September 2001 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I have a contact who needs to get rid of a VAX 11/750 and an >11/730 real soon and they are in Sommerset County, New Jersey. >A picker-upper would be preferred. There is also an HP 3000/48. >Let me know who wants them and can pick up. If there is contention, >I think one should try sharing, so let me know which one you >really really badly want if you have to choose. I am in NJ, and am always interested in playing with computers and computer parts. If no one else wants them, I would be happy to pick them up and play (um, are they free?). But I have to admit, I don't know what to do with either, so I would only take them if it was me or the dumpster. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Not really, Since the combination is keyed and limited to that sytem (or systems) it's intended for. they are also partially encrypted and that part has the "key". Allison -----Original Message----- From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VAX >> you should really dump the license PAK's and print them out! > >I don't get this. Isn't this like walking up to a combination lock >and saying "SHOW COMBINATION". Shouldn't be possible, >should it? > >John A. >

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Fujitsu drives (was Re: Service does still exist....)

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

Didn't Fujitsu just (within the last week) exit the hard disk market? Or was it just desktop (IDE) drives? > -----Original Message----- > From: Master of all that Sucks [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:48 PM > To: Glenatacme(a)aol.com > Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Fujitsu drives (was Re: Service does still exist....) > > > > Well, it usually the large-capacity (4.5+ GB) older > workstation drives. > One good way to find out is to ask Fujitsu. It's the path I normally > take. > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 Glenatacme(a)aol.com wrote: > > > More information about this, please? If I find a Fujitsu > drive how can I > > tell if the lifetime warranty applies to that drive? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Glen > > 0/0 > > >

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Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo?

by mranalog＠home.com

When is someone going to recreate the I [heart] d|i|g|i|t|a|l bumper sticker? I had one of those on my rear bumper until I junked the car about 10 years ago. It was just too hard to cut it out of the bumper. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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ebay: posted more microchannel stuff today

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

Posted 2 Kingston 286 type memory cards, 2 Kingston 386 memory cards and 3 Arco IDE controllers...use ebay's search for my auctions with the seller's username of "rhblake" to see them. Sorry for the OT but I know there plenty of people with NCR and IBM microchannel machines that want these things - I'm doing a major reduction in "stuff" and there will be machines, cards, drives, etc from now until around the first of 2002...

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TI Stuff for Sale

by gehrich＠tampabay.rr.com

At 10:34 AM 8/28/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I have the following TI stuff available. Please see my previous note about >Apple II stuff for all terms/conditions.... > >TI RF Modulator -- Qty. 5, untested, $2.00 EACH I would like to have the TI modulators. If not already spoken for how much for postage and where do I send the check? P.O. Box 3365, Spring Hill Florida 34611-3365

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se scsi from ex8200

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Would the person who wanted the Single Ended SCSI card out of the Exabyte 8200 please resend me a message. I've lost your mail. Thanks, --Chuck

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37 pin connector on VAXServer

by dittman＠dittman.net

> I've found that the 37 pin connector on the back of the VAXServer 3100 is a > DECNet connector. Depending on the pigtail it connects to either a V35 plug > (big square thing) or a DB25 that connected to a DEC synchronous modem. It sounds like a synchronous serial adapter that can be used for DECnet, not a DECnet-only adapter. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> At 12:51 PM 9/8/01 -0500, Eric wrote: > >Do you mean you are worried the Hobbyist program will go away? > >Eric Dittman > > No, I _know_ the Hobbyist program will go away. People like HP and Compaq > are starting to layoff people who they actually still have a use for in > order to cut costs. What's the ROI on the Hobbyist program? Zilch! So it > gives them some good press but it also causes their operations folks to get > calls from folks who are trying to find spares for machines they never > heard of. So they will kill it, I just hope they give out lifetime PAKs > before they do. Compaq authorizes the Hobbyist program, but they don't do much else. They don't pay to maintain the program, they don't give away the distributions, they don't provide the PAKs. I don't think the Hobbyist program costs Compaq more than a minimal amount. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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37 pin connector on VAXServer

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I've found that the 37 pin connector on the back of the VAXServer 3100 is a DECNet connector. Depending on the pigtail it connects to either a V35 plug (big square thing) or a DB25 that connected to a DEC synchronous modem. --Chuck

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >> Yes it does, however I am dearly afraid that with HP and Compaq doing the > >> dance that the lore of such things will be permanently lost at some point. > >> If Compaq would just say "screw it, the next time someone requests a > >> license give them a non-expiring one." my heart would rest easier... > > > >Do you mean you are worried the Hobbyist program will go away? > > I've been worried about it for several years. What ticks me off is you can > buy a Hobbyist package from Compaq for Tru64, and it has non-expiring > packs, and CD's. Why can't they do that for OpenVMS? I'd gladly pay > $200-300 for that! Which is a lot more than the $99 for Tru64. The real > joke being the Tru64 hobbyist shipped for the first couple weeks with an > OpenVMS Condist bundled in (someone made a major mistake)! Unfortunatly I > wasn't lucky enough to get one, but a friend did. I was one of the lucky ones to get the OpenVMS ConDist after ordering the Tru64 Hobbyist package. The package wasn't just the ConDist, it also included PAKs. The package was for people in the developer's program. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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IEEE-488 interface and Commodore Pet

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 8, 13:51, Louis Schulman wrote: > I have done some research, and since this subject seems to only interest me, I will respond to myself. > I see no alternate but to appeal to my British brethren regarding any such card they may find in > their travels. Tony, Pete, et al, I beseech you! To each of you I say, "Hast thou a response?" Not a very helpful one, I'm afraid. I actually visited Brain Boxes not long after they moved to Wavertree Technology Park, and at that time they had a respectable portfolio of IEEE-488 devices, and I noticed a few PETs and other machines around. That was over ten years ago and even then they were looking at other product areas. I've never had any contact with them since, so unless you can get any response from them direct, I haven't any suggestions. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> I got a great bunch of artifacts recently from an ex-Digit (DEC Employee) > who was finally not going to use his VAX for anything else any more. They are a good source of interesting stuff. I got Autocad for VMS that way. > These included: > A set a PAKs that rivals the Hobbyist offering > and exceeds it in that it has a PL/I and APL PAK. I asked about PL/I not being included in the Hobbyist licensing program and was told that was because Compaq no longer owns PL/I. I guess APL isn't in the Hobbyist license set as that hasn't been a deliverable for a long time. Does anyone know when it was last included in the ConDist sets? If so I can look for it. I have several year's worth of ConDist CDs but have lost the paperwork that listed the included products. Of course a PAK generator solves the problem of missing PAKs quite nicely. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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HP & Compaq

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Have you brought up an interim fix - either clip the ties and support the > cat5 bundle off the conduits? OR untie it, wrap the bundles with common > aluminum foil (yeah it works) and then retie them using looser cable ties? > Might be a nice way to pick up a few extra bucks on a weekend and make them > happy at the same time. I've brought in consultants offering to do everything from a similar temporary fix to a complete re-wire.... but there's no acknowledgement on the part of said former supervisor who is also the closet thing we have to a comptroller that we actually have a problem. He said to drop it until I could PROVE the wiring wss the problem, and however that might be done would likely require resources I don't have. Said former supervisor and the 30% co-owner make all final determinations as to what $$$ can be spent purely on cash-flow and profitability... ideas such as IT-spending-as-investment are total anathema. Most IT spending gets done during the end-of-year-write-it- off-as-supplies spending orgy. -dq

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CoCo Xpndr1 (was: RE: Keep or assemble???

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>A) Anybody know anything about the company that marketed these, as I don't >want to intentionally break any copyright laws; but with no info on the >internet & the extreme possibility of the company no longer existing, does >anyone think I'll be in trouble with the law WRT copyright laws? I'm mainly >just using the original as a pattern for (1) the signal names & pinouts, >and (2) the dimensions of the connectors & pins (I didn't have anything >else that had the ground pegs on either side of the connector). If you are redesigning for YOUR use only, then at least in the US, there is no copyright problem any which way (it falls under Fair Use). >The designs (when they get closer to completion) I will have on my website >for free, but if I make several cards and someone else is dumb^H^H^H^H bold >enough to purchase one I would sell them for a small profit... This is where you can get in trouble. If you make your mods available to the public (even if for free), you can be seen as infringing upon the owners rights. However, if the company has gone out of business, you probably wont get in any trouble. But do NOT confuse out of business with public domain, they are not one in the same, just because the company is out of business or isn't selling the item any more, does NOT mean that the item is public domain. They still have the rights to it, and can choose how and where it can be made available. I personally still don't think you will have a problem, but you will most likely technically be breaking the law. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Some new stuff. What is it?

by kd7bcy＠teleport.com

OK, maybe it's not... I found the power supply. No smoke or flames. Not much of anything. The green LED turns on when I plug in the power, but the entire thing(including my power cube) goes dead when I plug in the monitor. It might need a special monitor. It DOES, however, respond to the keyboard. Caps, num and scroll locks all function and those lights blink twice when the power is turned on and then it bleeps at me. I guess the next step is to plug a printer into it and see what happens, but I probably won't get around to digging out a parallel printer until next week. BTW, my power supply is getting worse. The 7.5v setting puts out 12.5, and the 12v setting puts out 22!!! Ouch! I'm thinking it's time to get another one. Or better, make one. A nice regulated supply. I don't think it harmed the box though, since it has a voltage regulator right inside. -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/

