Well the "new" Encompass site is updated and guess what, no "free DECUS"
memberships anymore, now its $79.99 "early bird special" and $99.99 regular
membership. No doubt when they become HP it will be even more irrelevant to
the cause of preserving old DEC gear. I sure hope they offer lifetime VAX
licenses at some point.
--Chuck
There are two of these available near where I work, if anyone is interested.
They're about 2/3 the size of an IBM 5150 PC and each has 1 3 1/2" drive in
it. They also contain disks labeled "IBM 5394 SYSTEM DISKETTE".
If anyone's interested, please contact me off-list. There's no guarantee of
availability as these things are not actually in my posession, but I doubt
they're going anywhere :) You'd pay shipping & handling but that's it.
- Dan Wright
(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Allain [mailto:allain@panix.com]
> Start? Let's see...
> First VMS is renamed to OpenVMS.
> Then the entirety of digital is bought out.
> Then the VAX line is discontinued.
> Then the Alpha Chip is discontinued.
> (think this is the chronology. corrections?)
Some of the above is more worrying than the rest. It would be interesting,
though, to see what would have happened to VAX had it not been discontinued.
Perhaps a VAX implementation over an Alpha core, along the lines of recent
intel chips.
> All joking aside, if PDP/RSTS is still alive,
> as I think was said on this list, then add at least
http://www.mentec.com/
They seem to make quite a bit of cash from the PDP stuff still.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
I wonder whether you can get one and high-speed-dub it? :)
I may try something like this, myself. I have a "buck rogers" game tape.
If I'm lucky, there's more formatting than tape, and it can be copied to
another tape -- or to an AIFF file for re-production.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Hildebrand [mailto:ghldbrd@ccp.com]
> Not much . . . except as a curiosity. I did you you should have been
> able to run cp/m on it. The trick is getting formatted casette tapes.
If I remember correctly, there was a machine code program printed once to play "music" with a ZX80 using this method!
Bob Mason
John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote:
>
>Time for the daily relay of an on-topic (?) post
>from Slashdot:
>
>http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/
>
>A new twist on an old trick... Someone's written a
>program that plays music on AM radios by changing
>the pattern on the video screen.
>
>I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone
>writes a converter that "plays" sampled audio or even
>MP3s in this way.
>
>- John
>
>
--
Bob Mason
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Don:
The emulator is running CP/M 2.2. It can also run AltairDOS and
Microsoft Disk BASIC (all of which I have images for). I also have a 5mb
CP/M hard disk image.
Rich
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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:50 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Jim Battle wrote:
> True, but Rich's emulator is of an Altair -- one with an 8080 in it.
ZCPR2
> & 3 were Z80-only affairs, I believe.
If he is running a true emulator, I would presume that he was running
CP/M-1.4 would he not? If that is so, is it not true that user areas
did not come into play until CP/M-2.x?
- don
> I recently picked up Richard Conn's ZCPR book for $10, but I haven't yet
> had time to do more than page through it quickly. It looks like it was an
> interesting system; the author was obviously influenced by unix.
>
>
> At 08:33 AM 11/26/01 +0100, Sipke de Wal wrote:
> >ZCPR2 & 3 (CP/M extensions) even allowed
> >for 32 USER levels (0 .. 31)
> >
> >Sipke de Wal
> >-------------------------------------------------
> >http://xgistor.ath.cx
> >-------------------------------------------------
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Jim Battle <frustum(a)pacbell.net>
> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:51 AM
> >Subject: Re: Inaccessible CP/M programs in Altair32
> >
> >
> > > Good point --
> > >
> > > to flesh it out a bit more, there could be up to 16 different "user"
areas
> > > on the disk, which go from 0 to 15. Files were tagged with a nibble
> > > indicating which user area the file belonged to.
> > >
> > > To change user areas, type:
> > >
> > > USER 1
> > >
> > > to change to user area 1. By default you are in user 0. Changing to
each
> > > user area and typing "dir" to see if anything is there is a drag. To
find
> > > out which, if any, user areas have active files, type:
> > >
> > > STAT USR:
> > >
> > > and it responds with something like:
> > >
> > > Active User: 0
> > > Active Files: 0 1
> > >
> > > to indicate you are currently in user 0 area and that user areas 0 and
1
> > > have files in them.
