test-drb October 2001

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by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, Since I am rapidly exhausting all space in my basement workshop, I need to move some of my computers to the loft above our garage. The problem is, the garage is completely UNinsulated, and has only a metal roof (i.e., thin, and NO resistance to temperature -- hot or cold). My concern is that the cold of winter or the heat of summer might get to them. I live in Massachusetts, so winter is not -40 degrees F, but we are talking below freezing, and possibly below zero for short stretches. In the summer, it must easily hit 100 degrees F in the loft, due to the hot metal roof, and the trapped air (no windows!). I'm not so worried about the circuit boards, but I am worried about floppy drives, hard drives, and CRTs. Does anyone know if such temperatures will kill these things? Obviously I would let the computer acclimate for about 24 hours after I move it back into my house, to avoid sudden temperature swings, or condensation. I'm more worried about the storage affecting them.... Thanks! Rich B.

23 years, 7 months

Model 12 <-> Okidata 600e

by kc4fwz＠bellsouth.net

I'm trying to help a friend of a friend interface an Okidata 600e printer with a Radio Shack Model 12 computer. Any idea if this is possible? He claims to have created an interface cable, but it doesn't work. Robert Matthews

23 years, 7 months

MAI Computer (uk) (fwd)

by kevan＠heydon.org

Please contact Matt directly if you are interested in this system. Kevan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mail <info(a)rothenberger.co.uk> Subject: MAI Computer Our company has in storage a MAI Basic 4 Information System,which I believe to be complete and functioning. We have no use for this and would be grateful if you could let me know whether this has any value and/or any people or companies you know of who might be interested in making me an offer. Matt Maguire Supply Chain Manager (Rothenberger UK Ltd.)

23 years, 7 months

IBM S/36 5363 Question

by mldrew＠drewtech.com

My $10.00 (not including packing and shipping... Ouch!!!) System 36-5363 arrived today!! It is much bigger than I thought! The case is built like a tank How do I get it open??? I got the back cover off, no problem... There is no obvious way in. Any hints would be greatly appreciated. Mike -- =============================================================================== Michael L. Drew Drew Technologies, Inc. 41 Enterprise Drive Ann Arbor, MI 48103 Phone: (734) 623-8080 Fax: (734) 623-8082 ===============================================================================

23 years, 7 months

need some advice on some VAX boards ...

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I might purchase some VAX boards for a good price, which I need to negotiate first and I need some help with finding out if I can use those in a VAX 6000-400 and/or -600 (XMI, VAXBI) machine. Here goes the list and following are specific questions T1010 DWBUA VAXBI-UNIBUS adapter (BI side) T1022/1023 DRB32, VAXBI-DRB adapter and DR11-W adapter T1031 KFBTA (AIE) BI RD Drive Controller T1060 VAX 9000 PEM Module T2020 XMI/NI controller T2022/2023 KDM70 XMI-SI adapter pair T2027 DEMFA XMI-FDDI controller T2028-AA XMI-LSB adapter T2029-AB XMI-SCSI adapter T2036-AA KFSMA, XMI-DSSI adapter T2080-YA CIXCD-AC XMI-CI adapter (for AXP and VAX 7k/10k) The intriguing thing about this pile is that it's relatively unusual hardware. I don't have this stuff yet and I don't get it for free. If you want any of it, chime in and tell me what you'd spend. I could make a bundle order that can give yet a better basis for negotiation. Detail: T1010 DWBUA VAXBI-UNIBUS adapter (BI side) - what cab-kit assembly is needed, is this something extremely hard to find? Can you give a model number for the cab-kit so I might find it somewhere? - I might want that because I plan to have a UNIBUS cabinet besides a VAX 11/780 in the near future. I could kind of swap the Unibus between the two machines. And I could use the UNIBUS frame buffer set that I might also get sometime. T1022/1023 DRB32, VAXBI-DRB adapter and DR11-W adapter T1031 KFBTA (AIE) BI RD Drive Controller - what the heck are DRB bus and what are the accessories needed to do anything useful with it? - and what are RD drives? Old junk? Are those available? How are they connected to the KFBTA? T1060 VAX 9000 PEM Module - there is actually a bunch of other 9000 modules. Anything useful to do with this in a VAX 6000's BI bus? T2020 XMI/NI controller - is this an XMI ethernet controller? Can it be used in an 6400 XMI bus? 6600? or only a 7000 and 10000? T2022/2023 KDM70 XMI-SI adapter pair - SI bus? Is this yet another disk/tape storage bus? Availability of disks? Old or new? This isn't the same as SBI (11/780) or SDI (KDB50) right? T2027 DEMFA XMI-FDDI controller - This should work on a 6400 XMI bus, right? T2028-AA XMI-LSB adapter - Laser bus? That's the 10000's bus, right? I assume that would require a whole LSB backplane, power, etc. etc., not feasible with a VAX 6000. T2029-AB XMI-SCSI adapter - Just checking: are these -AA, -AB, etc. suffixes anything that can make or break 6400 XMI compatibility? T2036-AA KFSMA, XMI-DSSI adapter - dito -AA -AB, etc. any issues there? T2080-YA CIXCD-AC XMI-CI adapter (for AXP and VAX 7k/10k) - dito. This sounds like a cool alternative for a faster CI link than through the BI bus. Your comments on any or all of the above are appreciated. And let me know if your heart is longing for anything of it and how much you would pay. (I don't make a profit from this, I'm trying to get a good price on a bulk order.) thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