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Font used in d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo?

by jeremy.barker＠btinternet.com

The Digital logo does not use any known font because it was hand drawn by a graphic artist. It looks very similar to the Helvetica/Univers "Swiss" type fonts but is not identical to any of them. As someone else has noted there is a PostScript version of the logo. IIRC it was produced by digitising a large film master which revealed some interesting things - for example, the two i characters aren't identical. For producing print copy before the age of PostScript Digital used dry transfer sheets that were custom made in a variety of sizes. I'm afraid that I cannot help on the other font(s) used in the pdp logos and on cabinet panels. jb - London, UK

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >From what I've been told, the system was designed by Tony Pepin. This is > >kind of neat for me since at one time I owned (and may still, I'm not sure > >*grin*) a Model I that had his name, address and phone # engraved on the > >case. (I also owned a Model I that at one time was the personal machine > >of the editor of 80 US Micro - that was pretty cool too. *laughs*) > > That's cool...it's always neat to know any specific history > of a machine like that. One of my Model 2000's was gotten from Roy > Soltoff of Misosys. He had bought it to get into software > development for the 2000 but then ended up never using it when the > market never materialized. Indeed. I am fortunate to have the Dennis Bathory-Kitsz's personal LNW-80. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Updated: DEC PDP-10 Emulation Web Page

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I think I forgot to announce the webpage here a month or so when I did it up. Anyway I've just updated it to reflect that beta's of simh 2.7 are available now, AND more importantly that a ITS distribution is now available! It can be accessed at http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html The webpage details where to get an emulator (including links to Windows binaries), the installation documents for your OS of choice (TOPS-10, TOPS-20, or ITS), your OS of choice (well, at least the versions that are supported), and any doc's that are available online for the OS. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jim Tuck <technos(a)nerdland.org> >D'ya know if they ever fixed the mid-bitstream problem that was common >early with the >Trash and later with the Atari and their MPI over cassette interface? I >had one of the >Atari setups, nice so long as you were only using it like a multi-cable >PtP setup. Yes. One fix for the cload TRS80 problem was an internal counter based oneshot that would clear the RS flop at the ttl end of the CLOAD read hardware. The interface depended on the transistion detector being reset by software and sometimes that didnt happen and it would get lost. The other problem was if you were doing back to back (cpu to cpu) CLOAD CSAVE the clock on one could be way off and after a minute or so of data transfer the recieving system would get behind. Allison

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FSOT 3

by allain＠panix.com

My community is having a mass tag sale around me so kinda getting into the spirit. Free for Postage else TOSS! Bubbl-tec Bubbl-Machine literature pack. Sheets for DEC LSI-11, SBC-80, Multibus Bubble memory Wyse Literature Pages on the WY-30,50,60,85,99GT terminals AT&T 6386 WGS sales specifications card. Four Best offers takes: DEC "Microcomputer Processors" 1978-79 Reference manual on the LSI-11. Softbound, 250 or so pages. John A. There's a few computer related items on my lawn too to test the waters.

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HP & Compaq

by technos＠nerdland.org

On Friday, September 07, 2001 11:19 PM, Megan [SMTP:mbg@world.std.com] wrote: > > If this goes through, it means I will have worked for three > separate companies in five years time, and not had to move > my office once... > > Megan Gentry I've worked for five in just over three. Granted, I've moved my cube, but that was solely motivated by my ambition to gradually get 1) Closer to a coffee pot 2) A window 3) A convenient exit for those 'late days'. through exploiting my co-workers temporary vacancies, and not because I had to. Jim

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[Fwd: Undeliverable Mail]

by RHudson＠esprit.com

Well several of my replys were rejected by classicomp email system so here they all are together... :^) Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> wrote: > >> I was going to write a simulator for Bell Labs "Cardiac" (cardboard >> slide the slides and move bits be the cpu your self) computer, but >> all I >> can find is the Instruction Set... > > > Do you _have_ a CARDIAC? Do you want one? > > -ethan > > > > __________________________________________________ I don't have one, but the instruction set was listed on the Internet once or twice, 0,input ... What I don't have is the "Wireing" that graphic on the "cpu" side that controlls operation, and there are part that change with the instructions. Yes I would like a cardiac, any donations? (will trade for C coded emulator :^) [ will code for toys?? ] ) I went on to "design" the 8 bit machine described because cardiac won't handle character data, only 3 digit numbers. I also wanted to make use of the a whole 8 bits, and have each instruction use only 8 bits (well some of them do read the next byte via indirect of the PC) Also I think the flag testing at for each instruction is um clever, what do you think. will repost instruction set if desired. I really wanted some of you to look over the instruction set and theory to see if I was obvously missing somthing. Reply to Zane... Thanks for the pointer to the TOPS-10 emulator I will see what I can do with it...

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IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I've got some copies of DOS. I know, I know. Does anyone want them? I've got PC-DOS 3.0 in the original IBM slipcase I've got two copies of MS-DOS 5, one is still shrinkwrapped I think I have PC-DOS 3.2 anyway they are available for postage or free if you come to sunnyvale to get them. --Chuck

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Some new stuff. What is it?

by kd7bcy＠teleport.com

For those of you in Portland, OR, the Wacky Willy's on NW Vaughn St. has a LOT of cool stuff. A bunch of Macs and PC's(including several large Compaq servers with either 486 or 586 and lots of HD's... Might go back and get one myself for $100) and TONS of furniture of the odd kind. Seems that OHSU has turned the place into their new dumping grounds. Sadly, the Macs were all missing the hard drive, and most of the PC's have either been wiped or stripped of drives also. Lots of Compaqs! Anyway, I picked up some odd parts as well as an Epson HX-20 with an expansion unit and micro-cassette drive cartridge and a cute plastic carrying case. I should be able to figure it out easily, and my PX-8 finally has a companion! The item that really stumps me appears to be a terminal of some sort. It's in a very small box (6x8x1) and has a Z180 in it, next to a large(160 pin) unmarked chip. It has VGA video, DIN-5 keyboard, parallel printer, and two RJ-style(6 pins, and an offset clip) COM ports. It needs a small headphone plug for power with 12v, so I need to dig out my crappy universal power supply and see what blows up(I've noticed that it tends to put out a few extra volts... 12v setting is usually 18v with no load and closer to 13-15 with small loads) The only markings are on the edge of the board and on the EPROMs. The board says "01000117 REV.01 MAGPIE SSPC" and the EPROMs say "6086 7/6 1600 EL 0" and "EL 1" for the next chip. As soon as I can find my power wart I'll post an update about the size of the flames spitting out of it ;-) (NOOooooo! Come back magic smoke!!!) -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/

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VCB02 pinout?

by root＠diablonet.net

Hi! Thanks to the generosity of one list member, I now have a VCB02 boardset to play around with. Unfortunately, I don't have the bulkhead panel for it. Does anyone know what the connector and pinout was for this? On a related note, can the cable used to hook up a keyboard/mouse/monitor on a VAXstation 2000 also be used to connect a keyboard/mouse/monitor to the VCB02 subsystem? It sounds like they're pretty much identical. Thanks, Sean -- Sean Caron http://www.diablonet.net scaron(a)engin.umich.edu root(a)diablonet.net

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by technos＠nerdland.org

On Friday, September 07, 2001 7:04 PM, Jeff Hellige [SMTP:jhellige@earthlink.net] wrote: > saving stuff from the slave machines. It worked pretty well though. > Anyone know just what additional stuff was needed to do it? > > Jeff I played with one of these early on. To load and save files from the slaves? There was just a little third-party bit of 'repeater' software that tried to emulate a CLOAD. Couldn't do anything other than save, tho. The hardware itself was just a pair of RC pairs and a single transistor amp. Think there was some TTL glue, but I can't see it as being terribly important. D'ya know if they ever fixed the mid-bitstream problem that was common early with the Trash and later with the Atari and their MPI over cassette interface? I had one of the Atari setups, nice so long as you were only using it like a multi-cable PtP setup. Jim.

