test-drb June 2001

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/28/01 7:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp1667.monmouth.com writes: << > Bill Pechter skrev: > > >I'd liked a cross between OS/2 and VAX/VMS... maybe with FreeBSD > >thrown in. > > Isn't that Windows NT? Not if you have to use the GUI to admin it and reboot to change network addresses. > > >Always liked OS/2 and always will. IBM was screwed by M$ who kept > >changing Win32 and keeping new apps from running on OS/2. > > So what? OS/2 is OS/2 and Windows is Windows. You can't just rely on some > other OS vendor to supply you with the right API and applications. > > But M$ promised if you code to Win32S it would be portable to OS/2, > Win3.1 and Win95/NT and kept changing the DLLs to break it. .The only problem in OS/2 was if the Workplace Shell threads blocked and >locked up you'd lose the desktop... but all the server services >like network kept going. >Getting a prompt and login from Telnet was possible on OS/2 when it >wasn't standard in NT. >The ftp and telnet servers made OS/2 pretty compatible to >FreeBSD/Linux/Unix in what it could do on a lan. >> OS/2 v.3 had a single input queue which caused the problem where the desktop would not respond but the system will still chug along just fine. If you had a multithreaded foreground app that quit working, sometimes there was no way to break of it. Supposedly that was fixed in Warp 4 but i've still had it quit on me. Installing that program called Watchcat has saved me several times from rebooting. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

23 years, 5 months

Free Thinking Machines CM-5

by aw288＠osfn.org

Well, one cabinet of a CM-5. Stripped, too. Basically, it is somewhat like three standard 19" racks welded together. About 7 feet tall. Heavy as sin. No skins. Interesting provenence - it was one of the two machines used in Jurrasic Park. The blinkenlights panels will be removed to populate (and the extras to pay for) another CM-5. Located in either Providence, RI (if you pick it up *really* soon), or Carmel, NY. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

23 years, 5 months

New finds at a school auction

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Wednesday of this week I went to a school auction and came away 3 new in the box Apple II WorkStation cards, apple number A2B2088 dated 1987. Two are still sealed and the one that had been open had Ramworks III card by Applied Engineering inside also. I had to watch them pass (for no bidders) on 100's of Apple II's, apple floppy drive, apple monitors, some TRS80 model III's, pc stuff. I do not have the room to store all the stuff that they will be trashing. You could buy a lot for $1 (sometimes the lot would have over 100 items in it), the prices were right but just too much stuff.

23 years, 5 months

'Good' versions of VMS

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

So now that OpenVMS 7.3 for VAX is out I'm hoping that the Montagar folks will do an updated VMS Media disk. If anyone has any contacts with the group that does that I would really like to help out. I'm pretty sure that we could build a pretty painless and much better organized disk than the 7.2 disk is. But that isn't really the point of this message. The point was made on a previous note about a ConDist set that it had VMS 6.0 which wasn't a "good" version of VMS because it was fairly buggy. That made me wonder if we could come to a concensus on what "good" VMS releases were out there? I happen to like VMS 5.5-2H4 which was, I believe, the last release in the 5.x line and thus pretty darn stable. It runs on pretty much every VAX and uses the "Modern" license management facility that the Hobbyiest licenses conform to. There is also a lot of software that runs on "5.5 and above" so that is good too. Finally its the last release that calls itself VAX VMS (rather than OpenVMS) which gives it a wonderful classic like feel. Then there is VMS 6.x, of which I've got images for 6.1 and 6.2 (no 6.0 but I opted to pass on the ConDist as well). Is there a release after 6.2 that sits between it and the 7.x release? Given the shortness between 7.0 and 7.1 I'm going to guess that 7.0 had some serious issues and 7.2 which is running on the VLC cluster seems quite stable. (using a patched UCX). Thoughts? What was the best V4.x release? V3? Does anyone have VMS 1.x and if so what processors does it support? As I recall on the 780 at school it looked a _lot_ like RSX-11M+ :-) --Chuck

