> On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
>
> > I hope you don't mean the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX cards... they are
> > *way* too sensitive to noisy LANs... I've had to pull several and replace
> > them with either Intel Pro/100 adapters, or drop back to some old 3Com
> > 3c509 10Mbps combo cards... Of course, YMMV, etc...
>
> Actually, I am referring specifically to the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX
> Revision four and higher cards. The older ones are garbage.
The box of 20 I bought last December has not served us well...
even though I believe our LAN is the weak point, at least the
Intel and 3Com cards don't crash the PC from effects of the
noise...
Regards,
-dq
On August 26, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
> I was looking inside my ProLog M-900 and noticed a gold and
> ceramic chip labeled "INS4004D" socketed next to two i4002s.
> Does anyone know if National Semi second sourced the i4004?
> It also has the number "530" on the bottom which I suppose
> is a lot no.
>
> For those with GUI browsers, here is the best I could do
> with my camera:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~wmsmith/ProLog4004.jpg
Hmm, it sure looks like it!
-Dave
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At 01:43 PM 9/6/01 -0700, McManis, Charles wrote:
>So what I predict, is that in the near future (probably 1 to 2 but certainly less than 5 years) you will only see "computers" sold as either big-bad-ass servers, or small embeddedable controllers. The middle ground, the so called "Personal Computer" will cease to exist as a general purpose machine. And only the programmers will notice.
With prices dropping so low, computers have become more
disposable. But even with the $200 Celeron 566 you can
buy today, it still has drive bays and memory slots and
IDE and USB I/O interfaces.
A vast part of the computer market is the selling of add-ons
and replacement components. How cheap will computers need
to be before you'll throw one away because the CD drive
stopped working?
Does commoditization necessary mean they'll no longer be
expandable, and that they'll be expendable? (Driving to the
office tonight, a very beat-up and rusty car very nearly
matched the speed of my 2001 model.) Does it mean people
won't want to buy replacement parts or upgrade options?
What might this mean for classic computers? In fifteen years,
some of them may be unbootable, as the ASP-like web services
they depended on have disappeared like so many dog-food-selling
dot-com ephemera sites.
To stretch the auto analogy, even in the smallest towns there
are still auto parts stores and repair shops and at the next
level, all the junk yards and parts dealers who fill the
needs of the repair stores.
With the surging wave of enthusiastic game-players who rapidly
drove the pace of graphics card development far beyond what
the earlier CAD and computer graphics market ever demanded,
has emerged a new class of computer owners who eagerly
upgrade, tweak, customize and polish their systems beyond all reason.
Just like car enthusiasts. :-)
- John
In response to my comment of:
>No doubt the auto industry had a very similar time of it and today
>cars are largely identical except for things like body styling and
>number of cup holders. So what used to be special and unique, is now
>common and mundane.
At 04:19 PM 9/6/2001 -0400, Jeff Hellige wrote:
> My only problem with that analogy is that automobiles are
>fairly fixed as to what you can use them for, while computers on the
>other hand are bounded only by the imagination and talent of the
>programmers.
Except that over 95% of "end user" computers purchased today are _not_ bought by programmers. And what non-programmers do with computers _is_ fixed, and as many on this list have complained it gets harder and harder every year to find enough information to actually program these things at a level deeper than Visual Basic script.
So what I predict, is that in the near future (probably 1 to 2 but certainly less than 5 years) you will only see "computers" sold as either big-bad-ass servers, or small embeddedable controllers. The middle ground, the so called "Personal Computer" will cease to exist as a general purpose machine. And only the programmers will notice.
--Chuck
> From: John Honniball <John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk>
> > > > I am not sure that ancient analogue tape recorders
> > > > are on-topic :-)
> > While it is possible to use such machines to store programs from most
> > home computers, I don't think many people did.
>
> I did! I hooked up my Akai 4000DS reel-to-reel
> (transistor, not valve) to my Compukit UK101.
DS? I have a 4000D right here which I use to convert old tapes to CD-ROM
media. What's the difference between D and DS???
BTW the ZX81/TS1000 is extremely picky about tape recorders, and I have
never gotten one to work with a reel-to-reel deck. Any ideas why?
> Didn't one of the Elektor machines use 45s for software
> distribution? Wasn't there once a music CD with software
> on one track (for a Spectrum?)?
Actually it was a 45-rpm disk. The program was on one side and music was
on the other. The idea was to load the program into the Spectrum, then
flip the record and run the program and play the music at the same time.
There was some sort of way to sync the program to the music (or vice versa)
for a "multimedia experience."
Glen
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> From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
> As has been shown over and over, the masses put up with a lot
> of things that an individual would otherwise turn away from and
> refuse. It's kind of interesting to note that at this point, PC
> brand names mean very little and there's little to no brand loyalty.
> Makes sense since there is little difference from one to the other.
Unfortunately people new to PCs often regard name-brands highly when
shopping for their first computer, and they will often turn up their snouts
when they see my (very nice looking) white-box clones. I have also had
people tell me they didn't believe small shops actually built systems, but
that we bought them from some Asian factory (too "complex" to be produced
outside of an assembly line).
Glen
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Hi folks,
I'm sure I read here that it was possible to boot a GS over an Appletalk
network; I've got a choice now - the ][GS 5 1/4" floppy drive I won in
January has finally turned up so I can either try and get GS/OS onto 5 1/4"
disks or I can boot GS/OS images from another Mac or something.....I'm
itching to get it running for the museum so any hints are appreciated....
cheers!