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HP & Compaq

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblakeman(a)kih.net> > I never have a problem with the business line of HP PCs' (Kayak, Brio and > Vectra) - the Pavilion line keeps me going with warranty repairs at $65 per > inshop repair and $30 per "exchange unit". I was specifically referring to the Pavilions. The Vectras were especially well-made. > I only get one of every 50 or 60 > owners that have the Compaq owner's attitude about HP's machines. Not too sure what you're saying here. > If you contact customer support at HP they can either ship a free restore > set if it's under warranty and you tell them it's there but not loading. If > you've lost it, in or out of warranty, they can sell you a replacemant if > you supply the unit serial number. Problem is the customers often won't wait. We're famous for <= 2-day-turnaround ;>) > Packard Bell wasn't bad near the end of their reign of terror. They got real > too late and were already on a downward spiral fast towards earth. Yeah, their P-II boxes were *almost* standard ATX. > I don't know why anyone feels the HP restore is bloated...it's all > MicroSteal for the most part. All windows 98, NT, ME and 2k stuff is huge > and you need a broadband connection to download it. I just popped $20 for > the Win NT 4.0 service pack 6.0a rather than sit for 2 days downloading it. I never download any MS stuff. I'm referring to the device drivers for goodies like the Riptide sound/modem combo. The drivers posted at hp.com are > 9MB. The *real* fun begins when, after the download, the installation program pukes up a message: "Cannot find original driver files -- update terminated" or something to that effect. Why aren't the originals available on their site??? And what sort of code, exactly, is in a > 14 MB video driver??? When I was writing C for a living, if I had ever produced an executable -- never mind a device driver -- which occupied 14 MB of disk space I would have been sent packing. Sheesh. Glen 0/0

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HP EISA network card FT/free

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

I have an HP EISA network card (10BaseT + AUI), it came out of a 486/66ST server. I believe the model # is 27248. For trade (I'm looking for 41256-100 RAM) or free for cost o' shipping. Gordon Gordon Zaft zaft(a)azstarnet.com

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HP & Compaq

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 7, 14:02, Mike Ford wrote: > >It would have helped if the installers (before my time) > >hadn't wire-tied the cat 5 runs to the nearest 110v A/C > >lines... three-foot parallel runs, in fact... > > My house is done is untwisted bellwire, any kind of cat5 sounds like > nirvana to me. > > CAT5 is shielded twisted pairs isn't it? Why would proximity to 60 hz ac be > a problem, or are the network cards just REALLY poorly designed (rejection > of common mode noise)? Nope, Cat 5 is UTP -- UNshielded twisted pair. It has reasonable common-mode rejection, but nothing is perfect. In long runs, such as you'd find in a typical commercial building infrastructure, you'd notice quite a difference if the UTP was too close to power cables. They're notoriously noisy. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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TRS80 Model III again

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi, Having got my Model III back together only to discover the CRT *has* decompressed has anyone got a spare they'd like to sell? This one is a 16K non-floppy model with a serial number less than 1400 so I'd like to get it running again! cheers folks, -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - The online Computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly Gothic shenanigans

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HP & Compaq

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

It would have helped if the installers (before my time) hadn't wire-tied the cat 5 runs to the nearest 110v A/C lines... three-foot parallel runs, in fact... and management refuses to believe we need to re-cable.. I was even threatened by my supervisor-at-the-time and told not to bring it up again, as it would be a 5-digit refit cost. -dq > -----Original Message----- > From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhblakeman@kih.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:53 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: HP & Compaq > > > Sounds like you need to think about using STP shielded > cabling if you have > that much noise on the LAN. > > -> -----Original Message----- > -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of > Douglas Quebbeman > -> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:21 AM > -> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > -> Subject: RE: HP & Compaq > -> > -> > -> > > They BOUGHT it...BOUGHT != KILLED. Now Tulip chips have > -> Intel logos > -> > > on them. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen some...it may > -> have been a > -> > > nightmare or something. ;) > -> > > -> > Those el-cheapo Linksys cards that I like because the > newer ones rarely > -> > fail on me and when they do they are cheap to replace, > are Tulip. And > -> > they're faster because of it. > -> > -> I hope you don't mean the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX > cards... they are > -> *way* too sensitive to noisy LANs... I've had to pull > several and replace > -> them with either Intel Pro/100 adapters, or drop back to > some old 3Com > -> 3c509 10Mbps combo cards... Of course, YMMV, etc... > -> > -> -dq > -> >

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IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I'd only store them (for possible future use), if I get them. If someone will actually use it, then it's thiers... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:18 PM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' ! Subject: RE: IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc ! ! ! On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, David Woyciesjes wrote: ! > Nevermind me taking them. Fred would put them to better ! use with his ! > students, as a history lesson ;-) ! ! I already have enough that nobody need hold back if they want them. ! ! -- ! Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com ! <A HREF= "http://merritt.edu/~fcisin" >classes</A> !

24 years, 6 months

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VAX 4000/500 Upgrade Successful

by dittman＠dittman.net

I was successful in upgrading my VAX 4000/300 to a /500. I had the CPU but had to buy MS690 memory to replace my MS670. I also went >from 96MB to 128M. Now to find a used /700A or /705A CPU to upgrade further. I was a little worried that my backplane was not of the right revision, but the barcode part number matched that of a /500 and /400 at work, so I wasn't too worried. I'd seen conflicting information when I searched DejaNews^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HGoogleGoups, so I figured I'd better check. If anyone else needs this information, the bardcode part number on all three systems is 54-19354-01. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

24 years, 7 months

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IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] ! ! On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Chuck McManis wrote: ! > I've got some copies of DOS. I know, I know. Does anyone want them? ! ! If nobody else steps forward (or in it), I'll gladly take any ! copies of ! DOS. Besides my personal "collection", it is handy to have a ! lot of DOS ! manuals for various versions available for use by the students in my ! Microcomputer Operating Systems class. Chuck --- Nevermind me taking them. Fred would put them to better use with his students, as a history lesson ;-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Self Same computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> So what I predict, is that in the near future (probably 1 to > 2 but certainly less than 5 years) you will only see > "computers" sold as either big-bad-ass servers, or small > embeddedable controllers. The middle ground, the so called > "Personal Computer" will cease to exist as a general purpose > machine. And only the programmers will notice. I don't think so- there is a significant market for a particular form-factor of personal computer, the workstation, that just won't go away. It's too small a niche market to justify the engineering and production of a "CAD appliance" and too large to justify killing the general purpose computer on which it's based. Ditto for "Programming appliances", "research applicances", and so on. These just won't come to be. Rather, the general purpose PC will live on to fill those market niches. Regards, -dq

24 years, 7 months

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My latest find

by mranalog＠home.com

I've managed to push back the age of the oldest computer user manual in my collection by another 42 years. SCREW PROPELLER COMPUTER Geo. McDermott 52 pages, hardbound, first edition Taylor and Carpenter, 1902 This book describes a mechanical computer with two separate rotating discs to enter variables and used to calculate the dimensions and proportions of screw propellers The last chapter is entitled "Directions for operating the computer" with 7 example problems. Unfortunately there are no pictures of the computer in the book so I'll have to wait until the book attracts the computer. :) --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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Noisy LAN (was RE: HP & Compaq)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! It would have helped if the installers (before my time) ! hadn't wire-tied the cat 5 runs to the nearest 110v A/C ! lines... three-foot parallel runs, in fact... ! ! and management refuses to believe we need to re-cable.. ! I was even threatened by my supervisor-at-the-time and ! told not to bring it up again, as it would be a 5-digit ! refit cost. Oooof, that bites. Knowing me, I probably would mention it again, then once my boss reprimands me for it, I'd be up in HR (or the Big Boss) getting him tossed for being a (insert adjective of choice) moron... it's good he's gone now. Time to pitch the re-wire job... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

24 years, 7 months

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IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Chuck --- If no one else wnats them to use, stick them in with my Trimm case you're sneding. I'll keep them around, just in case! Geez, it looks like I'm starting my own library/museum! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Chuck McManis [mailto:cmcmanis@mcmanis.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:18 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: IBM DOS 3.0, MS-DOS 5.x etc ! ! ! I've got some copies of DOS. I know, I know. Does anyone want them? ! ! I've got PC-DOS 3.0 in the original IBM slipcase ! ! I've got two copies of MS-DOS 5, one is still shrinkwrapped ! ! I think I have PC-DOS 3.2 ! ! anyway they are available for postage or free if you come to ! sunnyvale to ! get them. ! --Chuck !

24 years, 7 months

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OT?? NOVELL 3.11/3.12 complete manual set available

by west＠tseinc.com

Don't know how old Novell 3.11 is, so this might be offtopic - if so, my apologies... We're dumping the last remaining trash out of our old office. I came across a (likely) complete manual set for novell 3.11/3.12. They are free for the cost of shipping if anyone wants them. If you want them, speak up before noon tomorrow or they're going into the dumpster Jay West

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HP & Compaq

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > I hope you don't mean the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX cards... they are > > *way* too sensitive to noisy LANs... I've had to pull several and replace > > them with either Intel Pro/100 adapters, or drop back to some old 3Com > > 3c509 10Mbps combo cards... Of course, YMMV, etc... > > Actually, I am referring specifically to the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX > Revision four and higher cards. The older ones are garbage. The box of 20 I bought last December has not served us well... even though I believe our LAN is the weak point, at least the Intel and 3Com cards don't crash the PC from effects of the noise... Regards, -dq

24 years, 7 months

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Second Source i4004?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 26, Wayne M. Smith wrote: > I was looking inside my ProLog M-900 and noticed a gold and > ceramic chip labeled "INS4004D" socketed next to two i4002s. > Does anyone know if National Semi second sourced the i4004? > It also has the number "530" on the bottom which I suppose > is a lot no. > > For those with GUI browsers, here is the best I could do > with my camera: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~wmsmith/ProLog4004.jpg Hmm, it sure looks like it! -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Self Same computers

