test-drb November 2001

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by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I haven't tried one but I have heard that fried candy bars (e.g., Snickers) were a big hit at the Wisconsin State Fair. -----Original Message----- From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:01 PM To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Cc: 'mythtech(a)Mac.com' Subject: RE: OT: food ! ... Of course, I am the guy the puts ! powdered sugar on french fries,... Powdered suger on french fries? Sounds... wierd... but tasty. I'll have to try it. Well, you _can_ go to a carnival and get fried dough with powdered sugar on it, so I guess it's not that much of a stretch... But I have to admit, McDonalds french fries in thier choclate shake is pretty good too. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

22 years, 8 months

hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

Hi again I for one ran an Apple ][ (clone) with two floppies and a monitor on top of the box, for a long long time, and the only problems I had was when the one-shots in the drive (how's that for a (belated) thread merge? :-) drifted so far that disks from one drive wouldn't read on the other. And yes, I still have the system, and it still reads the disks. I owe Tony an apology: >Why suspect the FDC? This soulds like nothing more than a shorted or >leaky keyswitch. Have yoy taken the keyboard apart to check for this yet. I found the correct pins for "Enter" and the floppy tries to read the disk... I made a disk on the peecee but I since found out that peecees can't make SD disks... time to go find an old XT disk controller (I have a few :-) and gippo it to read and write SD. Seeya Wouter in digest mode

22 years, 8 months

[AGarvin@tribalddb.com: Sun stuff]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Lots of old free Sun software in Dallas.. Please mail him directly. Bill ----- Forwarded message from Allen Garvin <AGarvin(a)tribalddb.com> ----- From: "Allen Garvin" <AGarvin(a)tribalddb.com> To: "'mrbill(a)sunhelp.org'" <mrbill(a)sunhelp.org> Subject: Sun stuff Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:35:47 -0500 Hello! I've found your site quite useful for the past few years. I was wondering: You wouldn't be interested in taking a gazillion pieces of old Sun software off my hands? A whole closet full of really interesting stuff, which includes nearly every piece of programming software sun put out between 87 and 93, along with manuals? Such jewels as Sun ADA, Fortran, Pascal, C, C++, GWBasic (really!), Lisp, modula-2, and others, along with libraries, all with full documentation. They take up way too much space in my apartment, and I'm just not that interested any more in running antique software and hardware, but I'd like someone who's interested in Sun stuff to have it. Or, do you know anyone else that would like it? I'll give it all away for free, to anyone who can drive to my apartment up in Dallas and pick it up. Allen Garvin UNIX Administrator Tribal DDB Dallas 214-259-2767 agarvin(a)tribalddb.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

22 years, 8 months

Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/8/2001 6:34:09 AM Central Standard Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Allison wrote: > > > 1- Drives (SA400 was pure garbage!!!) > > 2- horribly botched controllers (TRS-80 without mods) > > 3- software such as disk drivers that would hang if no media or > errors > > 4- floppy drives/controlers that would "bite" the media on power up > or > > down meaning it would write trash due to no write locks. > > 5- not enough space > > > > The apple-II was plagued with #1 and somewhat with #3 depending on > > OS and definately #4. Space was a problem for many users(#5) > > Most software I used on the Apple ][ would not hang on a disk error. I > only experienced that problem with certain games that had no provision for > disk errors. Only very poorly written software would not recover properly > from disk errors, but this is a bad software design issue, and not a > hardware issue. > > As for having media in the drive upon power up, I learned early on from my > cousin not to leave disks engaged in the drive at power up. In the very > least I always opened the drive door before turning the machine on. Even > if I was lazy, I rarely got bit by that issue. > > Sellam Ismail Agreed, most games and programs I ran (which were copies of copies of copies...) usually could recover from wrong disk, or I/O errors. Even the type in programs from NIBBLE magazine had error handling routines. I don't personally remember having a disk failure from powering up with a disk in the drive. Heck, I remember taking disks out while the disk access light was on! Perhaps I was luckier than most? clearing the HYPE about bioterrorism www.formatc.org/terrorism.htm

