test-drb November 2001

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Would you be willing to post a digital pic or two? I know someone who may be able to use these as spares for his system, if they're from the right equipment. -dq > Speaking of CDC, among the junk I'm cleaning out of my basement there's a > partial backplane out > of an old CDC something-or-other, connected to a panel with 2 > AC outlets > (Monitor & Data Set), a fuse and a DB25 for the Data Set. > There's also an > acoustic delay line and a large resistor/diode > matrix board which I think came from the same piece. Maybe a 60's era > terminal??? > > 3 rows of cards; the two top rows A & B have 25 slots for 4 > 1/2x6", double > sided 31 edge > connectors cards, some with 10 test points along the edge and each > populated with one or two > dozen gold 10 pin TO5 cans marked M (as in Motorola) 115, > 116, 117, 118 > with what I assume are > date codes like 6624, 6644, and 6636. > > The bottom row, C, 32 slots, contains a few smaller cards with pin > connectors that appear to be > some kind of programming cards, just containing jumper wires. > > Anybody recognize these and maybe even have a use for a card > or two, or can > I throw them out > without feeling guilty? > > mike > > >

23 years, 1 month

OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> as long as you have a real computer nearby BWAAAA-HAAA-HAA-HAAA!!! >What's the use of a Mac of that vintage (ie, old and slow but not >classic)? The list goes on and on. Check www.lowendmac.com for some pointers... but basically, it can do pretty much everything a "regular" home user would want. Internet, basic office work, graphics, games (albeit, if you want REAL gaming, buy a console or a "toy" computer that uses Windows). >I have a Centris 660av that I use for testing web pages on >older macintosh versions of Netscape and MSIE. The 660AV will also allow you to do video in/out, and some video editing (with the right software). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

Cypher F880 docs anywhere? (and anyone .uk with spare tapes?)

by classiccmp＠knm.yi.org

Hi guys, I've got a Cypher F880 tape drive here, and I was wondering if the docs made it onto the net anywhere :&) As an aside - I don't have any tapes - so if there's anyone in the UK with some tapes I could have, I'd be most grateful :&) Thanks, -- Matt --- Web Page: http://knm.yi.org/ http://pkl.net/~matt/ PGP Key fingerprint = 00BF 19FE D5F5 8EAD 2FD5 D102 260E 8BA7 EEE4 8D7F PGP Key http://knm.yi.org/matt-pgp.html

23 years, 1 month

OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>This box has been at it (rebuilding desktop file) since 2:30 this >afternoon and >hasn't yet finished booting. I suspect there's a problem, as it >previously took >only a minute or two. It won't let me do anything other than shut down. >I've >rebooted it once, and it simply went back to what is was doing, which doesn't >seem to be leading anywhere. Are you actually seeing a message "Rebuilding desktop on drive ---"? You shouldn't get that just at boot time unless the desktop database is corrupt (or unless you instructed it to rebuild by holding command and option before the desktop was shown). If it is hung while trying to rebuild (you should hear the hard drive clicking, and the progress bar should be moving... may be slowly, but it should move... a 250mb drive, even fully loaded on a 68k machine shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to rebuild). So... if it is hung, and you rebooted the machine, and it hung AGAIN... then chances are REALLY REALLY good your drive format is damaged. The best bet here, reformat the drive (and run the test on it to verify the drive itself is not bad). Or, since you want to upgrade the drive... just do that and don't worry about the 250 at all. If on the other hand, you are just hung during boot (little icons going across the bottom of the screen, Welcome to Macintosh splash screen is still showing)... then you probably have a bad extension. Reboot the computer, and right after you hear the BONG, hold down the shift key until you see "Welcome To Macintosh Extensions Disabled" on the screen (the extensions disabled will be written below the welcome to mac). Then it should finish booting normally. You can try doing a restart after that (special menu, choose Restart), but it might hang again. Better choice, go to the Apple menu, go to Control Panels, go to Extension Manager, choose "Base" from the popup. Again, this problem will go away if you reformat and reinstall the OS. (I really really think you should just do that before you mess with the machines anymore... it will save you a bundle of heartache... at the VERY least, run Disk First Aid, and let it repair the disk if needed... and then do a clean install of the OS) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>No offense, but I have no plan to become "MAC-Literate" beyond the point of >ensuring the basic health of these two computers before I give them away >to some >poor, unsuspecting person who has access to MAC help and less such access to >competent PC help. hehe, yeah, but that mac is so damn easy to learn, you may become "mac-literate" by accident just in your quick use. >Since one of the people to whom I'm planning to give one of >these is a single woman who volunteers at the women's shelter where I have >been >a volunteer for about a decade, I don't want her to be tying up my phone, or, >worse, getting the wrong impression about my intentions, as she also works at >the school where my boys went a few years back, which is the first place I >met >her. Though it's no secret I'm not married, I've already got all the women I >need, plus about 10% (exactly one). Definitly just reformat and start from scratch then. If you are giving them away, no sense even messing around trying to get the software working as it. Reformat, reinstall, and hand them off knowing they will work fine when YOU give them away. >While it's a generous offer, I'll try to get by with the CD's I've got on >hand >for now, as those are accompanied with the registrations, documentation that >comes with these boxes, etc, and I'd like everything at least to appear to >be on >the up-and-up, copyright-law-wise. Whereas I may sometimes play things >fast-and-loose with "borrowed" software, etc, I'd prefer not to promulgate >those >attitudes and practices into the new-user community where they might be seen >differently than I see them. Actually, System 7.5.5 is freely available from Apple's web site. So if you have the tools, you can make a bootable OS install disk yourself, and distribute it with the Mac, safely, and legally. I assume you DON'T have the tools (like another Mac with a CD burner and a copy of Toast), so if you want one, I will make one for you and mail it over to you (free of charge, since it will really only cost me less than a buck a disk with postage). >BTW, what does the "Backup" function do? It seems to want to copy things to >floppies, but can it also copy things to an external SCSI drive? How >about to a >SCSI tape? UGH... no, that means the machines probably didn't come with a restore CD. To cut costs with the performa line, apple stopped shipping them with install disks. Instead, they made a little "Backup" program, and you were supposed to purchase a box (a big box, since it needs like 25 or 50) of disks, and run the backup program. It would then create the install disks for you, to hang on to until the day you needed to reinstall. Annoying to say the least. Unfortuantly, the backup program will ONLY write to floppies, so you can't hook up a scsi tape drive and go to that (besides, the Mac has no built in drivers for a tape drive, so you would need software like Retrospect to access it anyway). I can probably hunt down a set of install disks for the Performa 630 (I might actually have such already, I have to see if I got the original software with one of them that I recovered) if you need them. Sounds like you might already have the original software CDs. If one is called Software Restore, then you are good to go, but that backup program makes me think you don't have it (I think I have one for a Performa 638CD, which is basically the same machine, slightly different bundle). If I have it, I can always make you two copies of it (again, since you have the machine they go to, there should be nothing legally wrong with getting copies from me). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