23 years, 7 months

IBM S/36 5363 Question

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

Sridhar, I would be interested in those tech docs. Got a S/36 5363 sitting at my office. Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Absurdly Obtuse Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:55 PM To: Michael L. Drew Cc: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: Re: IBM S/36 5363 Question Nice find! Want technical docs? Peace... Sridhar On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Michael L. Drew wrote: > My $10.00 (not including packing and shipping... Ouch!!!) > System 36-5363 arrived today!! > > It is much bigger than I thought! > > The case is built like a tank > > How do I get it open??? > > I got the back cover off, no problem... > > There is no obvious way in. > > Any hints would be greatly appreciated. > > Mike > > > > > -- > > ============================================================================ === > > Michael L. Drew > Drew Technologies, Inc. > 41 Enterprise Drive > Ann Arbor, MI 48103 > Phone: (734) 623-8080 > Fax: (734) 623-8082 > ============================================================================ === > > >

23 years, 7 months

FDDI Cards

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

The only ones i've seen are SK-net brand, of which I have two in my IBM server 95s. In a message dated 10/2/2001 10:17:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vance(a)ikickass.org writes: << The problem with eBay though, is that many of the cards going through there are SAS and unlabeled. That. and I've never seen an IBM FDDI/MC on there. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Gunther Schadow wrote: > on ebay :-) > > yes, I've seen them scroll through recently. Several of them. > > -Gunther >>

23 years, 7 months

IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> Hmmm...are there EPROM's in it, or ROMs? I built a PC > compatible with a bare board and stuffed the chips and > soldered it when I was broke in college. The BIOS it > came with wasn't very PC compatible. So (and I'm not > making any excuses for this..) I wrote a program in > disk based GW-BASIC (I actually BOUGHT it) that looked > like it did something when in reality it was writing > 2048K ROM images of the BIOS and BASIC ROMS of a real > IBM PC to floppy. I took it to an IBM store (IBM had > "stores" then) and told the salesman that I wanted to > know if my program would really run on an IBM PC/XT. I > ran it, it "worked", I said, "thank you very much", > went to work, blew the EPROMS, stuffed 'em in my > motherboard, and then, my PC, although it had a wooden > case and a power supply shielded with Erector Set > parts, was really, really, definitely IBM PC > compatible!! Brilliant move! Glen 0/0

23 years, 7 months

IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

23 years, 7 months

IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Jan Koller wrote: > Glen, >> Why not display something understandable to a common user, such >> as "no bootable device?" > The same common user that needs their ports both labeled and color coded? Jan -- Yes, the same user. Most of them know what "boot" means, whereas ROM and BASIC are completely foreign to them. Glen 0/0

23 years, 7 months

IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

23 years, 7 months

IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

23 years, 7 months

Altair 8800a on EBAY

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 3, 13:54, Richard Erlacher wrote: > e.g. th Alpha-Micro, which was > reputed to be every bit competitive with the '11's. I don't know how they > compared in cost, however. The AM was "sort-of" S-100, in that it used S-100 > memory, but I can't say whether it worked with other devices. > > The Alpha Micro was pretty sought-after among the lip-service, but I never saw > one in someone's possession. I was offered one several years ago. I'm not sure of the configuration, but the storage was 2 x 8" floppies and I think it was a lot cheaper than a small PDP-11. Unfortunately, I didn't appreciate what I was looking at, turned down the (free) offer, and apparently it ended up in a skip (dumpster). Thank you for reminding me to kick myself :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 7 months

Cromemco S100 systems

by mhstein＠usa.net

Any Cromemco fans on this list? I've got piles of systems, cards & manuals looking for a home (Toronto area) mike mhstein(a)usa.net

23 years, 7 months

Philips machines (and AMT DAPs)

by twentech＠mercatel.nl

Mr. Fox, For information on the Philips minicomputers from the 1970's have a look at: http://home.debitel.net/user/groener1/comp_045.htm#Serien I am looking for a P857 computer myself. If you would find one, please let me know. Good luck. Edward P. Woldendorp 7602 ALMELO the Netherlands phone: +310546-873134 or 873135