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 01:43 PM 9/6/01 -0700, McManis, Charles wrote: >So what I predict, is that in the near future (probably 1 to 2 but certainly less than 5 years) you will only see "computers" sold as either big-bad-ass servers, or small embeddedable controllers. The middle ground, the so called "Personal Computer" will cease to exist as a general purpose machine. And only the programmers will notice. With prices dropping so low, computers have become more disposable. But even with the $200 Celeron 566 you can buy today, it still has drive bays and memory slots and IDE and USB I/O interfaces. A vast part of the computer market is the selling of add-ons and replacement components. How cheap will computers need to be before you'll throw one away because the CD drive stopped working? Does commoditization necessary mean they'll no longer be expandable, and that they'll be expendable? (Driving to the office tonight, a very beat-up and rusty car very nearly matched the speed of my 2001 model.) Does it mean people won't want to buy replacement parts or upgrade options? What might this mean for classic computers? In fifteen years, some of them may be unbootable, as the ASP-like web services they depended on have disappeared like so many dog-food-selling dot-com ephemera sites. To stretch the auto analogy, even in the smallest towns there are still auto parts stores and repair shops and at the next level, all the junk yards and parts dealers who fill the needs of the repair stores. With the surging wave of enthusiastic game-players who rapidly drove the pace of graphics card development far beyond what the earlier CAD and computer graphics market ever demanded, has emerged a new class of computer owners who eagerly upgrade, tweak, customize and polish their systems beyond all reason. Just like car enthusiasts. :-) - John

24 years, 7 months

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Self Same computers

by Charles.McManis＠netapp.com

In response to my comment of: >No doubt the auto industry had a very similar time of it and today >cars are largely identical except for things like body styling and >number of cup holders. So what used to be special and unique, is now >common and mundane. At 04:19 PM 9/6/2001 -0400, Jeff Hellige wrote: > My only problem with that analogy is that automobiles are >fairly fixed as to what you can use them for, while computers on the >other hand are bounded only by the imagination and talent of the >programmers. Except that over 95% of "end user" computers purchased today are _not_ bought by programmers. And what non-programmers do with computers _is_ fixed, and as many on this list have complained it gets harder and harder every year to find enough information to actually program these things at a level deeper than Visual Basic script. So what I predict, is that in the near future (probably 1 to 2 but certainly less than 5 years) you will only see "computers" sold as either big-bad-ass servers, or small embeddedable controllers. The middle ground, the so called "Personal Computer" will cease to exist as a general purpose machine. And only the programmers will notice. --Chuck

24 years, 7 months

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: John Honniball <John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk> > > > > I am not sure that ancient analogue tape recorders > > > > are on-topic :-) > > While it is possible to use such machines to store programs from most > > home computers, I don't think many people did. > > I did! I hooked up my Akai 4000DS reel-to-reel > (transistor, not valve) to my Compukit UK101. DS? I have a 4000D right here which I use to convert old tapes to CD-ROM media. What's the difference between D and DS??? BTW the ZX81/TS1000 is extremely picky about tape recorders, and I have never gotten one to work with a reel-to-reel deck. Any ideas why? > Didn't one of the Elektor machines use 45s for software > distribution? Wasn't there once a music CD with software > on one track (for a Spectrum?)? Actually it was a 45-rpm disk. The program was on one side and music was on the other. The idea was to load the program into the Spectrum, then flip the record and run the program and play the music at the same time. There was some sort of way to sync the program to the music (or vice versa) for a "multimedia experience." Glen 0/0

24 years, 7 months

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HP & Compaq

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > As has been shown over and over, the masses put up with a lot > of things that an individual would otherwise turn away from and > refuse. It's kind of interesting to note that at this point, PC > brand names mean very little and there's little to no brand loyalty. > Makes sense since there is little difference from one to the other. Unfortunately people new to PCs often regard name-brands highly when shopping for their first computer, and they will often turn up their snouts when they see my (very nice looking) white-box clones. I have also had people tell me they didn't believe small shops actually built systems, but that we bought them from some Asian factory (too "complex" to be produced outside of an assembly line). Glen 0/0

24 years, 7 months

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Booting Apple ][GS

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi folks, I'm sure I read here that it was possible to boot a GS over an Appletalk network; I've got a choice now - the ][GS 5 1/4" floppy drive I won in January has finally turned up so I can either try and get GS/OS onto 5 1/4" disks or I can boot GS/OS images from another Mac or something.....I'm itching to get it running for the museum so any hints are appreciated.... cheers! -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - The online Computer museum, now with its 3rd CBM P500 www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly Gothic shenanigans

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Update on IIgs Computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Rich --- I have installers for OS 7.1.2, 7.5, 7.5.1, etc., up to 8.1, on my Service Source CD. Let me know exactly which you're looking for. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Rich Beaudry [mailto:r_beaudry@hotmail.com] ! Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:10 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Update on IIgs Computers ! ! ! To all who responded to my inquiry on IIgs computers, ! ! My apologies for the delay on this. I was delayed in getting ! the stuff, and ! put the last in my loft at 11:00pm last night! ! ! The quantity was certainly smaller than I was led to ! believe... One school ! had already dumped some stuff... ! ! Totals are as follows: ! ! IIgs CPUs: 25 ! 3.5" floppies: 20+ ! 5.25" floppies: 20+ ! IIgs keyboards/cables: 20+ ! IIgs Monitors: 12 (there are more left ... see below...) ! Imagewriter II w/ cable: 5 ! Macintosh LCII w/ monitor/keyboard/mouse: 2 ! IIgs mice: ???? (I didn't get an exact count, and I'm afraid ! I will be short ! quite a few) ! IIc CPUs w/ power supply: 2 ! ! The only things left at the school are monitors. I have them ! on hold, so ! they won't be dumped, but there are at least 12 more IIgs ! monitors, and 2 ! IIc color composite monitors. I didn't know how many people ! were interested ! in the monitors, however, because of shipping costs. ! ! I will begin testing, but I don't expect to get done before ! the end of the ! weekend (I do have a life! :-P). I will let you know further ! what exactly ! is in each IIgs, any cards, ROM versions, etc. at that time. ! I will also ! have exact counts on how many "complete" systems I can build. ! ! There was one near-mint Woz w/ a memory card, but I'm keeping ! that one :-) ! ! Since I am keeping a IIgs, and also one of the LC IIs (there ! were three, but ! I deducted my keeper from the list above), I am looking for a ! set of working ! IIgs System Software (6.0.1, I think? Or maybe 6.1??) ! diskettes, and a set ! of working MacOS System 7.5 diskettes. We can work a deal if ! you would ! like, and the diskettes do NOT have to be originals (no legal ! issues, as ! Apple has these for download.... I'm not an Apple expert, ! however, so I'd ! rather get already-working disk sets...) ! ! Unless you have diskettes for me, please do NOT reply to this ! message. I ! will post again when I have completed testing all of the ! hardware. At that ! time, I will ask for who is interested in what, and where we go from ! there.... ! ! Also, apologies for mentioning the LC II ... OT until next ! year, I think :-) ! ! Thanks! ! ! Rich B. !

24 years, 7 months

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Self Same computers (was HP & Compaq)

by Charles.McManis＠netapp.com

Jeff Hellige originally wrote: > As has been shown over and over, the masses put up with a lot > of things that an individual would otherwise turn away from and > refuse. It's kind of interesting to note that at this point, PC > brand names mean very little and there's little to no brand loyalty. > Makes sense since there is little difference from one to the other. This is why collecting classic computers and preserving them is so important. Interestingly, people who were different in the early PC days were punished severely from not being "100% PC Compatible" Many on this list remember the famous question, "But does is run MS Flight Simulator?" Which was one of the standard compatibility tests. As for brand names, I think they will come more and more to mean _everything_. After all it has happened with cars it will happen with computers. 21st century personal computers are rapidly converging on a relatively fixed function, internet access unit with data composition and retrieval capabilities. No doubt the auto industry had a very similar time of it and today cars are largely identical except for things like body styling and number of cup holders. So what used to be special and unique, is now common and mundane. --Chuck

24 years, 7 months

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Update on IIgs Computers

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

To all who responded to my inquiry on IIgs computers, My apologies for the delay on this. I was delayed in getting the stuff, and put the last in my loft at 11:00pm last night! The quantity was certainly smaller than I was led to believe... One school had already dumped some stuff... Totals are as follows: IIgs CPUs: 25 3.5" floppies: 20+ 5.25" floppies: 20+ IIgs keyboards/cables: 20+ IIgs Monitors: 12 (there are more left ... see below...) Imagewriter II w/ cable: 5 Macintosh LCII w/ monitor/keyboard/mouse: 2 IIgs mice: ???? (I didn't get an exact count, and I'm afraid I will be short quite a few) IIc CPUs w/ power supply: 2 The only things left at the school are monitors. I have them on hold, so they won't be dumped, but there are at least 12 more IIgs monitors, and 2 IIc color composite monitors. I didn't know how many people were interested in the monitors, however, because of shipping costs. I will begin testing, but I don't expect to get done before the end of the weekend (I do have a life! :-P). I will let you know further what exactly is in each IIgs, any cards, ROM versions, etc. at that time. I will also have exact counts on how many "complete" systems I can build. There was one near-mint Woz w/ a memory card, but I'm keeping that one :-) Since I am keeping a IIgs, and also one of the LC IIs (there were three, but I deducted my keeper from the list above), I am looking for a set of working IIgs System Software (6.0.1, I think? Or maybe 6.1??) diskettes, and a set of working MacOS System 7.5 diskettes. We can work a deal if you would like, and the diskettes do NOT have to be originals (no legal issues, as Apple has these for download.... I'm not an Apple expert, however, so I'd rather get already-working disk sets...) Unless you have diskettes for me, please do NOT reply to this message. I will post again when I have completed testing all of the hardware. At that time, I will ask for who is interested in what, and where we go from there.... Also, apologies for mentioning the LC II ... OT until next year, I think :-) Thanks! Rich B.

