test-drb October 2001

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259 participants
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by dittman＠dittman.net

> > The 21064 should work in a PC64 and the 21164 should work in either an > > EB164 or PC164. I've got extra PC64, EB164, and PC164 motherboards but > > you're overseas so finding one nearer to you would probably be cheaper. > > Do you know where I could find some docs that I could check to see if my > Alpha chips will work with these boards? I downloaded Digital/Compaq docs, > but can't find any informoation that confirms that these chips will work > with the boards you mention. The motherboard manuals were on the Digital website. They have probably moved around since I looked at them last. I'll see if I have the PDF files stuck somewhere. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 7 months

Looking for documentation/info

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

!From: John Ruschmeyer [mailto:jruschme@Mac.com] ! !> From: David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> !> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:49:55 -0400 !> !> I have a Unisys 486 computer. It's a SX-25, with a DX-50 in it also. !> It's mfg date is 10/92, and style number is SG-3102-425. !>t's "plateau" is !> labelled Evaluation Unit A. That would explain the XXXX in the FCC ID !> field... !> On the motherboard itself, it has a sticker with... !> 43611896-000 !> PW300 486SX/25 !> 9240 AVEX ! !Sounds like a 486SX/25 system upgraded to a DX2/50 with an !OverDrive chip. Close. But they are both regular 486 processors. 486SX/25 & 486DX2/50 !> ...while near the 30-pin memory, printed on the board is... !> UNISYS !> PW2 300/486 !> PWBA 43188028-000 !> !> Does anyone know where I can find out what the jumpers do on !> this board? Or other specs for it? I though I heard someone !> mention dual processor WRT this board, but I doubt it. There !> is also a smaller LIF socket next to the 2 LIF !> processor sockets. IIRC, that is for a 487 math co-processor... ! !I doubt that its for a 487... I almost wonder if this was some kind of !386/486 board. Well, it's a 15x15 pin socket, similar to the 17x17 socket for the 486 processors... If only I had the docs... I'd like to find out how fast I can push this board... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 7 months

need some advice on some VAX boards ...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 4, Ethan Dicks wrote: > I thought that it specifically _was_ the -1. I _think_ I have a DEC- > badged RD-32 (ST-252-1) from a Pro380 VAX 8530 console, but I might > be mistaken. Maybe they got what they could get in later years. Probably so. > > The ST251 had an average access time of 40ms (if memory serves) and > > the ST251-1 was 28.5ms. > > That sounds right. Stepper motor vs. voice coil. (The ST-225 was > something horrible like 65ms or more; I used to think seek-time didn't > matter much on a micro, but when I went from 65ms to 28 on my Amiga, > _wow_!) The ST251-1 is a stepper drive also, believe it or not. They actually built a stepper positioner that achieved 28.5ms. Back when it was new I heard something about them having patented it or something. The ST225 was indeed 65ms...scary slow. It made a great distinctive "peep-peep" sound, though...which I liked even more than the [still rather cool] "chirp-chirp" sound of the ST251 and ST251-1. :-) I believe the first voice-coil drvie in that family was the ST-4096, but I'm not positive of that. That was one nice drive. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

23 years, 7 months

Oddball memory (?) sticks....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Another 'whats-it' question here. I have two kinds of, what look like 72-pin memory... The first is only 64 pin, has 8 chips (AAA1M300J-08 NMBS 9122), with an empty spot for a 9th chip. Printed on the back - "1X964P A (in a circle) 9115". Apparently made by Microtech. My guess is it's 1MB non-parity memory, but I don't know what uses 64 pin memory sticks. I have 4 of these sticks. The second is 68 pin, 2 chip memory. Printed on the back, they're made in 1994, in the USA, by Cubig Inc. Model number (I think) of VM512K. 512KB memory sticks? Have 3 of them... Anyone have an idea what these are, and what they're for? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 7 months

Hard Drives

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Well sice this is not a PC centric group we may not be the best place for advice. However... JTS was a short lived supplier is low cost IDE drives and were noted for high failure rates though there were the occasional decent one in the pack. They were also very slow compared to the better WD, Seagate, Quantum and Maxtor. Oh, JTS disappeared withing two years after they show up. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, October 07, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Hard Drives >On Oct 7, 16:50, ajp166 wrote: >> Beats me what that drive is. This is a group for hardware over 10 years >> old. >> If it is that old you likely going to be fixing it yourself. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CByrd87043(a)aol.com <CByrd87043(a)aol.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:48 PM >> Subject: Hard Drives >> >> >> >I have a Hard Drive model P1200-2af. I need to know where can I send it >> to >> >get it fix or replace. It just stop working. > >It's a nothing-special 1.2GB IDE drive with a bad reputation, made by JTS. > JTS are no more, so the only likely option is to replace it with a >Seagate, WD, or whatever. > >JTS were famous for, amongst other things, buying part of Atari from the >Tramiel family, laying off a lot of staff, and then selling it to Hasbro >shortly after being de-listed by the stock exchange and shortly before >going bust in 1998. > >-- >Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York

