I haven't tried one but I have heard that fried candy bars (e.g., Snickers)
were a big hit at the Wisconsin State Fair.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:01 PM
To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
Cc: 'mythtech(a)Mac.com'
Subject: RE: OT: food
! ... Of course, I am the guy the puts
! powdered sugar on french fries,...
Powdered suger on french fries? Sounds... wierd... but tasty. I'll
have to try it. Well, you _can_ go to a carnival and get fried dough with
powdered sugar on it, so I guess it's not that much of a stretch...
But I have to admit, McDonalds french fries in thier choclate shake
is pretty good too.
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Hi again
I for one ran an Apple ][ (clone) with two floppies and a monitor
on top of the box, for a long long time, and the only problems
I had was when the one-shots in the drive (how's that for a (belated)
thread merge? :-) drifted so far that disks from one drive wouldn't
read on the other.
And yes, I still have the system, and it still reads the disks.
I owe Tony an apology:
>Why suspect the FDC? This soulds like nothing more than a shorted or
>leaky keyswitch. Have yoy taken the keyboard apart to check for this yet.
I found the correct pins for "Enter" and the floppy tries to
read the disk... I made a disk on the peecee but I since found out
that peecees can't make SD disks... time to go find an old XT
disk controller (I have a few :-) and gippo it to read and write
SD.
Seeya
Wouter in digest mode
Lots of old free Sun software in Dallas.. Please mail him directly.
Bill
----- Forwarded message from Allen Garvin <AGarvin(a)tribalddb.com> -----
From: "Allen Garvin" <AGarvin(a)tribalddb.com>
To: "'mrbill(a)sunhelp.org'" <mrbill(a)sunhelp.org>
Subject: Sun stuff
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:35:47 -0500
Hello! I've found your site quite useful for the past few years. I was
wondering:
You wouldn't be interested in taking a gazillion pieces of old Sun software
off my hands?
A whole closet full of really interesting stuff, which includes nearly every
piece of programming
software sun put out between 87 and 93, along with manuals? Such jewels as
Sun ADA, Fortran,
Pascal, C, C++, GWBasic (really!), Lisp, modula-2, and others, along with
libraries, all with full
documentation.
They take up way too much space in my apartment, and I'm just not that
interested any more in
running antique software and hardware, but I'd like someone who's interested
in Sun stuff to have
it. Or, do you know anyone else that would like it? I'll give it all away
for free, to anyone who
can drive to my apartment up in Dallas and pick it up.
Allen Garvin
UNIX Administrator
Tribal DDB Dallas
214-259-2767
agarvin(a)tribalddb.com
----- End forwarded message -----
--
Bill Bradford
mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
In a message dated 11/8/2001 6:34:09 AM Central Standard Time,
foo(a)siconic.com writes:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Allison wrote:
>
> > 1- Drives (SA400 was pure garbage!!!)
> > 2- horribly botched controllers (TRS-80 without mods)
> > 3- software such as disk drivers that would hang if no media or
> errors
> > 4- floppy drives/controlers that would "bite" the media on power up
> or
> > down meaning it would write trash due to no write locks.
> > 5- not enough space
> >
> > The apple-II was plagued with #1 and somewhat with #3 depending on
> > OS and definately #4. Space was a problem for many users(#5)
>
> Most software I used on the Apple ][ would not hang on a disk error. I
> only experienced that problem with certain games that had no provision for
> disk errors. Only very poorly written software would not recover properly
> from disk errors, but this is a bad software design issue, and not a
> hardware issue.
>
> As for having media in the drive upon power up, I learned early on from my
> cousin not to leave disks engaged in the drive at power up. In the very
> least I always opened the drive door before turning the machine on. Even
> if I was lazy, I rarely got bit by that issue.
>
> Sellam Ismail
Agreed, most games and programs I ran (which were copies of copies of
copies...) usually could recover from wrong disk, or I/O errors. Even the
type in programs from NIBBLE magazine had error handling routines.
I don't personally remember having a disk failure from powering up with a
disk in the drive. Heck, I remember taking disks out while the disk access
light was on! Perhaps I was luckier than most?
clearing the HYPE about bioterrorism
www.formatc.org/terrorism.htm
From: Eric Chomko <vze2wsvr(a)verizon.net>
>> 1- Drives (SA400 was pure garbage!!!)
>
>Whoa! I bought my Smoke Signal Broadcasting disk system back in 1978
>with two SA400 drives. I added a third drive in the late 80s. To this day
<snippage>
I also have my three for the NS*, the first was from 1977. However as
someone
in the industry I did get to see how often the general lot of them failed
and why.
They were not great drives. I ahve mine working because it treated them
very
well and retired them by late 1981 for lack of space.
>my 2 cents...
>> meaning it would write trash due to no write locks.
>> 5- not enough space
>
>Considering the alternative to #5 was cassette or paper tape, we lived with
it!
No the alternative was 8" drives at 250k or more.
>> space poor at 90k per drive (#5).
>>
>
>My SSB system was SS/SD soft-sector and had a whopping 80KB storage
>capacity per diskette. Didn't TRS-80, Apple II, Northstar and others ALL
have
>a different scheme (i.e. more capacity, hard-sectoring, double
sided/density)?
The scheme with hard sector VS soft was not an issue here. It was tiny
and if you did software development 90k was cramped.