Data General One Portable Printer

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Here is a nice DG1 Portable printer, 3 hours to go, currently $9.95. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1297127236&r=0&t=0& showTutorial=0&ed=1006078740&indexURL=0&rd=1 Paxton

23 years, 1 month

Marmite

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 9, 20:42, Sipke de Wal wrote: > Marmite is a kinda fermented soya molasses that > you can spread on a cheese-sandwich. I suppose it has a consistency something like molasses (certainly more like that than like pate) but it contains neither molasses nor soya. It's almost all yeast extract (leftover from brewing, originally). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 1 month

OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> With a >half-GB HDD, which was "stock" with the '630, Actually the 630 came stock with a 250mb drive. The 631 had the 500mb. Others in the 63x series had either 250's or 350's. >I've got to say this was a >MINIMALLY equipped computer, though the popular functions all seem to be >there. >I'm not at all certain how they (Apple) got all that functionality out of the >clearly limited resources. That is because, up until OS 8, the Mac OS needed very little to run. When compared to Windows, the MacOS was AMAZINGLY fast, stable, and compact. OS 8 changed the RAM requirements because it moved the Mac ROM >from the logic board, to the hard drive (and thus, into RAM when the OS was running). This caused a spike in the OS RAM requirements. (7.5.5 can run in 4mb, 7.6 in 8mb but 8.0 jumps to 32mb) >I do believe >the typical PC of the time had a larger (14") monitor IIRC, the entire performa color screen line came a 14" monitor (various revision, but all were 14... the 630 was probably the Performa Plus display). So the larger monitor point isn't really valid. >yet overall system cost >was about 20% less than this model. Yup.. ok, ya got me there. This was during the fairly obvious days of Mac's being more expensive for what you got out of it (20% ?, you are being nice) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Right now, one of the two boxes is sitting, and has been for several hours, >trying to reconstruct the work surface, or whatever it's called. It doesn't >look as though it needs that service, but the machine won't go beyond that >point. It's about 4:45 now and it's been at it since about 2:30. I'm >inclined >to try a backup on the other machine, if that's possible. Sounds like you may have a problem with the OS. Unless you know the direct history of these machines (ie: you know everything that has been run and installed on them), I would recommend you reformat and reinstall the OS from scratch. Sitting waiting for the Finder do come up is definatly NOT normal. You mentioned in a previous post that you had problems with the mouse cursor freezing for a while, and then coming back... that shouldn't happen, and the fact that it does really tells me you have something wrong. Could be an extension conflict, could be a virus, could be a corrupt file. But since you aren't a very mac literate person (yet... once you start using it, you will catch on fast), you are best off just wiping the drive and installing the OS from scratch. You can download System 7.5.5 from Apple's web site, or if you want it on a bootable CD, let me know, I will be happy to send you one. If you have the CD that came with the Mac, it should let you totally restore the drive to factory settings... unfortunatly, I don't recall if the Performa 630 came with a restore CD or not (I know earlier performa's did not, I am just not sure if apple started supplying it when they started shipping ones with internal CDs). If you DO have a restore CD for that machine, then I would recommend you just run it. That will put you back to a fresh, stable environment, with some basic applications that you can use. >From there, you can move to more advanced stuff. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11/17/2001 10:36:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, gwynp(a)artware.qc.ca writes: << What's the use of a Mac of that vintage (ie, old and slow but not classic)? I have a Centris 660av that I use for testing web pages on older macintosh versions of Netscape and MSIE. Of course, finding a 68k version of MSIE is something of a challenge. -Philip >> What's the use of an old mac? I guess you haven't played crystal quest on a mac plus yet! heh.

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test-drb November 2001