test-drb June 2001

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Slightly OT: Help? Apple CD 300 and VAX 4000 VLC

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Hello, Multiple apologies in advance: The peripherals are generally on-topic (and I think that's where my problem is), but the primary unit under investigation, the VAX, isn't until next year. Also, please forgive the long post. Finally, I'm in digest mode, so I'll respond slowly unless you cc me at mtapley(a)swri.edu . I'm trying to load OpenVMS Hobbyist (at last!) onto a VaxStation 4000 VLC. A lot is working, but something isn't. Here's what I have: VaxStation 4000 VLC 16 M Ram RZ26-L (1Gig) hard drive, no jumpers on terminator block, SCSI ID 1. S3 in up position Rainbow 100A, running Kermit on MS-DOS 3.11b, 9600/8/n/1 Offset-snap RJ11 DEC serial console cable, from VAX console connector to adaptor to DB25 at Rainbow COMM port 50pin M-M Centronics-type (off-brand) SCSI cable AppleCD 300 external (caddy-load) (can you see trouble coming right here?) SCSI ID = 2 External SCSI terminator. The SCSI is, if I'm correctly reading what RZ26 docs I have, terminated at the RZ26 and at the CD drive. (I know, this is not both "ends" of the cable. The RZ-26 is within about 10 cm. of the computer end of the cable.) I've tried the terminator-block jumper in all three positions (off, on one pair, on the other pair) on the RZ26, same results. I've also tried with and without the external terminator on the CD, same results. When I turn everything else on, load the CD caddy with the DEC Hobbyist VMS CD in place, then turn on the VAX, I see on the Rainbow (edited from the Kermit session log, esc/other special characters dealt with harshly by my text editor and me): KA48-A V1.3-343-V4.0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A 16MB |xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx| ?? 010 2 LCG 0086 ?? 001 9 NI 0172 ?? 121 10 SCSI 0034 >>> uh-oh. I'm *hoping* the LCG line means no monitor attached to the VAX graphics board (true, also no keyboard or mouse - yet), and the NI line means I'm not connected to a network (also true, so far). Anybody with a 4000 VLC owners' manual? The SCSI line worries me. (When I boot without the CD drive attached, or with the CD drive turned off, it does not appear.) If I then do SHOW CONFIG I see: KA48-A V1.3-343-V4.0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A 16MB DEVNBR DEVNAM INFO ------ -------- -------------------------- 1 NVR OK 2 LCG ?? 010 0086 HR - 8 PLN FB - V1.2 3 DZ OK 4 CACHE OK 5 MEM OK 16MB = S0/1=8MB, S2/3=8MB, S4/5=0MB 6 FPU OK 7 IT OK 8 SYS OK 9 NI ?? 001 0172 10 SCSI ?? 121 0034 1-RZ26L 2-CD-ROM 6-INITR 11 AUD OK >>> The SCSI system has correctly identified the addresses and types of the two drives on it - but still shows ??'s. (I can change the address at which INITR appears, using the SET SCSI command. No effect that I've noticed. Things were wierd when the CD-ROM SCSI ID and INITR were both set to 6.) If I then do SHOW DEV, the RZ26 spins up, starts clicking and clacking, and I see: VMS/VMB ADDR DEVTYPE NUMBYTES RM/FX WP DEVNAM REV ------- ---- ------- -------- ----- -- ------ --- ESA0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A ?33 UNXINT 010 00000002 041F0000 and the system seems to stop there. I can <BREAK> out back to the >>> prompt, but never get the info for either the RZ26 or the CD drive. (With no CD drive, I do see info (correct, as far as I can tell) for the RZ26.) I can repeat SHOW DEV and SHOW CONFIG with the same results. If I then enter BOOT DKA200 I see: ?02 EXT HLT PC= 2004ACA4 PSL= 041F0000 and that's about as far as it goes. I can still <BREAK> back to the prompt. *However*, if I shut down the VAX, Start back up, and at the first prompt, enter boot dka200 , the CD active light goes on and flickers as though it were being accessed, and the Rainbow shows: -DKA200 %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System Disk OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X72T Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0 PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) I enter 26-JUN-2001 and see: Configuring devices . . . Available device DKA100: device type RZ26L Available device DKA200: device type SONY CD-ROM CDU-8 %BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is 26-JUN-2001 00:00:56.16 $ Up to here it matches pretty well with what the docs for the Hobbyist CD indicate. I enter BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA100: and see: %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline. Mount verification in progress. and that's all I see, at least for as long as I've had patience to watch. The CD active light is off from then on. When my patience runs out, I hit <Break> on the Rainbow, get a >>> prompt, and do SHOW DEV (same result as above), <Break>, SHOW CONFIG (same as above), and then SHOW DEV and I see: VMS/VMB ADDR DEVTYPE NUMBYTES RM/FX WP DEVNAM REV ------- ---- ------- -------- ----- -- ------ --- ESA0 08-00-2B-2A-D7-1A DKA100 A/1/0 DISK 1.05GB FX RZ26L 441T DKA200 A/2/0 RODISK 681.57MB RM WP CD-ROM 1.9a A/2/7 A/2/7 A/2/7 A/2/7 ..HostID.. A/6 INITR Now the SCSI system has identified the CD drive as a SONY and correctly read data from the CD (else how did it know that it was trying to load OpenVMS 7.2?)! Yet something is still, to quote the bard, "rotten in Denmark". I can't get (haven't gotten?) through the install sequence any farther than the accursed %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER. Out of decorum, I suppose I should say WITW? (What in the World?) but stronger language is what I have in mind. Clues would be well appreciated. I have not tried disassembling the SCSI drive - it seems to work OK with the NeXT, and with Macs (PB3400, Plus). I could do that, though. Help? In the absence of any clues, I'll probably take apart the CD300 to see if I can spot anything obviously misjumpered, then start hunting for a real DEC external CD drive. - Mark

