Hello,
Multiple apologies in advance: The peripherals are generally
on-topic (and I think that's where my problem is), but the primary unit
under investigation, the VAX, isn't until next year. Also, please forgive
the long post. Finally, I'm in digest mode, so I'll respond slowly unless
you cc me at mtapley(a)swri.edu .
I'm trying to load OpenVMS Hobbyist (at last!) onto a VaxStation
4000 VLC. A lot is working, but something isn't. Here's what I have:
VaxStation 4000 VLC
16 M Ram
RZ26-L (1Gig) hard drive, no jumpers on terminator block, SCSI ID 1.
S3 in up position
Rainbow 100A, running Kermit on MS-DOS 3.11b, 9600/8/n/1
Offset-snap RJ11 DEC serial console cable, from VAX console connector to
adaptor to DB25 at Rainbow COMM port
50pin M-M Centronics-type (off-brand) SCSI cable
AppleCD 300 external (caddy-load) (can you see trouble coming right here?)
SCSI ID = 2
External SCSI terminator.
The SCSI is, if I'm correctly reading what RZ26 docs I have, terminated at
the RZ26 and at the CD drive. (I know, this is not both "ends" of the
cable. The RZ-26 is within about 10 cm. of the computer end of the cable.)
I've tried the terminator-block jumper in all three positions (off, on one
pair, on the other pair) on the RZ26, same results. I've also tried with
and without the external terminator on the CD, same results.
When I turn everything else on, load the CD caddy with the DEC Hobbyist VMS
CD in place, then turn on the VAX, I see on the Rainbow (edited from the
Kermit session log, esc/other special characters dealt with harshly by my
text editor and me):
KA48-A V1.3-343-V4.0
08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A
16MB
|xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx|
?? 010 2 LCG 0086
?? 001 9 NI 0172
?? 121 10 SCSI 0034
>>>
uh-oh. I'm *hoping* the LCG line means no monitor attached to the VAX
graphics board (true, also no keyboard or mouse - yet), and the NI line
means I'm not connected to a network (also true, so far). Anybody with a
4000 VLC owners' manual? The SCSI line worries me. (When I boot without the
CD drive attached, or with the CD drive turned off, it does not appear.) If
I then do SHOW CONFIG I see:
KA48-A V1.3-343-V4.0
08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A
16MB
DEVNBR DEVNAM INFO
------ -------- --------------------------
1 NVR OK
2 LCG ?? 010 0086
HR - 8 PLN FB - V1.2
3 DZ OK
4 CACHE OK
5 MEM OK
16MB = S0/1=8MB, S2/3=8MB, S4/5=0MB
6 FPU OK
7 IT OK
8 SYS OK
9 NI ?? 001 0172
10 SCSI ?? 121 0034
1-RZ26L 2-CD-ROM 6-INITR
11 AUD OK
>>>
The SCSI system has correctly identified the addresses and types of the two
drives on it - but still shows ??'s. (I can change the address at which
INITR appears, using the SET SCSI command. No effect that I've noticed.
Things were wierd when the CD-ROM SCSI ID and INITR were both set to 6.)
If I then do SHOW DEV, the RZ26 spins up, starts clicking and clacking, and
I see:
VMS/VMB ADDR DEVTYPE NUMBYTES RM/FX WP DEVNAM REV
------- ---- ------- -------- ----- -- ------ ---
ESA0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A
?33 UNXINT
010 00000002 041F0000
and the system seems to stop there. I can <BREAK> out back to the >>>
prompt, but never get the info for either the RZ26 or the CD drive. (With
no CD drive, I do see info (correct, as far as I can tell) for the RZ26.) I
can repeat SHOW DEV and SHOW CONFIG with the same results. If I then enter
BOOT DKA200 I see:
?02 EXT HLT
PC= 2004ACA4 PSL= 041F0000
and that's about as far as it goes. I can still <BREAK> back to the prompt.
*However*, if I shut down the VAX, Start back up, and at the first prompt,
enter boot dka200 , the CD active light goes on and flickers as though
it were being accessed, and the Rainbow shows:
-DKA200
%SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk
%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk
%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System Disk
OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X72T Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM)
I enter 26-JUN-2001 and see:
Configuring devices . . .
Available device DKA100: device type RZ26L
Available device DKA200: device type SONY CD-ROM
CDU-8
%BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is 26-JUN-2001 00:00:56.16
$
Up to here it matches pretty well with what the docs for the Hobbyist CD
indicate. I enter BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA100: and see:
%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline. Mount verification in progress.
and that's all I see, at least for as long as I've had patience to watch.