22 years, 8 months

Apple Floppy Drives (was: More Apple Pimpers)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Chomko <vze2wsvr(a)verizon.net> >> 1- Drives (SA400 was pure garbage!!!) > >Whoa! I bought my Smoke Signal Broadcasting disk system back in 1978 >with two SA400 drives. I added a third drive in the late 80s. To this day <snippage> I also have my three for the NS*, the first was from 1977. However as someone in the industry I did get to see how often the general lot of them failed and why. They were not great drives. I ahve mine working because it treated them very well and retired them by late 1981 for lack of space. >my 2 cents... >> meaning it would write trash due to no write locks. >> 5- not enough space > >Considering the alternative to #5 was cassette or paper tape, we lived with it! No the alternative was 8" drives at 250k or more. >> space poor at 90k per drive (#5). >> > >My SSB system was SS/SD soft-sector and had a whopping 80KB storage >capacity per diskette. Didn't TRS-80, Apple II, Northstar and others ALL have >a different scheme (i.e. more capacity, hard-sectoring, double sided/density)? The scheme with hard sector VS soft was not an issue here. It was tiny and if you did software development 90k was cramped. >My point is that, maybe they were trying to do to much with the little ole >SA400 than the thinhs was designed to do? No, it was just weak. It was slow at 40ms step (30 if you pushed it), the motor bearing tended to wear and a host of other problems. I may add that when Shugart sold the floppy business the quality went to pot. >> CCS used 8" disks and reliable controller. It was however prone to #4. >> Many S100 system that used 8" drives and the better 5.25 drives fell >> in this realm of reliability though most with 5.25 were pretty cramped >> until 360k(DD) or 720->780k(QD aka two sided DD) formats were common. >> >By then CP/M and S-100 was dying. And SS50 was long gone... the point being? Actually S100 was lingering after about 1982 and CP/M was still gathering steam up to 1984-5 with BBS systems and modems. The PC only started with 180k then 360k.. ignoring the OS and platform the PC only continued the progression with regard to floppies and their problems. >Mini computers had their fare share of disk problems too. The Interdata 7/16 >systems I worked on in the mid-70s were slated to be outfitted with >floppy drives. They could never make them work. It was either hard disks >(20 MB system, w/10MB fixed and 10MB removable), or good ole paper >tape and TTYs. The mid 70s was really the start for 8" floppies! There was a learning curve for the technology as a whole. >> Of all, my opinion is that floppies were ok but the first real improvement >> was the 3.5" drives(720k and 1.44m generation) with the power fail logic >> on board. They offered good storage, small size, lower power, good >> reliability and quieter than the whole lot. >> > >And the fact that the 1.44MB floppy is STILL a standard device on many >systems to this very day. Yes, and? We know that. It is becuase it works, was cheap and proved usable in size and durability. I'd also describe that as summa nulla. It's the best of the floppies and software and files now barely fit on CDrom... or CDrw the new "floppy" replacement. Don't rave at me. I though apple and many other machine to be valid and made a statement then. I also have the luxury of seeing what worked, failed, got forgotten and deserves to be forgotten in the epoch post MITS. Allison

22 years, 8 months

food

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I've lived in the US for my entire life and have never >been subjected to marshmallow butter You've never had Fluff? Fluff is great, have it with peanut butter (Fullernutter), have it with bananas, have it on ice cream, have it with graham crackers and honey, or with graham crackers and chocolate for non heated smores. You can have Fluff with all sorts of stuff. Turns any food into instant junk food! Of course, I am the guy the puts powdered sugar on french fries, so maybe my opinions should be ignored (it was an accidental find, the wind picked up at the shore and my wife's funnel cake landed on my plate of french fries). I also dip milky way bars into whoopie pie filling (powdered surgar and crisco), and sit twitching from the massive sugar rush... humm.. maybe it isn't US food is bizarre, maybe it is just some US residents eat bizarre stuff. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 8 months

8 inch floppy drives

by clandrum＠monumental.com

Found a nice site that can supply new 8 inch floppy drives, both half and full height and they have lots of different models as well as enclosures and power supplies. Might be a useful bookmark. I have not purchased anything from them yet so cannot vouch for them. See: www.cadigital.com Craig Landrum CTO Mindwrap, Inc.

22 years, 8 months

DECSystem 5900 (fwd)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On November 8, Dan Wright wrote: > What is it? it sounds interesting... It's essentially a DECstation5000-240 in a rackmount box. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

22 years, 8 months

OT: IE 5.5 SP2 "Always ask before opening this type of file"is

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Replace Nyetscrap 4.72 with 4.08, much more stable. Or if you want more fun install IE4.02 (comx/activx crippled) and turn off VBS scripting. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey S. Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: OT: IE 5.5 SP2 "Always ask before opening this type of file"is >On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: > >> Is there's reliable web brower aka (IE) but likes of Nutscape (4.72) >> that doesn't blow up at every turn? > >Opera? > >-- >Jeffrey S. Sharp >jss(a)subatomix.com > >

22 years, 8 months

Zenith Data Systems Z-386 SX/20 Free in NJ

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The internet is a big place. Don't give up so easily. Most often if you >don't find results, your search terms need refining. I didn't turn up anything useful on my first google search. I fully admit that I could have spent far more time looking, and probably would have found what I needed. But the machine is/was of next to no value to me, so it simply wasn't worth my time to look beyond my first search. (kind of the idea that when sheetrocking a wall, if you drop a screw, it is more cost efficient to get a new one from your pouch then to get off the scaffold and find the one you dropped... for me, it was more cost efficient to throw out the machine, then to take another 15 minutes searching for the info I needed. This would have been a totally different situation if it has been at least a 486, but 386 and less machines can only be used for one job for me now, and I have a stock pile of them already) However, someone else on this list sent me the key combo as well, so the machine has been salvaged (it was about 10 minutes away from being stripped, since there had been no one that wanted it, I was going to finish bundling some cables, then I was going to need my bench space back to work on more important equipment). I feel better saving it. I always feel guilty when I throw out an otherwise fully working machine simply because I have to watch the bottom line at work (if I wasn't on a tight time crunch to clear some office space, I would have put it to the side for a slow day when I could have taken more time to try and fix it... but that putting to the side of systems is what has burried me under parts that need to be fixed or evaluated, so right now, I have to stick to the mentality of fix it or throw it, so old systems are getting tossed right now if they cause me to have to spend more than about 10 minutes working on them) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 8 months

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test-drb November 2001