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P500
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! -----Original Message-----
! From: Rich Beaudry [mailto:r_beaudry@hotmail.com]
! Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:10 PM
! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
! Subject: Update on IIgs Computers
!
!
! To all who responded to my inquiry on IIgs computers,
!
! My apologies for the delay on this. I was delayed in getting
! the stuff, and
! put the last in my loft at 11:00pm last night!
!
! The quantity was certainly smaller than I was led to
! believe... One school
! had already dumped some stuff...
!
! Totals are as follows:
!
! IIgs CPUs: 25
! 3.5" floppies: 20+
! 5.25" floppies: 20+
! IIgs keyboards/cables: 20+
! IIgs Monitors: 12 (there are more left ... see below...)
! Imagewriter II w/ cable: 5
! Macintosh LCII w/ monitor/keyboard/mouse: 2
! IIgs mice: ???? (I didn't get an exact count, and I'm afraid
! I will be short
! quite a few)
! IIc CPUs w/ power supply: 2
!
! The only things left at the school are monitors. I have them
! on hold, so
! they won't be dumped, but there are at least 12 more IIgs
! monitors, and 2
! IIc color composite monitors. I didn't know how many people
! were interested
! in the monitors, however, because of shipping costs.
!
! I will begin testing, but I don't expect to get done before
! the end of the
! weekend (I do have a life! :-P). I will let you know further
! what exactly
! is in each IIgs, any cards, ROM versions, etc. at that time.
! I will also
! have exact counts on how many "complete" systems I can build.
!
! There was one near-mint Woz w/ a memory card, but I'm keeping
! that one :-)
!
! Since I am keeping a IIgs, and also one of the LC IIs (there
! were three, but
! I deducted my keeper from the list above), I am looking for a
! set of working
! IIgs System Software (6.0.1, I think? Or maybe 6.1??)
! diskettes, and a set
! of working MacOS System 7.5 diskettes. We can work a deal if
! you would
! like, and the diskettes do NOT have to be originals (no legal
! issues, as
! Apple has these for download.... I'm not an Apple expert,
! however, so I'd
! rather get already-working disk sets...)
!
! Unless you have diskettes for me, please do NOT reply to this
! message. I
! will post again when I have completed testing all of the
! hardware. At that
! time, I will ask for who is interested in what, and where we go from
! there....
!
! Also, apologies for mentioning the LC II ... OT until next
! year, I think :-)
!
! Thanks!
!
! Rich B.
!
Jeff Hellige originally wrote:
> As has been shown over and over, the masses put up with a lot
> of things that an individual would otherwise turn away from and
> refuse. It's kind of interesting to note that at this point, PC
> brand names mean very little and there's little to no brand loyalty.
> Makes sense since there is little difference from one to the other.
This is why collecting classic computers and preserving them is so important.
Interestingly, people who were different in the early PC days were punished severely from not being "100% PC Compatible" Many on this list remember the famous question, "But does is run MS Flight Simulator?" Which was one of the standard compatibility tests.
As for brand names, I think they will come more and more to mean _everything_. After all it has happened with cars it will happen with computers. 21st century personal computers are rapidly converging on a relatively fixed function, internet access unit with data composition and retrieval capabilities.
No doubt the auto industry had a very similar time of it and today cars are largely identical except for things like body styling and number of cup holders. So what used to be special and unique, is now common and mundane.
--Chuck
To all who responded to my inquiry on IIgs computers,
My apologies for the delay on this. I was delayed in getting the stuff, and
put the last in my loft at 11:00pm last night!
The quantity was certainly smaller than I was led to believe... One school
had already dumped some stuff...
Totals are as follows:
IIgs CPUs: 25
3.5" floppies: 20+
5.25" floppies: 20+
IIgs keyboards/cables: 20+
IIgs Monitors: 12 (there are more left ... see below...)
Imagewriter II w/ cable: 5
Macintosh LCII w/ monitor/keyboard/mouse: 2
IIgs mice: ???? (I didn't get an exact count, and I'm afraid I will be short
quite a few)
IIc CPUs w/ power supply: 2
The only things left at the school are monitors. I have them on hold, so
they won't be dumped, but there are at least 12 more IIgs monitors, and 2
IIc color composite monitors. I didn't know how many people were interested
in the monitors, however, because of shipping costs.
I will begin testing, but I don't expect to get done before the end of the
weekend (I do have a life! :-P). I will let you know further what exactly
is in each IIgs, any cards, ROM versions, etc. at that time. I will also
have exact counts on how many "complete" systems I can build.
There was one near-mint Woz w/ a memory card, but I'm keeping that one :-)
Since I am keeping a IIgs, and also one of the LC IIs (there were three, but
I deducted my keeper from the list above), I am looking for a set of working
IIgs System Software (6.0.1, I think? Or maybe 6.1??) diskettes, and a set
of working MacOS System 7.5 diskettes. We can work a deal if you would
like, and the diskettes do NOT have to be originals (no legal issues, as
Apple has these for download.... I'm not an Apple expert, however, so I'd
rather get already-working disk sets...)
Unless you have diskettes for me, please do NOT reply to this message. I
will post again when I have completed testing all of the hardware. At that
time, I will ask for who is interested in what, and where we go from
there....
Also, apologies for mentioning the LC II ... OT until next year, I think :-)
Thanks!
Rich B.