>My point is that, maybe they were trying to do to much with the little ole
>SA400 than the thinhs was designed to do?
No, it was just weak. It was slow at 40ms step (30 if you pushed it), the
motor bearing tended to wear and a host of other problems. I may add that
when Shugart sold the floppy business the quality went to pot.
>> CCS used 8" disks and reliable controller. It was however prone to #4.
>> Many S100 system that used 8" drives and the better 5.25 drives fell
>> in this realm of reliability though most with 5.25 were pretty cramped
>> until 360k(DD) or 720->780k(QD aka two sided DD) formats were common.
>>
>By then CP/M and S-100 was dying.
And SS50 was long gone... the point being? Actually S100 was lingering
after about 1982 and CP/M was still gathering steam up to 1984-5 with BBS
systems and modems. The PC only started with 180k then 360k.. ignoring the
OS and platform the PC only continued the progression with regard to
floppies
and their problems.
>Mini computers had their fare share of disk problems too. The Interdata
7/16
>systems I worked on in the mid-70s were slated to be outfitted with
>floppy drives. They could never make them work. It was either hard disks
>(20 MB system, w/10MB fixed and 10MB removable), or good ole paper
>tape and TTYs.
The mid 70s was really the start for 8" floppies! There was a learning
curve for
the technology as a whole.
>> Of all, my opinion is that floppies were ok but the first real
improvement
>> was the 3.5" drives(720k and 1.44m generation) with the power fail logic
>> on board. They offered good storage, small size, lower power, good
>> reliability and quieter than the whole lot.
>>
>
>And the fact that the 1.44MB floppy is STILL a standard device on many
>systems to this very day.
Yes, and? We know that. It is becuase it works, was cheap and proved
usable in size and durability. I'd also describe that as summa nulla. It's
the
best of the floppies and software and files now barely fit on CDrom... or
CDrw
the new "floppy" replacement.
Don't rave at me. I though apple and many other machine to be valid and
made a statement then. I also have the luxury of seeing what worked,
failed,
got forgotten and deserves to be forgotten in the epoch post MITS.
Allison
>I've lived in the US for my entire life and have never
>been subjected to marshmallow butter
You've never had Fluff? Fluff is great, have it with peanut butter
(Fullernutter), have it with bananas, have it on ice cream, have it with
graham crackers and honey, or with graham crackers and chocolate for non
heated smores. You can have Fluff with all sorts of stuff. Turns any food
into instant junk food!
Of course, I am the guy the puts powdered sugar on french fries, so maybe
my opinions should be ignored (it was an accidental find, the wind picked
up at the shore and my wife's funnel cake landed on my plate of french
fries). I also dip milky way bars into whoopie pie filling (powdered
surgar and crisco), and sit twitching from the massive sugar rush...
humm.. maybe it isn't US food is bizarre, maybe it is just some US
residents eat bizarre stuff.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Found a nice site that can supply new 8 inch floppy drives,
both half and full height and they have lots of different
models as well as enclosures and power supplies. Might be
a useful bookmark. I have not purchased anything from
them yet so cannot vouch for them. See:
www.cadigital.com
Craig Landrum
CTO
Mindwrap, Inc.
On November 8, Dan Wright wrote:
> What is it? it sounds interesting...
It's essentially a DECstation5000-240 in a rackmount box.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
Replace Nyetscrap 4.72 with 4.08, much more stable.
Or if you want more fun install IE4.02 (comx/activx crippled)
and turn off VBS scripting.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey S. Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: OT: IE 5.5 SP2 "Always ask before opening this type of file"is
>On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
>
>> Is there's reliable web brower aka (IE) but likes of Nutscape (4.72)
>> that doesn't blow up at every turn?
>
>Opera?
>
>--
>Jeffrey S. Sharp
>jss(a)subatomix.com
>
>
>The internet is a big place. Don't give up so easily. Most often if you
>don't find results, your search terms need refining.
I didn't turn up anything useful on my first google search. I fully admit
that I could have spent far more time looking, and probably would have
found what I needed. But the machine is/was of next to no value to me, so
it simply wasn't worth my time to look beyond my first search. (kind of
the idea that when sheetrocking a wall, if you drop a screw, it is more
cost efficient to get a new one from your pouch then to get off the
scaffold and find the one you dropped... for me, it was more cost
efficient to throw out the machine, then to take another 15 minutes
searching for the info I needed. This would have been a totally different
situation if it has been at least a 486, but 386 and less machines can
only be used for one job for me now, and I have a stock pile of them
already)
However, someone else on this list sent me the key combo as well, so the
machine has been salvaged (it was about 10 minutes away from being
stripped, since there had been no one that wanted it, I was going to
finish bundling some cables, then I was going to need my bench space back
to work on more important equipment).
I feel better saving it. I always feel guilty when I throw out an
otherwise fully working machine simply because I have to watch the bottom
line at work (if I wasn't on a tight time crunch to clear some office
space, I would have put it to the side for a slow day when I could have
taken more time to try and fix it... but that putting to the side of
systems is what has burried me under parts that need to be fixed or
evaluated, so right now, I have to stick to the mentality of fix it or
throw it, so old systems are getting tossed right now if they cause me to
have to spend more than about 10 minutes working on them)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>