24 years, 7 months

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OT: Compaq SmartStart CDs?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Off-topic, at least as much as an HP/Compaq merger... I picked up a pair of Compaq ProLiant 7000 servers at a great price. Up to four PPro 200s, 12 sleds, rack mount. They've been scrubbed and I need any version of the Compaq SmartStart CDs that'll let me reboot and reconfigure the systems to see how well they work. These CDs are $50 on eBay, but that's probably people selling their old sets. I'm hoping someone here will have an old set they might be willing to donate or trade... - John

24 years, 7 months

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Apple ][ disk controller state machine

by gugler＠agames.com

Until I get my hands on a copy of the venerable "Beneath Apple Dos" is there anyone who can point me to an online resource describing the Apple ][ disk controller P6 ROM state machine? The exact uses for the Q6 and Q7 switches ($C0EC-$C0EF)? Or would be willing to summarize from the mighty tome for me? Sorry to bungie post (I'm a brand new list member as of right now), it's not my normal habit, but web searches are failing me for this particular info. The nearest I've found [1] is a bit too cryptic without supplementary descriptions. Cheers, - Sean, Apple //e (enhanced) owner [1] http://www.cs.umu.se/~christer/Apple/ -- Sean Gugler ("Dr. Guz") guz(a)doctor.com "This quote's just six words long."

24 years, 7 months

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Compaq SmartStart CDs?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

John: I may have a version of the 3.2 SmartStart at home. If you can't get one, let me know. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:15 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OT: Compaq SmartStart CDs? Off-topic, at least as much as an HP/Compaq merger... I picked up a pair of Compaq ProLiant 7000 servers at a great price. Up to four PPro 200s, 12 sleds, rack mount. They've been scrubbed and I need any version of the Compaq SmartStart CDs that'll let me reboot and reconfigure the systems to see how well they work. These CDs are $50 on eBay, but that's probably people selling their old sets. I'm hoping someone here will have an old set they might be willing to donate or trade... - John

24 years, 7 months

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find... help

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

You need interface cards for the b&w HP Sacnjets flatbed? I might have one in my basement, with the two HP Scanjets. I'll have to look tonight... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Robert Byrnes [mailto:rbyrnes@pacbell.net] ! Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:00 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: find... help ! ! ! I saw your message from 1998 about Scanjet interface cards ! and wonder if ! you still have them. If so which cards and how much? ! Bob Byrnes !

24 years, 7 months

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Interview on Todd Mundt show

by vcf＠vintage.org

I don't know if anyone caught this but I did an interview on the Todd Mundt show about a week or so ago: Here is the Real Audio archive: http://www.toddshow.org/ram/tmshow0905.ram My interview starts at about the 28 minute mark. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

24 years, 7 months

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HP & Compaq

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblakeman(a)kih.net> > I wonder if HP will absorb Compaq and totally do away with them or still run > them as an independantly named subsidiary. PC-wise, I hope they just sort of do away with each other. IMHO, the current HP and Compaq lines represent the lowest point in mass-produced boxes. As bad as E-Machines and Packard Bells. Additionally, obtaining the drivers (when the customer has lost the restore disk) can be impossible, and when it *is* possible I'm often looking at a 15 MB download for the video and 11 MB more for sound. This is grotesque -- crappy, proprietary hardware running bloated software. It's a wonder people put up with it. Perhaps they won't anymore. Glen 0/0

24 years, 7 months

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find... help

by rbyrnes＠pacbell.net

I saw your message from 1998 about Scanjet interface cards and wonder if you still have them. If so which cards and how much? Bob Byrnes

24 years, 7 months

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Extraneous uses of computers systems. In the same vein somewhere between 1974-1976 one of our systems guys used to backup the RP04's on our PDP11/50 to 9-track tape. He would go to sleep on a mat next to the system. When the backup finished he would then run a program that would perform a series of head seeks that resulted in a shaking of the drive and the floor next to the drive. Very expensive alarm clock. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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HP & Compaq

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > They BOUGHT it...BOUGHT != KILLED. Now Tulip chips have Intel logos > > on them. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen some...it may have been a > > nightmare or something. ;) > > Those el-cheapo Linksys cards that I like because the newer ones rarely > fail on me and when they do they are cheap to replace, are Tulip. And > they're faster because of it. I hope you don't mean the EtherFast 10/100 LNE100TX cards... they are *way* too sensitive to noisy LANs... I've had to pull several and replace them with either Intel Pro/100 adapters, or drop back to some old 3Com 3c509 10Mbps combo cards... Of course, YMMV, etc... -dq

24 years, 7 months

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Olivetti ETX II

by sstratford＠mbbc.edu

Hi I'm new to the list. How might I go about locating a keyboard for an Olivetti ETX II? Please CC me I'm on the digest. --Steve

24 years, 7 months

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Mouse Systems mouse driver

by percy_mistry＠yahoo.com

Hi Everyone...I recently inherited a PenMate Tablet made by Mouse Systems and would like to know if anyone can email me a copy of the driver floppy which came with it and or even tell me the voltage since it is missing the driver floppy and power adaptor! :-) Thanks in advance! -Percy

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Keep or assemble???

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> > No, a pair of ZX81 kits went through recently (although a search no longer > shows them, irritatingly) for daft money. OTOH, when a built one can fetch > ?200+.... I suspect that was just a mad bidder moment however. Hmm. I guess this means I'm rich ;>) I have a ton of this stuff here, and have not been watching Ebay enough. > I wonder if Zebra do a bulk discount; it strikes me that one could buy a > load, then sell them in the UK for easy money... Someone already bought a bunch and brought them into the UK but by the time he paid the freight and customs he had to sell the kits for UKP 90. I'm not sure how he made out on the deal . . . also, the ZX81/Spectrum crowd in the UK would never pay this sort of money. Check comp.sys.sinclair. Glen 0/0

24 years, 7 months

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Regarding unbuilt computer kits

by dan＠ekoan.com

I have a lead on an unbuilt Heathkit H-89 computer that is still in the original shipping carton (the smaller boxes inside are still factory sealed), along with two CRTs. I know Tony would recommend I buy it and build it, but what would a fair price be for such an item? A bit off-topic, but I'm also looking for Heathkit manuals for the IC-2008A (desk calculator), GC-1005 (digital clock), and ID-1390A (digital thermometer). I recently acquired each of these devices but they're all showing erratic behavior of one sort or another. Any ideas where to find these manuals, preferably cheaply? I've found w7fg's web site, but are there other sources? Cheers, Dan http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html

24 years, 7 months

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Keep or assemble???

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > I could be mistaken about this, but IIRC, a risky bet, but ... wasn't the ZX80 a > <$50 proposition back in the '80's and the '81 slightly less, on the order of > $29.95? The ZX80 kits originally sold for 199 British Pounds in 1980 (about US$400 at that time). The ZX81 was advertised in Scientific American in 1981 for $99 (the assembled version was $149). By '84 the ZX80s were pretty much gone and the '81s were at the $29.95 level you mention. Glen 0/0

24 years, 7 months

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Louis Schulman <louiss(a)gate.net> > I assume this is on for Saturday, September 15, as previously announced. Have announcements been > placed in the appropriate usenet groups? We certainly want to let all those who might be interested know > about this get together! Louis, the CFCJF is absolutely on! I have posted notices in about a dozen usenet groups and have had a few inquiries. As always, the more the merrier so if you know some places where you can spread the word please do so. We might not have a big crowd the first time, but if everyone has fun and word gets out we might be able to do this once or twice every year. See ya there! Glen 0/0

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Central Florida Computer Junk Fest !