22 years, 11 months

FW: Whats a reasonable collection?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Not everyone in the house needs a PC; I think I'm > >more happy with one PC in a central room where I can > > Hmmm, I was thinking of cutting down to about 50 computers, about half > networked and the other half as curiousities or spares. I have six areas > that each need a working mac and pc, (5) main servers each running > something different (Linux, NT, OS2, AppleShare (one 3.0.4 to boot IIgs > systems, and one running a newer IP version)), fun servers HP/ux on some > Apollo's, various on older macs and PCs), dedicated systems (scanner, > couple phone things, (2) CDR burners), various old systems running old > software. I want to have as many different kinds of segments on my network > as I can manage, which means running a model 95 OS/2 system to bridge > between 10bt and tokenring on twinax. To round out that heterogeny, you need a set of Thomas-Conrad ARCNet cards (unless you can find 20Mbps-Datapoint cards), a passive hub, and a serial-port-based Token-ring network that uses software written in Russia. The Russian software lets you host drives that are actually shares from other machines! You'll want to use a Mac to bridge Ethernet to Localtalk, if you can find the software... What else? -dq

22 years, 11 months

Jetform Central 5.0

by janet.meyer＠angelo.edu

Thought someone working with HP/UX would be interested.

22 years, 11 months

Whats a reasonable collection?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I love microchannel equipment. 8-) > Not many know this, but Chuck Peddle, who designed MCA, also gave it legs to run up to 100MHz. However, I don't think IBM ever implemented an MAC bus at that speed. Regards, -doug q

22 years, 11 months

Intro and plotter question.

by melvin.williams＠varian.com

My name is Mel and I just found this list. I am currently trying to get a couple of pen plotters working. The first is a sweet pea six shooter. It runs the self test fine but I don't have the manual for it. I need to know about any cabling issues. The other is a mannesmann tally pixy 3 I have the manual for this one but it says nothing about the driver for it. Thanks for any help. Mel

22 years, 11 months

FW: Whats a reasonable collection?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

> > I want to have as many different kinds of segments on my network > > as I can manage, which means running a model 95 OS/2 system to bridge > > between 10bt and tokenring on twinax. > > To round out that heterogeny, you need a set of Thomas-Conrad ARCNet > cards (unless you can find 20Mbps-Datapoint cards), a passive hub, > and a serial-port-based Token-ring network that uses software written > in Russia. The Russian software lets you host drives that are actually > shares from other machines! > > You'll want to use a Mac to bridge Ethernet to Localtalk, if you > can find the software... > > What else? > > -dq How about bisync or SNA? At one place, we used to have a VAX HASP point-to- point network for file transfer (it's easy when you don't have to buy the hardware or software). DEC used to make an ethernet to SNA gateway based on the uVAXII, didn't they? -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

22 years, 11 months

Versatec board (ID and claim it)

by jss＠ou.edu

I have a board that describes itself as: VERSATEC LSI 11 DIFF INTF 22 BIT ADDRESS G10-024898- I believe it is an interface to some sort of hard copy device. If anyone wants it, it is theirs for the price of shipping. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

22 years, 11 months

Trip to London, want BBC Micro stuff...

by AlistairMacDonald＠economist.com

=== ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk 26/06/2001 20:58:26 === > >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:40:44 +0100 (BST) Tony Duell >> Tony, any sign of a secondhand chain called Cash Converters >> in the London area? The big Bristol branch has closed, but > >Cash Converters were still going a couple of weeks back, so unless >they've closed very recently they are still trading. Cash Converters is a franchised operation. >But their prices >tend to be out-of-this-world (No, I don't think a battered C64 is worth >50 quid, OK...). I think I've found exactly one bargain in that chain >over the years. A lot depends upon how clued up the individual store is, and how much of a particular type of equipment is being sold in the area. >They may be the only shop where you will find classic computers, though. If you find anything other than consoles, or the occasional PsionII I'd be very surprised. Alistair

22 years, 11 months

Request for those skilling in locating odd bits-

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I believe there is an x-ray machine in my ex-girlfriends' parents' garage.. I need to get the rest of my Wang out of her garage anyways, so I can check if you want... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

22 years, 11 months

2 DEC DEREP and 2 VS240-B in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I just came across at the local computer surplus a pair of DEC DEREP's. Some kind of network repeater. I also saw two VS240-B boxes. I haven't found the monitor. Anybody want me to pick them up. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

22 years, 11 months

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test-drb June 2001