test-drb August 2001

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Blanket insults for one's peer group, was Re: VCF East makes The Economist

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@smart.net] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:34 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Blanket insults for one's peer group, was Re: VCF East > makes The Economist > > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: [..Dave's comments snipped...] > Agreed. When some miniscule-brained nitwit insults all of us who > appreciate well-designed computer systems, and who appreciate a > variety of different systems, and then defends a biz-'driod propaganda > sheet and that glorified example of bug-filled code called Microsoft > Windows that was originally designed to run on poorly engineered > hardware, then it's time to do take action. Heh, what he doesn't know > is when to expect that action (1 day or 5 years from now), or what it > will be... and even funnier, he probably thinks this is a bluff. Dang. Thanks to someone's screwed up message quoting, I quoted Dave and thought he was quoting you, so you'll see a message briefly in which I attribute to you remarks you appear not to have made. Sorry! My message isn't bad, but I don't like things attributed to me that I didn't say, regardless of the remarks or context, so I'd expect you might feel likewise. Again, sorry, but I think you'll be more amused by the post than anything else... Regards, -doug quebbeman

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PDP-11/23 PLUS and FDF11 option

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 5, SP wrote: > I saw the board was sold :-( Eeek, sorry, that was me... > But, thinking about purchase one if the occassion is present... > How exactly could be done the connection ? We have the M8189 > and the M8188. Where or how is connected one board with the > other ? The FPF11 has jumpers along the bottom which determine which backplane pins it uses for power and ground. These allow it to be plugged into either a Qbus or a Unibus backplane, for use with a pdp11/23 or a pdp11/24. As far as I recall, it uses no signals from the backplane...only power and ground. It connects to the processor via a 40-pin flat ribbon cable which terminates in a 40-pin DIP header. This header plus into one of the MICROM sockets, where one would normally plug in the floating point microcode ROM chip. It should work with any F11-based system. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

24 years, 1 month

PDP-11/23 PLUS and FDF11 option

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 5, Tony Duell wrote: > > The FPF11 has jumpers along the bottom which determine which backplane > > pins it uses for power and ground. These allow it to be plugged into > > either a Qbus or a Unibus backplane, for use with a pdp11/23 or a > > Actually, +5V and ground are on the same pins on Unibus and Qbus slots. > The jumpers on the FPF11 determine which pins on the bus will be shorted > together, thus giving either a Unibus style grant continuity or a Qbus one. Ahh, I stand corrected. I need ECC in my brain. I thought those were for power. > I'd like to see you fit one in a Pro350, though :-) (you did say any > F11-based system). But actually, if you could power it somehow, I think it > would work with the Pro. I thought of exactly that when I typed it...and I'm considering trying it! :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

24 years, 1 month

FS: DZV11's (M7957) w/ cab kits

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Found some more boards that are of no use to me, for the price of dropping them off USPS priority ($7.50) you too can own a DZV11, the original four port serial card for the Q-bus. They come with a 40 pin ribbon cable and the 4 port DB25 bulkhead. (you can also use these bulkheads on the DHV11s and others. Why would you want one? Perhaps to create a period accurate PDP-11/03 or PDP-11/23. Or perhaps to experiment with Qbus serial cards. Why don't I want them? I've got a dozen DHV11's (8 ports) that are just as useful and twice as dense). They are quad width cards. Work well in the BA11 chassis and they are old enough that even Ultrix 1.2 knows how to talk to them. You do _not_ want to put them in a high speed VAX (like anything faster than a MicroVAX 3500). Max serial speed is 9600 baud. So they aren't particularly fast either. --Chuck

24 years, 1 month

A few more Apple ][ cards

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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24 years, 1 month

Collections vs. accumulations, was Re: How many collectors?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I am now looking into some of the offspring of convergence > and hunting down the embedded machines. > Does anyone know what sort of machine is in the car's > onboard controller? A few pictures I've found make them > look like PC104's. These machines are hitting zero value > quickly and may not last 10 years unless picked up now. What car? They don't all use the same controllers, you know... -dq

24 years, 1 month

SunOS (er... Solaris)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Yes. By leaps and bounds. -Dave McGuire On August 6, Master of all that Sucks wrote: > > NetBSD/sparc and NetBSD/sparc64 are even better. > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, wanderer wrote: > > > Dan Wright wrote: > > > > snip > > > As far as I know, Solaris 7 was the last OS to support the sun4c architecture > > > (ss2, IPX, IPC, ELC, etc). Solaris 8 will run on sun4m machines (5, 10, > > > 20...most (all?) machines with mbus processors + the sparc5 and a > > snip > > > > S8 will run on sun4m (LX, ZX, SS5, SS10, SS20 ) & sun4u (Ultra's, > > blade's, Ex500 & Ex800 ) architectures. > > > > BTW, Redhad does (did?) have Linux for Sparc, performance is not bad > > at all. > > > > Ed > > > > -- > > The Wanderer | Politici zijn gore oplichters. > > quapla(a)xs4all.nl | Europarlementariers: zakkenvullers > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~quapla | en neuspeuteraars. > > Unix Lives! M$ Windows is rommel! | Kilometerheffing : De overheid > > '97 TL1000S | weet waar je bent geweest! > > -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

24 years, 1 month

My other computer is a Cray!

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> There was a T-shirt that sold on ebay recently that says: > "My other computer is a Cray"..;) Strangely enough, Apple did have > some deal with Cray to offer Macs as front ends to Crays... > > Heinz Why is this so strange? I've seen Mac's used as intelligent terminals on a Honeywell DPS-8 Mainframe, and I use one as the front-end to my OpenVMS cluster. Zane

24 years, 1 month

SunOS (er... Solaris)

by mjsnodgr＠rockwellcollins.com

I realise that this isn't the answer you were looking for, but FYI the Solaris 8 ISOs for Sparc and x86 are available for free from Sun. (Alternatively you can pay an $80 "media fee" to Sun and they'll ship you the CDs WITH pretty lables <grin> and some printed material.) - M.S. George Lewis <schvin(a)schvin.net>@classiccmp.org on 08/02/2001 09:34:16 PM Please respond to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org cc: Subject: SunOS Hello all, I've tried checking ebay every once in awhile for SunOS media, and the best I've found is the occasional box of documentation or whatever, but no media. I was not blessed with my very own unix machines until after Solaris had come to be popular, but I'd like very much to put SunOS on some of my sparcs now, just for grins. Does anyone know where one could pick up some SunOS media? I'm kind of hoping that there is a school or corporation that has a bunch sitting in a cabinet, or am I just pushing my luck, and most likely they've been tossed by unknowing or uncaring personnel? Or does one just have to get lucky and find someone with an extra set lying around? Thanks! George -- http://schvin.net/

24 years, 1 month

Free: DEC/VMS "Orange Wall"

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got an "Orange Wall" of VMS 4.x-era documentation free for pickup in Austin, Texas. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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