> Was that "slot-8" compatibility creature a bug in the PC as well?
Yes and no. :-)
Since the PC had 5 slots, there was HARDLY EVER a problem with slot number
8!
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ROFL! Been kinda missing the humour on here; thanks for the chuckle, Fred!
At 09:29 26-10-01 -0700, you wrote:
>I have no idea why IBM did that. Perhaps intending it for some
>"special" card that would need it, such as a coprocessor?
AFAIK slot 8 in the XT was meant for a bus extender card.
There was available a box which looked just like a XT but only
had a psu and a passive motherboard inside. You put a bus ext
card in that box and in the XT, and you could add seven more
cards to the system.
Kees.
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Iggy sez:
>Sellam Ismail skrev:
>>Tony, please cut the bullshit already.
*snip*
>rudeness. Why do you feel such an urge to insult everyone and everything on
>this list?
Oi, I thought it was funny. Hillarious, even. Sheesh, I
would pay real money for a few "programmers" on Tony's
level of competence...
OBclassiccmp:
I'm playing with various bits of hardware as time permits. If
anyone has info, please forward, it will help me re-reverse-engineer
the wheel...
(1) Osborne 1.
- Keyboard is shorted internally. Screen reads "insert disk
and press Enter" or whatever, then refreshes / redraws
all the time. This stops when I unplug the keyboard. I
think I know which two pins connect to the Enter key,
when I short those two pins same thing happens. I'm
suspecting the 8877 FDC chip.
Does anyone have:
-- Memory (I/O) map
-- Schematic (ja sure :-)
-- BIOS disassembly
-- tips on fixing the keyboard?
(2) Apollo DN3000 and DN3500
-- Looks like the monitor/BIOS rom for the 3000 was written
in C. Anybody know anything more than this?
-- Memory map?
-- Schematics? (I kill myself, I know :-)
(3) WPC (checks, youch, well, the system is 10 years old, even
though my Addams Family will only get there in 2002...)
Bank switched 6809. Figured out the memory map and most
of what I need to know of the ASIC from the MAME source.
How *they* figured it out is anyone's guess, but there's
a bunch of hackers worth admiring.
-- Generic question... anyone else messing around with
WPC? Or Sys80 for that matter? (Haunted House, for
those who are still reading :-)
Seeya all
Wouter
www.retro.co.za
On October 26, Chuck McManis wrote:
> I've also got an Emulex P800 which looks like a MAU but it could be a
> terminal server. Its pretty cool is says "Performance 8000", has dual
> Ethernet connections on the back (AUI), dual power supplies, and what looks
> like 12 DB25 ports (I can't imagine a fault tolerant terminal server, but
> there you go. Free to a home somewhere.
The Emulex "Performance 4000", at least, is indeed a terminal server.
> Finally I've got a couple DEC LanBridges (100 and a 150), they look like
> straight bridges but they just have two AUI connectors. Perhaps they do
> filtering or something?
The LANbridge 100 and 150 do MAC-level bridging. I'm told they
support spanning tree. I've used many of them to segregate networks;
they've always served me well.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Laurel, MD
I was recently given a Heathkit H89 with all three distribution disks. The
system boots CP/M 2.2, looks for a configuration file, doesn't find it on
the write-protected boot disk, and initiates a setup program.
The setup utility offers a "standard" configuration, or I can display
settings for all of the physical and logical devices, and change those
settings.
Upon exiting the setup program, the result is always the same: all keyboard
input produces double characters on the screen. I don't see anything in
the setup utility pertaining to local echo.
What am I missing here?
Glen Goodwin
0/0
>Sounds like you actually have the software running, whats it like, what are
>you doing with it?
>From the PC side of things, it is just being used to access a networked
printer over our old AppleTalk network. I have just been too lazy to
upgrade that wing of the building to Ethernet to match the rest of the
place. So they use the old TeleNet network, and that now terminates in my
office, where it routes thru a Localtalk to Ethernet converter, and
continues on to the Ethernet network, where they access our HP 4000 (or
any other printer they want).
It works great for this, but honestly, I would have to play a bit with it
to tell you much about it. I am not the one that originally installed the
software on the PCs, so I know little about it. I could tell you more
about the Mac end of things, as we used to actually use the file sharing
abilites of that (up until System 7 added easier to use personal file
server). It has been a while since I had a mac with it installed (we
stopped buying it for new macs when I explained one day, that if all we
were doing was printing, we didn't need tops on the mac, appletalk
printing was built in... so my boss stopped paying $400 a pop for it...
it wasn't until later that I started using it for file sharing, figuring
we had it, might as well use it)
>Abandoneware is one thing, but this is "throw your customers off a
>cliffware". Ultimately Sun owns the rights to the TOPS network protocol, at
>least I think, but Symantec and Farallon pretend this era of product which
>came with LIFETIME support etc. never existed.
