000 pages of documents here! SteveRob >From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: S/36Doc (skating on thin ice) >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:02:51 -0500 (EST) > > > I'm working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please reply > > off list with whatever persuasion is required to at > > least allow me the use of them. I'd be very happy to > > scan them all and make them available. > >While I am all for saving and scanning docs for older computers - I must >say that this latest talk about scanning and making public relatively >current IBM stuff is scary and dangerous. S/370(ish)s and S/36s are still >out there, in suprising numbers. IBM has NOT given any permission for us >to make the information public. Please, people, do not make this stuff >public until IBM blesses it. They have been turning a blind eye in the >classic computing world, but we would not want them to clamp down, would >we? Lets wait a few years...anyway, S/36 and S/370 docs are fairly common. > >Now older IBMs - 650s, 1130s, and the like - are pretty much fair game, >and I doubt IBM would really care. S/1s, S/3s, S/7s, S/88s, 8100s, and PC >stuff, however, might cause problems. > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Docs for QBus cards wanted

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. I am currently working on a NetBSD driver for the RX01/02 floppy disk drive. (As an example for a device driver writing HOWTO.) To continue my kernel hacking when this is finished, I am looking for docs for the folowing cards: M7616 KXJ11-CA J11 CPU, 512-Kbyte RAM, 64-Kbyte PROM This is a PDP 11 on a QBus slave card, used as universal intelligent peripheral controller. (Wouldn't it be nice to have a PDP 11 co-processor runing some 2.xBSD in a VAX? ;-) ) M3118-YA CXA16-A 16-line Asynchronous Multiplexor Refs: EK-CAB16-TM, EK-CAB16-UG M3119-YA CXY08-A 8-Line Asynchronous Multiplexor Refs: EK-CXY08-TM -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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9 track tapes

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 30, Jay West wrote: > I used to have several cipher F880's. I'm 99% sure the ones I had would do > 1600 I know, 3200 also I think, and 800 with a NRZI option board I think. Ahh yes, I seem to remember something about 3200bpi on the F880 now that you mention it. I think several vendors implemented that format but I don't think it was ever standardized...or at least, not as widely implemented as 800, 1600, and 6250bpi. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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S/36Docs( as Re: S/370 docs (was: Re: IBM big iron.))

by out2sea00＠yahoo.com

Steve Subject: Re: S/370 docs (was: Re: IBM big iron.) > have a stack of /36 docs that I'd like to part with. Please, please, please ! I've been out here begging for just these docs (and disks if they can be had). I'm working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please reply off list with whatever persuasion is required to at least allow me the use of them. I'd be very happy to scan them all and make them available. Thanks, Colin Eby Senior Consulant CSC Consulting out2sea00(a)yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

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It's alive... It's alive

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

WhooHoo! After many days of tinkering and frustration, I finally have a HP1000/E running BASIC. Now if I can just get it to talk to a 9-track tape drive... Hmmm... Where did I leave that soldering iron ;-) Many thanks to Bob Shannon for his assistance. I couldn't have done it without his help. SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Sterling Cypher IV 8073 board info

by elund＠egr.uh.edu

Rich, I came across your newgroup message regarding the Sterling Cypher IV board. It was dated in October 2001. Anyway, I have come across one of these boards myself. I was wondering if you ever found the plans or instructions of any kind. If so, I would be happy to pay for a copy. Sincerely, Liz Lundgren

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PackRat Genome; spam thoughts

by jpl15＠panix.com

For the Genome files: My first computer was a borrowed Cromemco Z2H system, 16K RAM, two Shugart SA400 drives, GE Terminet 30 console. It was eventually returned to the owner when I moved, circa 1978. Second computer was a borrowed Kaypro II, from the rathole computer store I worked at for six months.. it was a defective warranty return, and I fixed it and then took it home for 'testing' Ran the usual suite of Kaypro-bundled stuff atthe time (1983). From the same place I put together (from various scrap machines) a Morrow MDII system; it remained with me until my Collection got sold ..snif...snifff... The first computer I actually paid real money for was (is) a Mac SE30, that I bought for my music studio, running Performer version 1.9. I paid $1988.50 for the system with the software in 1986 or 7... anyway the machine is still a part of the studio equipment, although it now runs vintage library and MIDI set-up programs for some of my vintage synths... it's on it's second hard drive, and was the first machine I ever had to be infected with a virus - the replacement HD came from CMS, and a disgruntled employee in the QC dept was squirting nVir onto random HDs as he tested them... it would grab the Mac speaker and say 'Don't Panic..." at odd intervals. This list doesn't really get much Spam, even though I hate the shit as much as anyone... I think the cure must be adjusted to fit the severity of the offense... we don't discipline jaywalkers with shotguns, and closing down the list and instituting Bushian draconisms is kind of dumb, IMHO. The ISP I subscribe to is pretty good about such stuff, and personal spam to my account tends to come in small waves - two or four a week for a bit and then none... I just hit the 'DEL' button, and Pine takes care of the rest. There are enough folks here who will spank the spammers, much more effectively than I can (or have the time for), so I'm content to let it be as-is. If the List were overwhelmed on a daily basis with the usual Usenet XXXPorn - Warez - MakeMOneyFast - MyDaughterHasCancerSendCashPlease shit, that would be cause for Action. Right now, I just Delete and move on. Cheerz Sanford Wallace (Surpised no-one mentioned CyberPromo yet..)

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PKZIP problem

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

OK all you brains out there. See if you can answer this one. How can I make PKZIP include ALL the files on a disk INCLUDING those in sub directories and the sub directories themselves. Easy, you say? Go try it. The help menu says that -r will make it recurse sub directories and that -p will make it save the directory names and -P will make it save the sub directory names even if they're empty. OR it says that you can use -&s[drive] to copy an entire drive. Well I've been trying to get either one to work for the last hour and I haven't had any luck. -$a: ties to create a .ZIP file by the name of -&sa: but that's illegal so it errors out. -rp, -rP, -Pr and -pr all do that same thing. It copies all the files including those in the subdirectories but when you use PKUNZIP all the files are placed in one directory therefore losing the directory structure and overwritng any files that have same names but that came from different subdirectories. I've tried this with MS DOS PKZIP verion 2.04g and with Winzip but I got the same results with both. Any ideas about what's wrong? Joe

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