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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #714

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #714 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

23 years, 3 months

scosug-talk: funny thread from other list

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ! rm -rf /bin/laden = force the recursive removal of bin laden. > ! This would include himself, as well as all of his subordinates There is actually already in production a line of t-shirts, sweatshirts, and a coffee mug with this on it. > ! chmod a+x /bin/laden = allow anyone the permission to execute > ! bin laden heh... hadn't seen this one. -dq

23 years, 3 months

Sync on Green Monitors and Others

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 17, 10:05, Dan Wright wrote: > Info from LSI said: > > > > my multisync Sony's have worked with just about every type system > > I have ever tried them on except my SGI Indy's, and that might be > > because the SGI's 13W3 pin-out might not be compatible with the > > 13W3 to HD15 adapter I use with the Sun's? It's been very > > That's correct, the SGIs actually so SOG over the 13W3 connector. I don't > know what the pinout is, but I DO know that the 13W3 to HD15 adapters sold for > Suns don't work with the SGIs. Some SGIs do put out a separate sync signal; some Suns do as well. However, SGIs tend to provide separate hsync and vsync while Suns mostly do composite sync. Moreover, they use different pins for the sync and monitor type sense. I'm sure I posted the two pinouts to the list a while ago. But I've found almost all my multisync Sonys work with mu Indys and Indigos, providing I have the relevant 13W3-3xBNC or whatever cable. I think the only exception I've found was a Sun-badged Sony that wanted composite sync. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 3 months

Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bob Brown <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us> wrote: > What happened regarding the desktop hp3000 that was being discussed? "desk-sized", not "desktop". It looks sort of like one and takes up about that much floor space, which is handy to know when one is figuring out how to lay out one's computer room. Speaking from personal experience, you may have to un-bolt the top (the woodgrain bit) to get a /44, /48, or /58 to fit around corners and through doors. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 3 months

FW: scosug-talk: funny thread from other list

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! Subject: Re: unix ! From: "Brad Brown" <brad.brown(a)openwave.com> ! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:48:55 -0700 ! X-Message-Number: 10 ! ! rm -rf /bin/laden = force the recursive removal of bin laden. ! This would include himself, as well as all of his subordinates ! ! chmod a+x /bin/laden = allow anyone the permission to execute ! bin laden --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 3 months

Some new stuff. What is it?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >Modified Modular Jack. It's DEC connector, a bit like a ! >telephone plug ! >with the locking clip offset from the middle... ! ! Can someone get me a pinout of that? I suppose it shouldn't be too ! hard to change out for a normal jack. Pins: 1 - DSR 2 - RX+ 3 - RX- 4 - TX- 5 - TX+ 6 - DTR As seen here... http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#WIRES1 --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 3 months

IBM PowerStation 530

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Roger Merchberger replied to Blair Miller... >>now, so I've never seen the monitor hook-up either... it's mini-coax and >>looks like the diagram below: >> >>(o)(o)(o) >> >>I'm assuming that's RGB... > >Yep... As the ascii graphic (while pretty) is not completely informative, >if it's three mini-coax in IIRC a DB shell, it could be the same cable as >is used on some DEC machines, notably some of the older RISC boxen & the >DEC 3000/300 (which I have)... A cable meeting a similar description (dunno if it's identical?) to go from my VAX 4000 VLC to its VRC-16HA monitor carries the label: BC29G-09. When I google-searched for it, I found it available for prices ranging from around $15 to around $120 (!) on the net. This was several months ago. - Mark

23 years, 3 months

Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Recall that Jonathan Engdahl recently announced his development of MSCP device drivers for 2.9 BSD. That work was made possible by the availability of a reliable simulation environment. For this reason alone, simulators are indispensible to the real-hardware camp, as tools for supporting the maintenance and development of operating systems. Furthermore, I think simulators can play a big role in encouraging the long-term collection, retention and dissemination of legacy software to run on either real or emulated hardware. Norm Aleks and I just acquired an IBM 1130, and as far as I can see, there is NO software archived out there anywhere. It's very discouraging. You can bet that we're going to post whatever we can get our hands on, along with the simh-based simulator I'm 75% done with, to hopefully reawaken interest in the 1130. That's my .4 bits worth. Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel / Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