All the versions I have are marked as being from Sun, who is the only
company I remember dealing with for TOPS (not saying others didn't own
it, I just never dealt with them... my boxes are all marked "TOPS
Division of Sun Microsystems... implying that they TOPS on a whole).
The customer support manual does very specifically state that as a
registered user, I get free support, no matter how long I own TOPS, as
long as I own the current, or the previous release. They also say I get
free notification of enhancements, updates, and new products... I have
2.1 for DOS, I wonder if that still qualifies... Why aren't they spamming
me with new product announcements damnit!
>Wants some fun, buy an EXPENSIVE sealed retail box new old stock product,
>then without opening the envelope with the discs, send a letter to the
>company informing them that you are NOT willing to comply with the terms of
>their license agreement and want a refund of the retail price of the
>package.
I think I have an unopened copy of Windows For Workgroups.... That must
have been pricey in its day... I wonder if MS will give me my money
back... oh wait, no they won't, at least not if their refusal to the
Linux community is any indication. Humm... does that then relieve me of
the agreement, if I refused to accept it, and notified them, and they
refuse to take it back and refund me... shouldn't I be legally allowed to
do with it as I please, including use the disks as drink coasters? (You
thought I would say duplicate it and give it away, but I can't in good
concious subject others to Windows anything!)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I've got a set of three NCD X-terminals, an HMX, an HMXpro, and an HMXpro24
that are available in the SF Bay area, I've got no idea if they work or
not, no reason to believe that they don't. If someone can indicate how to
test them I'll do that. Ideally to trade for some sort of DEC VAX stuff.
--Chuck
Anyone need a GatorStar GXR?
From the web:
GatorStar GXR -- an active device that combines an AppleTalk router
attached to an Ethernet and a LocalTalk network with an AppleTalk to TCP/IP
gateway (LocalTalk does not support direct transmission of IP packets) so
that IP packets on the Ethernet are passed as special IP packets on the
LocalTalk. A GatorStar GXR is a specific example, there are other products
that do similar things
Best/Any offer by 5:00PM monday PST takes it. Minimum off is "I'll cover
the cost of mailing it to me."
I've also got an Emulex P800 which looks like a MAU but it could be a
terminal server. Its pretty cool is says "Performance 8000", has dual
Ethernet connections on the back (AUI), dual power supplies, and what looks
like 12 DB25 ports (I can't imagine a fault tolerant terminal server, but
there you go. Free to a home somewhere.
Finally I've got a couple DEC LanBridges (100 and a 150), they look like
straight bridges but they just have two AUI connectors. Perhaps they do
filtering or something?
--Chuck
This afternoon, I ordered, and then picked up, a cable with MMJ
connectors on it from Control Cable (they're in Woodlawn, MD) - a nice
place to deal with; they specialize in cabling and related products,
and what they sell appears to be of very good quality. The cost of
the assembled cable was only a few cents different from their cost for
a cable and two MMJ connectors, and was under US$5; of course, I had
to pay US$5 extra since the order was under US$50, but that was no
worse than shipping would have been if I'd ordered them from
elsewhere.
After connecting the VT320 to the VAX, I reset the system password.
Fortunately, this VAX has the "real VMS" (TM) for VAXen on it:
VAX/VMS, and it's a reasonably recent version: 5.5, which was close to
the lastest version of VMS back when I last worked with a VAX for an
employer, back around 1992. :-)
This far, I haven't noticed anything truly remarkable with regards to
software, although at first glance, it looks like nothing is missing.
Fortunately, someone installed kermit, so that will make things,
such as installing TCP/IP, easier. :-)
There appears to be a fair amount of audio software, which I think may
all be for use with that DECVoice system; text to voice software, for
example. Since I don't have a T1 telephone connection, alas, it
appears that I'm not going to be able to use this DECVoice hardware,
and the audio software on this machine.
Also, there's a mention of SQL in one of the text files that I looked
through, although I didn't notice any database software installed; of
course, I don't know the names of databases using SQL for VAXen.
DECnet is installed and apparently configured, so I guess this means
that I can use my DEC terminal server with this machine... do I need
to do anything other than connect the terminal server to the VAX and
then use it? I know nothing about DECnet.
Of course, there's still the little matter of no tape drive being
installed in this system, which is not a good thing. I have a TK70
and a TK50, along with a TKQ70 board.
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