23 years, 7 months

Osborne OCC1

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Joe wrote: > One of mine has a MODEM but I've never tried to use it. Does anyone > still support 1200 baud? The ZX-TEAM Mailbox supports 300-14400 baud ;>) Glen 0/0

23 years, 7 months

6502 BASIC or Assembler and Intel 8271/WDC 1770 info req'd

by dittman＠dittman.net

> I was not a RS user at the time and it's quite possible that the rumors I heard > regarding the M1 and those about the M3 were geting mixed together. I wasn't > even aware that there wasn't a two-sided option on the stock model 3. The third-party controllers were most popular on the Model 1, since the stock FDC was SD. There were a few third-party controllers for the Model III and the early Model 4, but they weren't as popular as the 1793 was more capable. The stock Model 1 FDC also had reliability problems that lead to third-party data separator plug-in circuits. The only Model 1/III/4 that came stock with DS drives was the 4D. Any other DS setup was third-party. The stock III/4 controllers (both the add-on in the III and early 4 and the built-in on the gate-array 4) had no problems with DS drives. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 7 months

IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > Yes, stupid isn't it. I've some across programs where the > help files for > installation are compressed on the CD-ROM, and thus can only be read > after installation. I wonder which genius came up with that idea. This is not terribly clever :-) > Ditto for putting hardware docs in machine-readable form > only. The time you _need_ those documents (as opposed > to just wanting a bit of light > reading) is when the machine won't boot.... Apart from the word "only" above, I humbly disagree. I have less than perhaps 300 paper manuals and printsets in all (and a fair proportion of those are non-technical Owner's Manuals and the like). Electronic manuals are a godsend for those of us who are severely restricted space-wise. Add to that all the scans of manuals and printsets that I can now find on the net, and I think that electronic manuals are terrific. I don't expect to read my manual on the Rainbow that I am repairing ... that's what the PC or laptop is for! > And a lot of modern manuals, even when you've figured out how to read > them do not contain the information that I would need. Not > even what I > would consider to be 'basic' information, like pinouts and > data formats. True but probably understandable these days. Things change so rapidly that there is no time to generate the manual. The schematics will exist somewhere (although getting hold of them will be difficult for an outsider for the usual reasons of commercial sensitivity) but documentation is usually sketchy at best. Things may be a little different in the consumer arena, but the most I've been able to find have been the TV manuals in the RTSG (or whatever it's called ... my current TV came with a five year guarantee and the previous one was a Decca series 80 chassis that was already old when I got it ... must be 10 years since I've needed to pop into a library to consult that book!). Antonio

23 years, 7 months

IBM ROM BASIC or lack thereof

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > If I was being totally honest, I would probably admit that there are > times where board-swapping makes sense. Not _all the time_, though... > There are certainly times when component level repair make financial > sense (even when you consider the time taken to replace the > component), > and is also the fastest way to get the machine working again. I cannot think of too many cases (at least in our current machine room - or indeed anywhere else I have been) where a repair is better for either the customer or the repairer. If I look at the routers and switches in our racks, the PSUs swap out, the fan tray swaps out and all of the cards swap out. The backplane and switching fabrics are a little harder - but not much. Replacing a card is the work of moments and will be much cheaper for the customer (in terms of down time) and the supplier (in terms of the amount of training needed by the FE). Even five to ten years ago (the times of the VAX 4000 and VAX 6000) I expect that the same economics would have applied. In fact, I believe that the machines were designed to keep MTTR low (and MTBF high !). You would have to go back to the early eighties, the days of the VAX-11/7xx and the VAX 86xx, to find FEs fixing components on site. In those days machines cost a great deal more and people (even highly trained people) cost a great deal less. Now once the card has been pulled and returned to base, then it is probably worthwhile having a repair line where someone with the appropriate skills can find the fault and fix it. Obviously if it costs more to do this than it does to simply use brand new boards as swap-ins, then even this repair won't be done. This is not to say that I won't fix the washing machine or the TV myself once they go out of waranty (but even there it was cheaper to get a new drain pump than try to repair the broken one!) > No, what worries me is that people are not being taught about > component-level design and repair any more (design and repair > are not the same thing, of course). I too am concerned about that sort of dumbing down. At least in those courses where it is appropriate. OTOH it seems perfectly reasonable to me that *most* people could care less about how their computer works - after all most people seem to be that way about their TV, car, DVD etc. I, for one, do not particularly enjoy plumbing, for example. > > replacement modules. People like Tony are few and far between. > > Probably because very few employers want people like me.... Economics again. Employers only need one of you for every N field service engineers. Your kind of skills cost money ... and if they don't you aren't doing the rest of us any favours - stop it :-) Antonio