23 years, 7 months

Toshiba T300 (Toronto area)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Anybody interested in a Toshiba T300 (Dual 600Kb floppy, semi-PC-compatible) w/disks & manuals? mike mhstein(a)usa.net

23 years, 7 months

Vector MZ's (Toronto area)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Anybody need any cards or parts for a Vector MZ S100 system? mike mhstein(a)usa.net

23 years, 7 months

AIM65 stuff - Toronto area

by mhstein＠usa.net

Anybody want or need any AIM65 stuff? Boards, keyboards, manuals but not many working printers or displays. Also a new AIM65-40 40 column printer (not compatible with the 20col model) mike mhstein(a)usa.net

23 years, 7 months

IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> > "No ROM BASIC" does not tell the user what happened. "No bootable device > > found" would be more helpful. > > Yes it does tell the user what happened. The system attempted to enter > ROM BASIC, there is no ROM BASIC and thus the system was halted. As Hans > said, INT 18h can be called from anywere, not just the bootstrap. Would > 'No bootable device found' make sense if another program tried to call > ROM BASIC, not as part of booting the system? Tony, have you dealt with any typical personal computer users lately? I do every day, and I can tell you that none of the ones I deal with -- and I mean *none* -- know what a ROM is, or what BASIC is. "No ROM BASIC" tells you, Tony Duell, what happened, but for the vast majority of users, it doesn't mean a thing. Glen 0/0

23 years, 7 months

Hyperion System disk needed

by mhstein＠usa.net

Does anyone have a system disk for a Hyperion that they could image and e-mail to me? I'd be most grateful. Also, I have a second Hyperion for parts if anybody needs anything (Toronto area) Thanks, mike mhstein(a)usa.net

23 years, 7 months

Semi OT: Radio Shack Armatron & May '85 issue of Radio-Electronics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> I just now copied them and they are available at: > > http://www.flummux.org/radio/ > > I can hold them indefinitely (I control the server (486, so it's within >the charter of this group 8-) and have plenty of disk space) but I would >prefer they go someplace more appropriate than my digpile domain 8-) Can you get pic 2,3 or 6 to open? I can't get them to work (your copy or the originals) on either my Mac, or my winME machine. If you can get them to open, can you either email them to me, or ftp them to ftp.mythtech.net (drop them in the incoming directory... I already have 1,4 and 5 there). I would also be happy to permanently host them (although I don't know how much more appropriate my domain is than yours... but either way). I can also convert them to a single PDF if people want. Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 7 months

VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North American three prong power cord but with a notch where it plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

23 years, 7 months

Radio Shack Armatron NEW page

by mythtech＠Mac.com

Ok.. the May 85 Radio-Electronics pages have been moved. The (or should I say A, since others are welcome to mirror them) page to download them is: <http://www.mythtech.net/armatron/> There are 6 pages, you can DL them individually (approx 150k each JPEGs), or you can download the single PDF of the pages (approx 5mb). They can stay here until someone that owns the copyright to them yells at me to take them down... or until further notice (which means, by tomorrow, I will have forgotten they are on my site, and they will end up being there pretty much forever). If anyone wants the original TIFF files, let me know. There was no real difference between the TIFF and the JPEG, except that the JPEG is about 4 times smaller. I have no plans on posting the TIFFs, but I will be archiving them to CD if anyone decides they want them. Thanks go out to Mike for taking the time to scan these, and work with me to get a good copy of them. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 7 months

Semi OT: Radio Shack Armatron & May '85 issue of Radio-Electronics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Hmmm, is it me or is everyone else having problems with arm2.tif and >arm3.tif? >I was able to open arm6.tif though.... > >Ram Yes, there was something wrong with the images 2,3 and 6... but thanks to Mike's infinite patience... I now have a complete set. The pages will be available on my web site in JPEG format (cuts them from about 1.2mb tiffs down to about 200k jpegs) and in a PDF "collection". They should be available by the time you read this (or within a few minutes after) at <http://www.mythtech.net/armatron/> -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 7 months

Semi OT: Radio Shack Armatron & May '85 issue of Radio-Electronics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I am planning on converting the Radio Shack Armatron to run off the >parallel port >of a PeeCee but need the plans to do it. I found the following site >that contains the conversion >needed for an Atari at: > >http://www.bitsofthepast.com/atari/arm.html > >The May '85 Radio-Electronics has the necessary instructions, sooo I was > >wondering if someone would be kind enought to either scan or mail me the > >article. I hate to sound like an AOL'er, but ME TOO! (that is, email me the directions too)... I have never thought of doing this, but it certainly would make my old armatron WAY more fun. (Humm... now I am going to have to pull it out and see if I can hook it up to my Lego Mindstorm... toss a remote control car body to the bottom, and I can terrorize my cat for hours!) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 7 months

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test-drb October 2001