On Mar 5, 22:17, Tony Duell wrote:
> Pete wrote:
> > Tony wrote:
> > > 1 tablespoon = 3 teaspoons
> >
> > Except that, traditionally, there are two teaspoons in a dessertspoon
and
> > two dessertspoons in a tablespoon. It doesn't add up :-)
>
> I believe the 3 teaspoons = 1 tablespoon is right in America. We have
> slightly different spoons over here.
Well, that was a bit tongue-in-cheek :-) "Officially" (whose office, I
don't know) a teaspoon here is 5ml and a tablespoon is 15ml, so it's now
1:3 here too. Like Dick, though, I know mine don't work out that way :-)
> When you consider that most recipies include such reproducable standards
> as '1 egg' or 'a pinch of salt', you come to realise that measuring
> _anything_ accurately is probably a total waste of time :-)
And if you do, it probably won't come out right anyway -- your flour will
be a different grade, or your eggs a different size, than those of the
person who wrote the recipe. Or they do it by eye too, and just wrote down
what they *thought* they used :-)
I started to learn to cook when I was quite young, and I still remember the
occasion when I read a recipe that called for a teaspoon of vanilla
essence. "Mum! Is that a level or a heaped teaspoon?" She had to think
about it for a moment...
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Mar 5, 17:22, Will Jennings wrote:
> Uhh, why are they being called "American" units? It's the English system
of
> measurement, even if America is (or is close to being) its last user..
'cos many of the units (especially liquids) are different sizes from the
English ones :-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Anyone have any idea what's going on? I sent these two emails to the list
on December 13, but they just appeared on March 5th. Am I reading these
headers correctly if I state that these emails have been at mlynk.com since
the December 13th, and were just yesterday sent to the list? I've copied the
headers and subject lines here:
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Uhh, I think I'll pass on Australia, thanks!!! But now I'm more justified in
clobbering every spider I see in the house/garage/basement; some of them I
literally have no clue what they are.. and the other night I went to take my
bath and there was a spider in my bathroom that was quite odd, particularly
after applying my accounting textbook to it. I kill all other insects I find
indoors too, apart from crickets, so don't think I hate spiders.. I really
don't, I just have lots of valuable things are that are vulnerable to insect
damage, not to mention that I'm often barefoot, and have bad luck to boot.
For example, when I brought home my Commodore 128 from my uncle's house, I
also brought home 4 brown recluses... I practically tossed the things across
the room. The worst I've experienced, however, has to be the Sinclair ZX81 I
got, which, when opened, was full of *live* cockroaches! BARF! That went
straight to the dumpster, after the Denver cockroach massacre... My worst
non-computer experience was a 1965 Pontiac Catalina 2+2 I helped my friend
restore.. mice had inhabited it for 15+ years.. Whole car reeked of mouse
piss.. (Yes I was wearing a mask, ugh). They had eaten the inside of the
interior, so after taking out the seats, there was mouse shizzat and car
interior shreds 5 inches deep, and since the trunk latch was busted and
drilling it out failed, guess who got to crawl through the hole in the frame
thats behind the backseat into the truck? Me of course! I don't think I've
ever been so glad to leave a place.
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I know a couple weeks back there was a thread where everybody took a turn
describing what horrors a particular shipper had committed to something
they sent. I didn't pay much attention to it then, but perhaps I should
have. At any rate, my question is somewhat different.
I've been collecting computers for only two years, but at the top of my
wish list has been to get a Wang 2200, one of the older models. It is the
machine I learned to program on, and it left a strong impression. My
coding style still suffers because of it. :-)
Well, I finally found somebody who will ship me one for the cost of
shipping. It is in Portland, OR, and I'm in San Jose, CA. The estimated
weight is 200-300 pounds including accessories and docs. [ The early
2200's had a power supply box, a suitcase-sized box that contained the TTL
CPU, then a separate keyboard/monitor. The setup I'm hoping to get also
has three external tape drives and a modified selectric as a printing device. ]
Because the guy who has it is essentially giving it away, I want to make it
as easy for him as possible, and at the same time I want to get it packed
really well because I don't want anything to happen to it. I guess I'm
afraid that he'd just put it in a cardboard box stuffed with newspapers.
A scan through the yellow pages under "Packaging Materials" and "Packaging
Services" showed quite a few people who package things for a price, but
I've never used one. Does anybody have any tips on how to choose
one? Should I insist on a wood crate, or foam-fill, or something else?
As another data point, I tried the rate estimator on FedEx and it wouldn't
accept a box that weighed 300 lbs. I tried 100 lbs and it said $50, which
seems quite reasonable to me. So as another data point, I'd have to split
the lot into two or three crates in order to send it.
Thanks for any experience you can share.
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Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
John, it's obvious to me that either panix.com's mail system is configured
weird, or there's something strange about my firewall. It keeps treating
panix connection attempts as an SMTP attack, for some strange reason.
Please contact me at my backup address: wd6eos (a-t) hamsnet.net
Thanks.