23 years, 5 months

Whats a reasonable collection?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> Nope. Zorro I has 100 pins, just like Zorro II. The difference is that > the cards are nearly 12" x 12", not PC/ISA shaped. They didn't last long. > The only expansion box I ever saw that used them, lay flat on top of the > A1000, under the monitor, and provided two slots. I don't know if anyone > ever made any Zorro I cards other than FAST RAM. > The 86 pin connector is labeled Zorro on the RevA A500 schematics (the hand drawn ones) and a Zorro to Zorro II expansion circuit for up to 6 true ZII slots is there as well. There is no mention of any 12" x 12" form factor boards in any of the C= technical refs. I have for all the OCS/ECS machines up to A3000(T) Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

23 years, 5 months

fun with Standalone Backup

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

So a bit of additional 'lore' which is probably obvious to a zillion VMS admins but was news to me. One can create a standalone backup tape that is both bootable into standalone backup, and has the system image on it. I did it as follows: 1) INIT the tape with label SYSTEM 2) @SYS$SYSTEM:STABACKIT Select MUA0 as the device Tell it _not_ to re-initialize. 3) Now boot this tape and at the prompt use BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY DUA0: MUA0:MYBACKUP.B/SAVE/LABEL=SYSTEM Now go away for a while :-) Once its done you can boot the tape and restore with BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY MUA0:MYBACKUP.B/SAVE/LABEL=SYSTEM DUA0: This saves me from having to change tapes in the process. On an unrelated note, I've got a Dataram MS650 board (MicroVAX III memory) and when it is installed it takes a _longish_ time to past the initialzation tests and standalone backup appears to hang when run. Has anyone seen this? Is this perhaps a bad memory chip that is being constantly repaired by the ECC logic... --Chuck

23 years, 5 months

preserving / ressurecting old docs?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> > Scanning printed material much above 150dpi is usually a waste > > as most printing is done at about 70dpi. > > What are you smoking, and is there enough for the rest of us? > We're talking old manuals here. Remember? OLD manuals. > 600 Dpi with resolution enhancement is very old technology > for laserprinters > Nobody, commercially, makes books on laserprinters. > If you can manage it, i would say scan at 600 Dpi. > Waste of time, effort and storage space. > scanning at 1/2 the target printer resolution is probably > the best you can hope for. > Scanning at just over twice the source resolution is the best you will ever get. More than that's a waste. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

23 years, 5 months

commodore 2500 in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Wandering through the computer surplus I came across a commodore 2500 dumped in a box. I can't tell if it's complete. It was unusual enough for me to notice. Does anybody want it? I can make an offer for you and then ship it to you. There was a commodore 2000 manual next to it. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

23 years, 5 months

MS-DOS version (was: What's best to do?? classically speaking

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

large disk support?? dos has supported partitions over 32meg since at least 3.3 hasnt it? I think version 6 had Antivirus support and dos 5 was the last version you could install on a set of floppies (or at least the setup program would let you) In a message dated 6/22/01 12:37:07 PM Central Daylight Time, RCini(a)congressfinancial.com writes: << DOS5 == DOS6 differences: SmartDrive disk cache Boot menus "Large disk" support in FDISK Drive compression That's what I can come up with without looking. How far off am I? >>

23 years, 5 months

'Good' versions of VMS

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> >> How is the lack of V7.2-1 a problem? There's nothing it can do that >> V7.2-1H1 can't. > >From a Hobbyist standpoint it's not. However, if I understand things >correctly it's only *supported* on a very narrow list of hardware. Of >course any commercial shop probably had their V7.2-1 CD's long before >V7.2-1H1 came out. > > Zane V7.2 is quite old, around 3 years maybe more. Also one must remember/recognize "DEC" supported means they will answer questions or fix it. Unsupported divers abound in even 7.2 for older hardware. >From my perspective any version newer than 5.2 is good save for the standard ".0" releases as they will be buggy. Allison

23 years, 5 months

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test-drb June 2001