23 years, 3 months

Sync on Green Monitors and Others

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hello Blair, It seems from your description of your video connector that it may in fact be the 3W3 video connector as used on some DEC systems. One list member indicated ... > to 3 BNCs to hook up to a decent monitor that does sync on green If you try to use a fixed frequency monitor, you must use one that is a sync on green model monitor and that syncs at the correct horizontal and vertical frequencies. If you can determine which model monitor originally went to that system, you might be able to research a DEC or HP model that syncs at the same frequencies at ... http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/dec/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/hp/ > Find yerself a DEChead or two, and they may have a cable to fit... While I don't have any spares myself, I recently bought a cable >from Barry's Supply. He has one currently available at ... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275561813 > some older multisync Mac monitors with the 3-BNC input might work ^^^^^^^^^....... NOT .......... ^^^^^ Sony made monitors for DEC, HP, IBM, SGI, Sun, RasterOps, Radius, and possibly others. If a monitor has only 3-BNC inputs, it is most probably a sync on green fixed frequency model. If it has 4-BNC inputs, it is most probably a composite sync model ( the only exception I know of to that is a NEC model which also has a HD15 connector in addition to the 4-BNC's ). Any other monitor I have ever seen, other than those NEC models, that is a multisync had 5-BNC inputs. Note however that some 5-BNC input models are fixed frequency ( GDM-1950 and GDM-1952 come to mind ). Generally I have found that the Sony models that have 5-BNC inputs and rotary controls are the fixed frequency type. The models that have 5-BNC inputs and have push button controls ( digital ) have been multisyncs ( GDM-1971 and 2075RO come to mind ). http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/sony/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/radius/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/radius/0322precisioncolor20.html http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/rasterops/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/rasterops/2075ro20colorgraphicsdisplay… Those monitors that are considered multisyncs should be able to sync up on a horizontal scan frequency as low as, or slightly lower than, DOS's 31.5 kHz. The really nice thing about the 5-BNC Sony models, both fixed frequency and multisyncs, is that they auto-sense, and auto-switch sync types. So even though the monitor has 5 BNC inputs, you can still hook up to just 3 of them if your graphics outputs a sync on green signal, or 4 of them if your graphics outputs a composite ( H and V on the same line, but a separate line than R, G, or B ) sync signal. And of course if your graphics outputs a separate sync signal ( H, V, R, G, and B all on separate lines ) you would connect to all 5-BNC inputs. I use my Sony multisyncs to hook up to and test my DEC Alpha's (SOG), VAXstation 4000/60's (SOG), HP PA-RISC (SOG), Sun's (CS), Macintosh's (CS), and of course, PC's (SS). In fact, my multisync Sony's have worked with just about every type system I have ever tried them on except my SGI Indy's, and that might be because the SGI's 13W3 pin-out might not be compatible with the 13W3 to HD15 adapter I use with the Sun's? It's been very convenient, space wise, to use one monitor to test all those type systems, rather than have to store a different monitor for each one. Bennett Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:40:00 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 Emanual - Hrm... I guess if I'd have known from the beginning that the computer would be a '7013 model 530' I'd have been a lot better off. I didn't find the exact manual, but rather one for the '500' series, and though it was published in 1996 (this computer is from 1990 or so) most of the physical stuff still seems to apply. Thanks for the heads up... - Blair > Try www.ibm.com ;-) > Anyway, check the real product number of this machine. Should be > something like "7013 model 530" (?) Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:45:29 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 > Yup, it's RGB, sync on green. You need to get a cable to break that out > to 3 BNCs to hook it up to a decent monitor that does sync on green... Unfortunately, the monitor that may have been hooked up to the machine was nowhere to be found... and this being my first classic computer, I don't have such a thing lying around either. :o( I read something about hooking a serial terminal up to the machine directly... Forgive me for dumb questions, but I'm assuming a serial terminal is one of those boxes that I keep seeing that has hookups for mice, keyboards, SVGA monitors, and the like? Also called a 'Terminal Station' I believe... Will this work? I don't even know if I'm asking the right question here, and I could be horribly, stupidly, wrong. :o) This thing comes from 'way back in the day' for me, before I was even interested in computers, so I don't know a whole heck of a lot right now. More research I guess... Thanks again. Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:49:01 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 > Without looking at your email address, it took me a moment to figure out > where you were... I'm up in Sault Ste. Marie, MI right on the Canadian I've been there once or twice... I believe I also have relatives living there, though that could just be my imagination. > Find yerself a DEChead or two, and they may have a cable to fit... and some > older multisync Mac monitors with the 3-BNC input might work with it as > well... Where would I find something like this... I've no problems driving around Michigan (I think of driving as a way to calm down, and I end up doing it a lot, especially when dealing with foreign territory in the world of computers) to get my hands on one, but I'm not sure where to look. I suppose another trip to property disposition is in order. :o) Thanks for the tips. Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:50:36 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 > If you decide not to keep the 530 let me know Will do. You close to Ann Arbor? Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:53:16 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 > You should be able to get it to use a serial console. Having the key to > get it into service mode is extra helpful. Fortunately, I've got the key. Unfortunately, I'm a newbie to ALL of this, and I'm not sure what a serial console is... can you elaborate? > Making sure the RAM hasn't been removed is important. The amount would > matter if you were going to try to move to recent versions of AIX. I doubt it has. It was just sitting there, and it doesn't appear that anyone has opened it in a LONG LONG time. As for AIX, I'll figure that out when I can actually use the system. I also read something very brief that this machine would run LinuxPPC or YellowDog (forget which). Any idea if that's true? Thanks for your help. Blair

23 years, 3 months

Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I asked this, just in case there was a problem somewhere. Every other mailing list I'm on does not have a delay this bad. I'm not worried about a delay, but with it being 1.5 hours, it seems like there's a problem somewhere. We're using Exchange here at work, so that might be it. If anyone has any hints of stuff for me to check out here at this end, let me knwo, off-list... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:22 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: RE: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: ! >Rich --- ! > Actually, my time estimate was a little wrong. The messages take ! >about an hour and a half... ! ! [snip] ! ! I've not seen lags anywhere near that -- mebbe 5-10 minutes ! at most. My ! Eudora checks mail every 4 minutes, and it's usually 2 checks ! & it's there. ! ! Methinks it might be something on your end... Have you called ! your ISP? ! ! I'll time this one and see what I end up with... ! ! HTH, ! "Merch" ! -- ! Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers ! Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. ! ! If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead ! disarmament should *not* be your first career choice. !

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