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Louis, Welcome aboard. Joe's and several other collectors are in Orlando. I live in the Ft. Lauderdale area but will be in Orlando that weekend. Once we get a little feedback, we'll set a time and place. Is Saturday September 8th OK for you? Steverob >From: "Louis Schulman" <louiss(a)gate.net> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: "classiccmp-classiccmp.org" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>, "joe" ><rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >CC: "Glenatacme-aol.com" <Glenatacme(a)aol.com>, >"musicman38-mindspring.com" <musicman38(a)mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: Central Florida Computer Junk Fest ! >Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) > >Hey! I am in Tampa! My wife says: You have way too much computer >junk! Get rid of it! > >So, count me in! You guys are in Orlando? > >Louis Schulman > >On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:15:11 -0400, joe wrote: > ># ># Steve Robertson said "Why don't you send out an invitation to the >#"Central Florida Computer Junk Fest". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Atari find

by dbz＠mypad.com

> At the last TRW swapmeet in So. Cal, I picked up a couple of Atari > XE130's for $5 each. The seller said he had pulled them out of a > school computer lab. No power supplies, but a quick trip to Ebay fixed > that... Haha, I bet you ended up paying twice that for the PSU's. ^_^ > So I connect one of them to my TV, and flip on the power switch. The > console LED turned on, and the TV screen went black. That's it. > Uh-oh... Houston..... > Well, we have another one to try. So I connect it, and it boots into > Atari Basic. Much better. I did a quick hello-world type basic > program. Welcome to the world of Atari. > So, is the other one fixable? http://www.tomheroes.com/atari_repair.htm No, really, the first thing you ought to do is open it up and make sure there aren't any burnt up or leaking caps, or other visible signs of damage to the board. Then, swap any socketed chips you find with the 'good' ones from the other machine. Be sure to swap them back individually after testing, nothing worse than complicating an already complicated problem. I don't know if the Atari kit has any trouble chips like the PLA in the C64. I have two 130XE's myself that I've never had any problems with. If there aren't any socketed chips, an easy chip test is to power the machine up, wait about 30 seconds, and put your finger on the top of each of the "big" chips. If any one of them is already hot, it's probably shorted and a good candidate for socketing and swapping. Test the RAM chips in the same way, with your finger or other heat-sensitive probe. Good luck, let us know what you come up with. -----

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Keep or assemble???

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Adrian Vickers <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> > eBay suggests that unbuilt ZX81s are worth silly money (think ?300 ($450) > upwards). Maybe you're thinking of unbuilt ZX80 kits?? Zebra still sells the ZX81 kits for USD 99.95, which is high. I've seen them go for $50 on ebay recently. The North American ZX81 kits are not at all rare. Glen 0/0

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Merger -- Compaq and HP

by pechter＠bg-tc-ppp1179.monmouth.com

> Forwarded for those that may not get the Encompass newsletter > and who might be interested in their plans. > > Jeff Another follow up. > > > Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,alt.folklore.computers > Subject: HP Compaq merger, here we go again. > Summary: Y W8 4 HP > Followup-To: > Distribution: > Organization: Lakewood MicroSystems > Keywords: > Cc: My wife just handed me a pair of Unix Expo Digital Equipment key chains. Don't know if I ought to EBay 'em for quick cash. Maybe a PII or PIII for my new motherboard. The logo d|i|gi|t|a|l in maroon (yeah it's the reworked logo not the good old blue and white). The standard green UNIX license plate and Live Free Or Die. (New Hampshire) The other side a California (The Migration State) plate with the letters Y W8 4 HP. Damned if this wasn't prescient. Why Wait For HP --- cause Palmer, Pfeifer, Capellas and Compaq made a big mess of it. I'm not sure Carly will do any better. My judgement on Lucent/AT&T managers is they aren't much better than Compaq's whiz types. Bill Pechter Ex DEC, Ex-Concurrent, Ex-Alliant, Ex-IBM, recently Ex Lucent, Proabably Ex-Computer Hardware Industry for life Digital Had It Then, Don't you wish you could still buy it NOW! -- Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org

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This week's scores.

by vance＠ikickass.org

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote: > > IBM S/390 G1 > > IBM Shark RAMAC 2TB DASD Server > > SGI Onyx RealityEngine2 > > SGI IrisVision Microchannel (!) > > > > Plus I got to hang out with Dave McGuire, Brian Hechinger, Brian's > > daughter Avalon, Jeff Hellige, and a bunch of other random cool people. > > > > Pretty good week, I think. > > Holy schultz! I should say so! <seethes> > > How'd you manage that? Well, I spent a crapload of money, and I am driving down to Florida this weekend. 8-) It's ALL going to be worth it. Oh yes, it is. *evil grin* Peace... Sridhar

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Fwd: Encompass' Update on HP-Compaq Merger

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Forwarded for those that may not get the Encompass newsletter and who might be interested in their plans. Jeff >Status: U >From: Encompass <Encompass(a)SBA.COM> >To: "'jhellige(a)earthlink.net'" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> >Subject: Encompass' Update on HP-Compaq Merger >Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:08:04 -0500 > > > > >Dear Jeff > >It is with confidence that I write to assure you of Encompass'continued >commitment to serve the needs of our membership in the wake of the announced >merger of Compaq with Hewlett-Packard. Through our strong partnership with >Compaq, Encompass is uniquely positioned to be your advocate on the Itanium >Platform conversion and to work closely with Compaq's senior management team >as plans regarding this proposed union unfold. > >For those who remember the acquisition of Digital by Compaq, these recent >events must seem like deja vu. But while times have changed, our commitment >to deliver forthright information as quickly as possible has not. We are >poised and ready to offer Hewlett-Packard and Compaq recommendations on how >to make the merger beneficial for you, a valuable segment of their existing, >installed customer base. > >Should the merger become realized it would create a new global technology >leader and untold opportunities for Encompass, our Enterprise Computing >Association. Compaq's recent decision to migrate all enterprise level >systems to IPF, coupled with Hewlett-Packard's standing commitment to the >platform will position the newly-formed powerhouse to drive IPF as the "next >core platform" for IT. As such, this will ultimately provide us, the >end-customers of the new company with new levels of stability and >application/solution availability more so than ever before. > >We originally banded together forty years ago as users of Digital Equipment >Corporation computers and then a year ago had the foresight to evolve into >Encompass, an Enterprise Computing Association. Our ability to adapt to the >ever-changing conditions of the information technology industry is one of >the core reasons that our organization has remained vital for so long. Now >as Encompass, it is our mission to help you and your organization be more >successful by providing an open, objective knowledge exchange network. While >the players may change, our guiding principle of meeting your needs remains >unaffected. > >Encompass will work tirelessly to share your concerns with Compaq and >Hewlett-Packard, to provide on-going information about how this merger may >affect you, and to make this newest transition successful for all of us. We >appreciate your continued support in these revolutionary times. > >Sincerely, >Joe Pollizzi >President >Encompass -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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OffTopic: Search for Alpha motherboard info...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

*Sorry about the off-topic multiple-posting, but I'm hoping you guys can help me out here; off list, of course! I hate to have hardware sit unused... I have here a pair of EV4 21064 200MHz CPUs, p/n 21-35023-21. One was >from an AlphaStation 200 4/100, (dead power supply, m/b seems to be dead), apparently an upgrade... I was wondering if there is a dual-processor motherboard I could use these on (and where to find one), or what other machines I could use them in... In my DEC3000 System Programmer's Reference, it says the DEC 3000/500X uses the 200MHz 21064. I assume this is the same (as I have above). If so, I could bump my 3000/400 from 133 MHz to 200MHz, right? Thanks in advance for any info... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Curricula (was: Assembly vs. Everything Else

by ken＠seefried.com

Jumping in late, I know, but when I was at Georgia Tech (mid- to late-80s), we were taught x86 assembly. There was a real focus on the concept that "look folks, there's an awful lot going on under the hood that you might want to be aware of when you write that Pascal (or C, or Lisp, or whatever) program and the details matter". For that lesson, x86 asm is a pretty good, if painful, object lesson. Much of GaTech was like that. Oh, yeah...and we learned Modula-2 from Kim Kings book for undergrad OS. Ken

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removing a Kennedy tape drive from its rack

by norm-classiccmp＠docnorm.com

Hi folks, Brian Knittel and I have acquired a Kennedy vacuum-column tape drive (along with a VAX 11/750 and some other goodies), which he is right this minute driving up from San Jose. He tells me that the tape drive is on rails and rack-mounted, and that the way to remove it from the rack is not obvious. (He can see a latch that prevents the drive from sliding farther into the rack, but not the one that is preventing it from sliding out.) Can anyone tell us how to get it out? This will make it much easier to get out of the rent-a-truck and up the stairs. Thanks! Norm Aleks

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HP & Compaq

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 5, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > > > What Intel got from DEC was a FAB, and in some manner the StrongARM > > > processor (I never have understood this one). > > > > And the Tulip chips, and the PCI bridges, and all the other cool DEC > > chips that we've been using for years... > > Boooooooo!!! I love those tulip chipsets...low CPU use, > ultra-reliable and well-supported by linux. > > Is there's ones still in production or what is another equally GOOD > one that replaces tulip based NICs? They BOUGHT it...BOUGHT != KILLED. Now Tulip chips have Intel logos on them. At least I'm pretty sure I've seen some...it may have been a nightmare or something. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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HP & Compaq

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 5, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >I'm referring to the Itanium; not sure if Intel got that from DEC or not. > > They most certainly did not! Itanium is the marketing name for what was > called Merced for many years. It's been in development since something > like the early 90's. > > What Intel got from DEC was a FAB, and in some manner the StrongARM > processor (I never have understood this one). And the Tulip chips, and the PCI bridges, and all the other cool DEC chips that we've been using for years... -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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DRV11-WA manual

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well thanks to Doug Taylor who lent me one, thanks to Zane who tried Acrobat 5.0, the users guide for the DRV11-WA is now online as a PDF file at the House of VAX. The specific URL is <http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen/boards.htm> (click on the link for the DRV11-WA. Now to get the Dilog manuals up. --Chuck