> > > (confirmed on *my* CP/M emulator!)
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:18 PM 11/25/01 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >I'm not an expert in Altair CP/M but I do remember one other aspect.
It
> > > >wasn't password protection but I do remember the concept of differnt
user
> > > >#'s. It wasn't complicated but somthing like user #'s 1-8. Once you
> > > >were that user I seem to remember only the files belonging to that
user
> > > >showing up...
> > > >
> > > >Might be a dead end... Just a thought...
> > > >
> > > >George Rachor
> > > >
> > > >=========================================================
> > > >George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com
> > > >Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com
> > > >United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX
> > > >
> > > >On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Jim Battle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > At 10:06 PM 11/25/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > >Hi:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm making progress with using CP/M under Altair32, but
I
> > have
> > > > > > one newbie
> > > > > >question since I don't have much experience with CP/M.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The disk image I have shows one program in the
directory,
> > > > > > STAT.COM. Running
> > > > > >STAT tells me that there is about 167k free (on a 330k disk).
Looking
> > > > at the
> > > > > >disk image file with a hex file editor reveals that there's more
> > > > programs on
> > > > > >the disk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I seem to remember something about password protection
on
> > a CP/M
> > > > > > disk. How
> > > > > >do I get around this so that I can see what else is on this
image?
> > > > >
> > > > > It isn't password protection. Files can be marked as "system"
> > files, so
> > > > > that they don't show up when you do a "DIR". I think "STAT *.*
> > $DIR" will
> > > > > revert all hidden files back to normal.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
> > >
>
> -----
> Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
>
>
Time for the daily relay of an on-topic (?) post
>from Slashdot:
http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/
A new twist on an old trick... Someone's written a
program that plays music on AM radios by changing
the pattern on the video screen.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone
writes a converter that "plays" sampled audio or even
MP3s in this way.
- John
If I remember properly, the licences issued on behalf of the hobbyist
VAX/VMS effort were good for 1 year only (from date of issue?) and
needed to be re-issued every year (please correct me if I'm wrong...
I am not very VMS literate :-) At the time I remember reading of
this, someone indicated that it wouldn't be a problem, since all
you needed to get a new licence was a current DECUS membership
(which was free)... we were told not to worry....
Well, apparently we should now start worrying....
-al-
-acorda(a)1bigred.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:45 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: one shoe down ...
>
>
>
> --- Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> wrote:
> > Well the "new" Encompass site is updated and guess what, no
> "free DECUS"
> > memberships anymore, now its $79.99 "early bird special" and $99.99
> > regular
> > membership. No doubt when they become HP it will be even
> more irrelevant
> > to
> > the cause of preserving old DEC gear. I sure hope they
> offer lifetime VAX
> > licenses at some point.
>
> For those of us DECUS members who have not yet gotten any hobbyist VAX
> licenses, is it too late? I have one of the recent hobby CDs
> and a bunch
> of 6.x originals, so media isn't a real problem, but licenses are.
>
> What about a project to hack LMF? There was a lot of
> controversy a while
> back about the "Screw LMF" T-Shirt at a Symposium with, IIRC,
> a 5.2 and
> 5.3 patch (details of exact versions fuzzy). Did DEC decide
> to lock stuff
> down after 5.x or is it still possible to simply bypass
> checks in LMF.EXE
> to always grant a license?
>
> It just sucks to have something as cool as non-commercial
> licenses granted
> for free change to require a paid-memebership to an
> organization to get
> them for free. In any case, I don't expect to _pay_ to join
> Encompass. I
> would think that losing a substantial quantity of members
> would cause them
> to re-think their policies (including folding, since it _does_ cost to
> run an organization, but normally, those costs are considered
> absorbable
> because of the greater benefit to the bottom-line that such
> an organization
> represents).
>
> -ethan
>
>
>
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