The CD active light is off from then on. When my patience runs out, I hit
<Break> on the Rainbow, get a >>> prompt, and do SHOW DEV (same result as
above), <Break>, SHOW CONFIG (same as above), and then SHOW DEV and I see:
VMS/VMB ADDR DEVTYPE NUMBYTES RM/FX WP DEVNAM REV
------- ---- ------- -------- ----- -- ------ ---
ESA0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A
DKA100 A/1/0 DISK 1.05GB FX RZ26L
441T
DKA200 A/2/0 RODISK 681.57MB RM WP CD-ROM
1.9a
A/2/7
A/2/7
A/2/7
A/2/7
..HostID.. A/6 INITR
Now the SCSI system has identified the CD drive as a SONY and correctly
read data from the CD (else how did it know that it was trying to load
OpenVMS 7.2?)! Yet something is still, to quote the bard, "rotten in
Denmark". I can't get (haven't gotten?) through the install sequence any
farther than the accursed %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER.
Out of decorum, I suppose I should say WITW? (What in the World?) but
stronger language is what I have in mind.
Clues would be well appreciated.
I have not tried disassembling the SCSI drive - it seems to work OK with
the NeXT, and with Macs (PB3400, Plus). I could do that, though.
Help? In the absence of any clues, I'll probably take apart the CD300 to
see if I can spot anything obviously misjumpered, then start hunting for a
real DEC external CD drive.
- Mark
> >Not everyone in the house needs a PC; I think I'm
> >more happy with one PC in a central room where I can
>
> Hmmm, I was thinking of cutting down to about 50 computers, about half
> networked and the other half as curiousities or spares. I have six areas
> that each need a working mac and pc, (5) main servers each running
> something different (Linux, NT, OS2, AppleShare (one 3.0.4 to boot IIgs
> systems, and one running a newer IP version)), fun servers HP/ux on some
> Apollo's, various on older macs and PCs), dedicated systems (scanner,
> couple phone things, (2) CDR burners), various old systems running old
> software. I want to have as many different kinds of segments on my network
> as I can manage, which means running a model 95 OS/2 system to bridge
> between 10bt and tokenring on twinax.
To round out that heterogeny, you need a set of Thomas-Conrad ARCNet
cards (unless you can find 20Mbps-Datapoint cards), a passive hub,
and a serial-port-based Token-ring network that uses software written
in Russia. The Russian software lets you host drives that are actually
shares from other machines!
You'll want to use a Mac to bridge Ethernet to Localtalk, if you
can find the software...
What else?
-dq
>
> I love microchannel equipment. 8-)
>
Not many know this, but Chuck Peddle, who designed MCA, also
gave it legs to run up to 100MHz. However, I don't think IBM
ever implemented an MAC bus at that speed.
Regards,
-doug q
My name is Mel and I just found this list.
I am currently trying to get a couple of pen plotters working. The first is
a sweet pea six shooter. It runs the self test fine but I don't have the
manual for it. I need to know about any cabling issues. The other is a
mannesmann tally pixy 3 I have the manual for this one but it says nothing
about the driver for it.
Thanks for any help.
Mel
> > I want to have as many different kinds of segments on my network
> > as I can manage, which means running a model 95 OS/2 system to bridge
> > between 10bt and tokenring on twinax.
>
> To round out that heterogeny, you need a set of Thomas-Conrad ARCNet
> cards (unless you can find 20Mbps-Datapoint cards), a passive hub,
> and a serial-port-based Token-ring network that uses software written
> in Russia. The Russian software lets you host drives that are actually
> shares from other machines!
>
> You'll want to use a Mac to bridge Ethernet to Localtalk, if you
> can find the software...
>
> What else?
>
> -dq
How about bisync or SNA? At one place, we used to have a VAX HASP point-to-
point network for file transfer (it's easy when you don't have to buy the
hardware or software).
DEC used to make an ethernet to SNA gateway based on the uVAXII, didn't they?
-ethan
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I have a board that describes itself as:
VERSATEC
LSI 11 DIFF INTF
22 BIT ADDRESS
G10-024898-
I believe it is an interface to some sort of hard copy device. If
anyone wants it, it is theirs for the price of shipping.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
=== ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk 26/06/2001 20:58:26 ===
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:40:44 +0100 (BST) Tony Duell
>> Tony, any sign of a secondhand chain called Cash Converters
>> in the London area? The big Bristol branch has closed, but
>
>Cash Converters were still going a couple of weeks back, so unless
>they've closed very recently they are still trading.
Cash Converters is a franchised operation.
>But their prices
>tend to be out-of-this-world (No, I don't think a battered C64 is worth
>50 quid, OK...). I think I've found exactly one bargain in that chain
>over the years.
A lot depends upon how clued up the individual store is, and how much of a particular type of equipment is being sold in the area.
>They may be the only shop where you will find classic computers, though.
If you find anything other than consoles, or the occasional PsionII I'd be very surprised.
Alistair
I believe there is an x-ray machine in my ex-girlfriends' parents' garage..
I need to get the rest of my Wang out of her garage anyways, so I can check
if you want...
Will J
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I just came across at the local computer surplus a pair of DEC DEREP's.
Some kind of network repeater. I also saw two VS240-B boxes. I haven't
found the monitor. Anybody want me to pick them up.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