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8032-SK repairs again

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Hi all, If you're wondering why I've gone quite on the 8032SK front, it's because I'm busy digesting lots of digital electronics books :) I'm surprised at how much I still remember from my school/polytech days - not to mention how much I've forgotten! And why is it two's complement seems so easy now, wheras it used to be so difficult? Weird... Anyway, another PET related question: I've got 4 of the things now, and all of them suffer from wobbly screens to some extent; the oldest (PET 2001) is the least affected somehow.... Aside: Tony mentioned this is probably the electrolytic(s) drying up, and that I should get an ESR meter (good idea, now that I know what one does); I think I'll get a kit one - more soldering practice :). Hmm. Back to the question... Each PET has a huge electrolytic next to the transformer marked "23000mF". Even given the can size, I assume they mean micro-F as opposed to milli-F; but 23000uF seems to be impossible to get, should I replace with a 22000uF or a 33000uF, both of which are readily available? Also, do other non-electrolytic caps degrade - if so, would it be worth replacing *all* the caps on old kit like this? Even so, is it worth replacing all the electrolytic caps as a precaution, or should I just wait impatiently for the ESR meter and only replace the suspect ones? And finally: I bought a "Tip tinner/cleaner" block, and now my soldering iron works a treat! Thanks guys, for rekindling my latent interest in "real" electronics! Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk

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AS/400 Advanced 36 Model 236

by dbetz＠xlisper.mv.com

Anyone interested in one of these? I've got one that I'd like to trade for something interesting. Ideally, I'm interested in a keyboard and mouse for a Symbolics 3645 Lisp Machine. The AS/400 is in southern NH and I'd rather not have to pack it up for shipping. Come by and pick it up if you want it. Also, as I don't have a twinax terminal controller or terminal, I have no way of testing this machine. The people who gave it to me say it worked the last time they used it but I have no way of verifying that.

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by vze2mnvr＠verizon.net

Hello Eric, > I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? >From the sound of this, it might be like the power cords needed for our DEC Alpha AXP 3000 -500 and -800 They also needed a standard ISO computer power cord BUT with a notch or groove in it, that isn't in the standard ISO computer power cord, for the connection in the back of the machine. Luckily though, with the Alphas, underneath in front of the machine, where the power came from the back of the machine to where it actually plugs into the power supply, a non-notched cord could be plugged in. Then eventually we finally came up with one of the notched cords. But, before you ask, we can't spare our one and only. Jan

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Geek Button Sayings

by foxnhare＠jps.net

If you had the opportunity to write a classic computer related phrase (or whatever will work) on a 2.25" diameter button, what would you like to wear? Of course some of the classics are: //////////// BYTE ME! //////////// DANCE ALGORITHM 1.0 0A ASL ;SHIFT TO THE LEFT! 4A LSR ;SHIFT TO THE RIGHT! 48 PHA ;PUSH A! 68 PLA ;PULL A! EA NOP ;BYTE! EA NOP ;BYTE! EA NOP ;BYTE! //////////// 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 (this one is a bit harsh, I'd prefer to use a different phrase) ////////////// My other computer is an Apple I ////////////// My computer takes up half a room draws 500 watts, has 4k of RAM, and runs at only 500khz... Beat That! //////////////// reason: I have a bag of old buttons I am relabling (sticking new labels over the previous 1996 dated event designs) to give away at VCF 5.0, besides the Commodore related ones (of course) and those above, I am open to do other designs (I have already did a nice "I'd rather be playing Spacewar" in button form). Just let me know, I have about 60-100 buttons I'm doing. (color and photos are doable, fonts too if I have em.) -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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UW surplus?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:40 AM 9/5/01 -0500, Paul Thompson wrote: >I find myself in Madison WI for the next couple of days... >I recall someone mentioned the UW surplus shop as a good spot for classic >hardware...does anyone know its hours and location? Open to the public on Fridays and sometimes Saturday: http://www.bussvc.wisc.edu/swap/swap.html Unless you're there at 7:50 AM on Friday, you won't get the stuff that anone else might want. - John

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UW surplus?

by thompson＠mail.athenet.net

I find myself in Madison WI for the next couple of days... I recall someone mentioned the UW surplus shop as a good spot for classic hardware...does anyone know its hours and location? --

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8032-SK repairs again

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 5, 1:44, Adrian Vickers wrote: > Anyway, another PET related question: I've got 4 of the things now, and all > of them suffer from wobbly screens to some extent; the oldest (PET 2001) is > the least affected somehow.... > Each PET has a huge electrolytic next to the transformer marked "23000mF". > Even given the can size, I assume they mean micro-F as opposed to milli-F; > but 23000uF seems to be impossible to get, should I replace with a 22000uF > or a 33000uF, both of which are readily available? Given that the tolerance on electrolytics is often -20% +50%, I'd say the 22000?F should be fine. It's a reservoir/smoothing capacitor, so 33000?F would also be good. > Also, do other non-electrolytic caps degrade - if so, would it be worth > replacing *all* the caps on old kit like this? The others won't fail the way electrolytics do. As to the electrolytics, many are probably OK and I'd not replace any apart than the ones I thought were faulty. I might replace a whole batch in an old switch-mode PSU if one was failing, because experience suggests that in tightly-packed units, with several caps clustered together, more than one starts to go at around the same time. Especially in SMPSUs that get hot. > And finally: I bought a "Tip tinner/cleaner" block, and now my soldering > iron works a treat! One of those little round BIB cleaners? Great! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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FS: (not by me) brand new Olicom 10/100 MCA NICs

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

A person I know, from which I've gotten 2 of these and others on the have gotten up to 2 dozen each, has 2 left. You have to contact him ASAP and he can tell you pricing and postage. His name is Chris Grenier and his email address is: wiseash2000(a)yahoo.com Contact him DIRECT as he does NOT do newsgroups or mailing lists

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OpenVMS powered search engine!

by fernande＠internet1.net

Have any of you seen Northernlight.com? It's Alpha/OpenVMS powered :-) http://www.northernlight.com/ Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Yet Another Board Cleaning Thread

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeffrey S. Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> >First, let's talk about fluids. It's been a while since I took a >chemistry class. Questions: > >* Is there no difference between 'isopropanol', 'isopropyl alcohol', and > 'propan-2-ol'? I supect local naming conventions for Isopropanol Alcohol. >* Are there any better fluids (methanol?) for certain situations? Methanol is to be avoided, very flamable. >* Can I find these at a hardware store? Yes. >* Is there anything I should look out for when using those fluids? That > is, is there anything (glue?) they can damage? Yes!!! Glues vary is solvency and solvents used so any one can be problmatic. MOST ALL are FLAMABLE. Many of the older (gray silicon plastic packages) are more liable to damage by agressive solvents. Water is the safest, generally. >My most important question deals with core stacks. Most of the board ....... >(0) Leave the two board assembleds; disassembly would likely cause > breakage. Should not if done with care. >(1) Blow canned air over the assembly and through the inter-board space. NO! the pressure could beak those fragile wires. >(2) Dip and swish the assembly in isopropyl alcohol. Likely ok, with great care to avoid putting mechanical forces on the core wires. >(3) Blow air over the boards with an unheated hair dryer or more canned > air. NO.. NO, NOOOOOOOO! canned air can be high pressure and Blowdryer is a risk for FIRE. Isopropanol is flammable and both the motor(brushes) and the heater are risk for sparks. Cleaning core is difficult due to the great fragility and the problem that the solder points for the wires can be weaker than the wire due to corrosion {possible environmental} and the stripping methods that may have been used to remove the insulating coating. More often than not the actual core mat is a cleaner location with plastic covers and the like. The latter suggests disassembly of the core stack to observe the condition and cleanliness as compared to the external boards (drivers and sense amps). Use care. Allison

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HP & Compaq

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 02:44 PM 9/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Carlos Murillo wrote: > >> HP needed better production technology than what they had in >> order for their new chip design to stick. The choices were DEC, >> Intel and IBM. Guess what happened. > >IBM is doing the multi-layer ceramic interconnect packaging for the >Itanium. IBM was a latecomer in the alliance. At the time this was agreed, DEC's Alpha outclocked all other mass-production cpus, but Intel was outspending everyone in production technology research. IA64 is the result of a chain of decisions that started a long time ago. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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ZX81 kit (was Re: Keep or assemble???)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Cini, Richard <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> > I'm wondering, without creating flame bait, the pros and cons of > keeping a computer kit versus assembling it? > > I have an unbuilt Sinclair ZX81 kit that I'm toying with assembling. Build the ZX81 kit! I've done three of them and they're easy and fun (if your soldering skills are good). If you're planning on using the ZX81, remember: you don't *have* to build it into its case (with its "unique" keyboard) and you can also leave the RF modulator out and make an easy modification to provide high-quality video to a modern TV with composite video in. It's also easy to increase the onboard RAM from 1KB to 32KB. You wind up with a pretty fair Z80 system with a decent BASIC, crisp video, access to the Z80 via the expansion port, and adequate memory. Let us know what you do! Glen 0/0