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http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K)
"I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be
superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).
Uhh, why are they being called "American" units? It's the English system of
measurement, even if America is (or is close to being) its last user..
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Hi,
Replying to a couple of messages here...
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 Jerome Fine wrote:
>> I took a look at the Pinnacle drive today and it is a
>> Pinnacle Micro Sierra Optical Hard Drive with a 1.3gig capacity on
>> 5-1/4" removable media. Supposedly it is a double-sided cartridge
>> capable of holding 650Mb per side. It appears to be a standard SCSI
>> drive, but unfortunately I do not have any of the disks for it.
>
> As far as I know (or at least this is what I have always been told), the
> MO drives which can use the larger capacity (NOT larger in physical
> dimensions) media are also backward compatible with the lower
> capacity media for both read and write at least downward one step.
Yes, the only exception I know of being the Pinnacle Micro Vertex 2.6GB drive.
Here's a summary of drive compatibility. 1x means 600 & 650MB, 2x means
1.2/1.3GB, 4x means 2.3/2.6GB, 8x means 4.1/4.8/5.2GB and 14x means 8.6/9.1GB.
Maxoptix
--------
Basically any Maxoptix drive can read and write to all previous generations of
media, plus Maxoptix-specific 1GB disks (possibly read-only) and maybe
1.7/2.0GB disks.
Sony
----
2x drives (SMO-F521, SMO-F531) can read and write 1x and 2x media.
All 4x, 8x and 14x drives can read all previous capacities.
Most 4x drives (SMO-F541, SMO-F544) can write to 2x and 4x media. They cannot
write to 1x. However, there is a model which *can* write to 1x media, the
SMO-F541/SD.
Most 8x drives (SMO-F551) can write to 4x and 8x media. There are models which
can write to 2x (SMO-F551/DD) and 1x & 2x (SMO-F551/SD).
The 14x drive (SMO-F561) can write to 4x, 8x, and 14x media.
Pinnacle Micro
--------------
The 2x Sierra drive can read and write to 1x and 2x media.
The 4x Vertex drive can only read and write to 4x media. The reason for this
is that Vertex drives were Apex drives which did not meet the spec for 4.6GB
operation.
The 4.6GB Apex drive can read and write 4.2/4.6GB and 4x media. It is not
compatible with 1x or 2x media.
> There are now 5 GByte media and these drives can still read the
> 650 MByte original media for 5 1/4" drives, but are not able to
> write to the original media.
(One version of the Sony 5.2GB drive can write to all older media, as can all
Maxoptix 5.2GB drives.)
Sony recently introduced 9.1GB drives and media, see http://www.sony-cp.com/
There are actually full technical and SCSI spec manuals for the new SMO-F561
drive on the Sony web site, which makes a very welcome change.
The SMO-F561 supports an "emulation mode", whereby 9.1GB disks (whose physical
sector size is 4K) appear to have 512-byte or 1024-byte sectors. So even
computers that require 512-byte sectors can use the higher capacity disks. Of
course write performance will be relatively poor when using emulated sectors.
> NOTE: The marketing hype produced by the drive manufactures
> always stated (from what I can remember) that an MO drive had
> a capacity equal the the capacity of the media rather than what the
> drive could read on just one side of the media before it was flipped.
Yes, though as far as marketing disks (as opposed to drives) is concerned that
is usual. It's similar to audio cassettes (C60, C90). At least it's better
than the stupid "assuming 2x compression" capacity figures quoted for tape
drives.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 Jeff Hellige wrote:
> Has me thinking about trying to put the Pinnacle to good use, if it is
> functional. It would be easy enough to use it with my Mac's, but I wonder
> how hard it would be to get it working with the NeXT.
The drive should appear as a direct access removable device on the SCSI bus.
There may be a jumper to make it appear non-removable, if the NeXT does not
like removable media.
The NeXT native filesystem probably needs 512-byte sectors, so try using it
with a 600MB or 1.2GB disk first. Using, say, tar to write directly to
the drive may work with 650MB or 1.3GB disks.
If removable media support is poor or non-existent on the NeXT, boot up with a
disk in the drive. Then treat it like a hard disk, use the normal
partitioning and formatting tools. Maybe you will be able to eject the disk
after unmounting any partitions, then remount the partitions after inserting
another disk.
> I'm not sure about the ZIP disks, but somewhat related and
> on-topic is a drive I used to have for the Atari ST. It was made by
> Supra and was basically a 10meg 5-1/4" floppy. The head tracking was
Interesting.
Talking of wierd floppies... I saw an ad from 1983 for a drive which used a
magazine of six 1.2MB 5.25" floppies. Does anyone know which company made
that?
-- Mark
Does anyone have or know where I can find an info sheet on a Emulex UC14
Unibus SCSI controller? I was lucky enough to acquire one of these guys
in a 11/750 that I just received. It has three rows of dips and a couple
of jumper blocks to set. I'm sure it emulates a MSCP device but I need
to know how to set the address.
Thanks,
Brian.