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HP & Compaq

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >The last time I remember DEC inventing anything fairly current was when they >came up with the VAX. That was 25 years ago. Everything they sold was the >OLDEST technology they could get and still foist of on the unwary buyer. They'd >NEVER have used anything as up-to-date as what Intel pushes, not that it's the >latest-greatest. By time it's available for hobbiests maybe. Most of the stable products were ahead of the pack, they had to be the pack was hungry and chasing! Lessee, Alpha, remember the 64 bit cpu that was what 10 years ahead of Itainium and the slow parts were maybe 2 times the speed of the fastest intel part running intel emulation. DLT quantums flagship tape backup... formally a DEC patent and was the TK50 back in the mid 80s when the competition was DC600 and 9080 carts. The RZ series of 3.5" drives were connor electonics but the HDA were DEC technology and design. Those SCSI drives were right on the front edge of SCSI standards that were still emerging. Oh and they were fast as well for their time. Beware the comment that sounds like allways and never, rarely are things really that way. DEC was one of the leaders, while they were selling PDP-8s in the form of DECmates and PDP-11s to people that didnt want or need VAXen. Even those "old" systems were sometimes more modern than the PCs of the moment. If anything else they were more likely to be to be found in use or at least working in the early 21st century. Allison

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HP & Compaq

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

After swallowing DEC, I'm glad to see COMPAQ get swallowed. But my opinion of Hewlett-Backward isn't what it used to be, and I don't think we'll be buying anymore DeskJam printers or DesignJam plotters, as they are no longer honoring the terms of the service contracts they sold us. Any escalating replies should be mailed to me privately... Regards, -dq > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:35 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: HP & Compaq > > > So what's everyone think about the newest merger, between HP > and Compaq? > > Jeff > -- > Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File > http://www.cchaven.com > http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 >

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HP & Compaq

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Which technology was that??? > > The last time I remember DEC inventing anything fairly current was when they > came up with the VAX. That was 25 years ago. Everything they sold was the > OLDEST technology they could get and still foist of on the unwary buyer. They'd > NEVER have used anything as up-to-date as what Intel pushes, not that it's the > latest-greatest. The Alpha is still superior to the IA64. What other operating system has the same clustering capabilities as OpenVMS (or better)? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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HP & Compaq

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 4, Richard Erlacher wrote: > The last time I remember DEC inventing anything fairly current was when they > came up with the VAX. That was 25 years ago. Everything they sold was the > OLDEST technology they could get and still foist of on the unwary buyer. They'd > NEVER have used anything as up-to-date as what Intel pushes, not that it's the > latest-greatest. Troll alert. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> It's IEC 320, which is in several parts; you probably want Sheets C13, C14, > C19 and C20. >...(much useful information deleted)... Thanks, Pete. With this information I can get the proper cable. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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terminal inventiveness (was Re: an odd question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Fairly early examples are: > > 2/70 TEC inc. model 410/415, 420/425, 430/435 > > 4/70 Applied Digital Data Systems (ADDS) Consul 920 My old friend Ray Borrill's first company... > 5/70 Univac Uniscope 100 > > 10/70 Hazeltine 2000 Ah, one of my favorites, used magnetic core for the memory; however, it would usually lose a byte or two on either powering down or back on again... -dq

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Nixdorf PC 05 / 8150.00

by pricomu＠compuserve.de

Is there anyone out there - who has a manual for that maschine or - who knows how to connect this maschine to an IBM- compatible XT or AT with the cable which was supplied with the PC 05 as there is no possibility to run other programs than those on the integrated modules (my provide HHC_BASIC vsn 1.3; CALCULATOR and CLOCK) or - who has any other information concerning the maschine? Tom

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 4, 17:17, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > > > the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > > > American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > > > plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > > > the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? > > > Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> wrote: > > Here is a copy of a message I sent on 7/22/2001 about this: > > > > They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined > > by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current > > version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX > > chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think > > but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement > > but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're > > found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI > > Challenge-L systems for example. > > Dave, do you happen to have the IEC spec number? It's IEC 320, which is in several parts; you probably want Sheets C13, C14, C19 and C20. I should point out that the current ratings used in the United States are different for those used in Europe. Also that the current rating depends on the type of cable, not just the connector. Many of the power cords built to the spec are rated at 5A or 6A (6A was the original spec for the common IEC 320 *connector* but it was uprated a few years ago) because the *cable* in them is only rated for that much. The ordinary connectors are rated for use at temperatures up to 65 Celcius, and are sometimes called "cold condition" connectors. The version with the notch (keyway) is called a "hot condition" connector, and in Europe it's still only rated for 10A. However, hot condition connectors are made of materials able to stand a higher temperature and are used for things like electric kettles. They're rated for operation at up to 120 Celcius. In the States the connector is rated for 16A (again, assuming the cable itself is rated that high). The original intent was not to provide a higher current rating but a higher operating temperature. It just so happens that things that get hot (kettles) tend to use a lot of current to do so :-) The third version has the three pins all parallel in the same horizontal plane (ie, 90 degrees around from the others), and is slightly larger. It's rated at 16A in Europe (and for 20A in the States, I believe) but only up to 65 Celcius. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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CoCo Xpndr1 (was: RE: Keep or assemble???

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: > It sounds like you would get more enjoyment out of building & using >it, rather that letting it sit and collect dust. If you're toying with >building it, I would say go for it, but keep all the packing and paperwork, >too. That helps increase the 'value'. > >I think it all depends on whether you plan on selling it, or keeping it. I >would definitely build & use it. [snippage, fore and aft...] I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the "reproducability" would be decreased once the kit is built... i.e. you can't [easily] scan the boards, or re-design them in AutoCad, etc... With this in mind, I was digging thru an old box of CoCo stuff I have and I came across (2) Xpndr1 expansion cards, 1 of which is virgin. A quick search of Google shows nothing about them... I've started re-designing the card in AutoCad (as if I didn't have *enough* projects ;-) with improvements. Some are minor, like putting the signal names on the top of the card instead of the bottom (so it's easier to see the signal names when I attach a small breadboard to the top of the card...) some are major (or going to be) like the extra room for standoffs so it'll be self-supporting, and also connector ports for both a "PC hard drive power port" and a "PC floppy drive power port" so you can power the thing from any PC power supply *or* an FD-50x power supply. I also plan on having one that buffers all of the data, address & major signal lines on the board, so that experimenting might be easier without blowing the entire CoCo bus. Which leads to my questions: A) Anybody know anything about the company that marketed these, as I don't want to intentionally break any copyright laws; but with no info on the internet & the extreme possibility of the company no longer existing, does anyone think I'll be in trouble with the law WRT copyright laws? I'm mainly just using the original as a pattern for (1) the signal names & pinouts, and (2) the dimensions of the connectors & pins (I didn't have anything else that had the ground pegs on either side of the connector). B) I can prolly find this out for myself, but there are many others here better than me on the hardware side of things: What would be some of the better [a.k.a more useful] buffer chips I could use to buffer the address & data busses? C) Are there any *real* problems with powering the card from a separate power supply? I'm assuming I need to tie the grounds together, but I wouldn't want the +5 / +12 / -12 volt rails tied at all -- they should be separate, right? [[no, I really don't feel like dissecting my MPI just yet... altho I think it's the *only* piece of computer equipment I've never taken apart! ]] Should I check the voltage levels of the power supply & the CoCo to see how close they are, or as long as they're both within TTL levels is it OK? I'm mainly worried about the PC supply being of a higher voltage than the CoCo, if that'll cause problems. =-=-=-=- The designs (when they get closer to completion) I will have on my website for free, but if I make several cards and someone else is dumb^H^H^H^H bold enough to purchase one I would sell them for a small profit... Anywho, thanks for listening, and double-thanks for any advice that others might be willing to offer... ;-) Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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HP & Compaq

by arthur.clark3＠verizon.net

I'll second that. There was a time when I thought HP was a great company making great products. Although they still make some excellent high-end computers, their home and office desktops and laptops are horrible. I have never dealt with a single HP computer that worked right. Their outstanding lead in the printer business is a thing of the past. There are now many companies making printers just as good, for a hell of a lot less money. Occasionally I see Circuit City or another retailer running a contest in which the prize is a HP computer. My remark is always "Second prize is _two_ HP computers." OTOH, all of the Compaq computers that I have dealt with have been trouble free. I think their maintenance HDD partition and peripheral BIOS/peripheral management is great. About the only thing that I don't like is their extremely proprietary design. That's fine on enterprise servers. It's inexcusable on a business desktop that someone actually has to support in a small business environment. Arthur Clark At 11:45 AM 9/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >After swallowing DEC, I'm glad to see COMPAQ get swallowed. > >But my opinion of Hewlett-Backward isn't what it used to be, >and I don't think we'll be buying anymore DeskJam printers >or DesignJam plotters, as they are no longer honoring the >terms of the service contracts they sold us. > >Any escalating replies should be mailed to me privately... > >Regards, >-dq > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Hellige [mailto:jhellige@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:35 AM > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: HP & Compaq > > > > > > So what's everyone think about the newest merger, between HP > > and Compaq? > > > > Jeff > > -- > > Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File > > http://www.cchaven.com > > http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 > >

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HP buying Compaq

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: McManis, Charles <Charles.McManis(a)netapp.com> >Of course Microsoft loses big because their two biggest licensees for Wince are consolidating into one licensee. Sometimes the dragon wins... It's nice to see the black knight's lance being used for a toothpick. ;) Allison

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