23 years, 7 months

6502 BASIC or Assembler and Intel 8271/WDC 1770 info req'd

by philpem＠bigfoot.com

On 7 Oct 2001 1:36:56 +0100 "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> said: > Philip Pemberton skrev: > >I've got two Western Design Center W65SC02s (14MHz >6502s! Woohoo!) to play > >with, plus a Synertek SY6502A (the 2MHz one), two W65SC22s (10MHz WDC 6502s) > >and two Synertek 6522s (1MHz). > 14 MHz? You're kidding! That's criminally fast! I kid you not! Go to www.6502.org, grab the datasheet for the W65SC02 and look at page 43. For $4, it's bloody good value. Anyone care to start another bulk-buy? Maybe Mike Nabarezny (sp?), webmaster of 6502.org and the guy who did the original 6502 Bulk Order would care to do another one? > > 2) Has anyone got a schematic for a fairly half-decent 16-colour (or > >better) video card that can be modified to work on a 6502? I've had a look > >at the NASCOM schematics but I've heard Bad Things(tm) about the NASCOM > >video system. Aparrently Gemini and a few others produced colour video cards > >for the NASCOM. Anyone got schematics for these? Graphics would also be nice > >(the NASCOM video system is text only). > Tony mentioned teletext chips a few days ago. Don't know if those perhaps are > only 8-colour, though. Tony? I've got an SAA5050. Anyone know how to use it without the SAA5020 timing generator? I've also got a Microvitec Cub 653 monitor. TTL input, composite sync. How can I get Csync from Vsync and Hsync? > > BTW, I'd like to avoid obsolete components if that's at all possible. > >I've got a Hitachi HD6845 but if the 40-odd page datasheet is anything to go > >by, it's a real dog to use... And it only works in monochrome. I have got a > >MOS Tech 6568(?) VIC-II, the same one used in the UK Commodore 64. The PSU > >for this C64 is fried, took out some of the support components with it. > The VIC is quite well-documented, and it would certainly be interesting to see > it in a non-C64, 14 MHz 6502 system. =) I doubt a VIC will run at 14MHz. Later. -- Phil. philpem(a)bigfoot.com http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/

23 years, 7 months

CBM8032 - wobbly screen (The saga continues)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 8, 13:36, Jan Koller wrote: > > > Anneal - is that where you heat it up & hit it with a hammer? Or do you > > just heat it up and let it cool again? I forget now... It's been a long > > long time since I had any metalwork lessons. > > Heat to cherry red, then cool very slowly, often covered in lime, IIRC, > to hold the heat in. The very slow cooling keeps the metal soft, vs > cooling quickly ( quenching ) to harden. For mild steel, yes. You need to let it "soak" in the heat for about an hour per inch of thickness for it to be fully effective, too. For other metals, the temperatures vary and the slow cooling is usually unnecessary. In fact, for mumetal (as used for magnetic sheilding) the typical annealing temperature (to get the best magnetic properties in this case, rather than greatest malleability) is in the region of 1250 C to 1600 C (cherry red is about 800 C), and it's supposed to be quenched very rapidly to preserve the fine grain structure. For copper, the annealing temperature is between 400 C and 750 C depending on impurities and how it was hardened, and it doesn't make much difference whether it's quenched or not. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 7 months

question about vaxservers

by jfayre＠sun.com

Hello Everyone, I have a question: Someone on Ebay is selling a Vaxserver 3100 model 10. The question is: what is the difference betwen a vaxserver and a vaxstation 3100? This wil be my first vax system. Is this a good one to grab? I'm new to this, so any help would be apreciated.

23 years, 7 months

question about vaxservers

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Hello Everyone, > I have a question: > Someone on Ebay is selling a Vaxserver 3100 model 10. > The question is: what is the difference betwen a vaxserver and a vaxstation > 3100? This wil be my first vax system. Is this a good one to grab? > > I'm new to this, so any help would be apreciated. The only *physical* difference is the lack of graphics hardware on the VAXserver, however, the more important difference is that a VAXserver requires different licenses than a VAXstation. This isn't that important if you're using a Hobbyist license though. Where this becomes important is if you've got a VAXstation with Commercial licenses and try to run it headless and without a keyboard (at which point the OS thinks it's running on a VAXserver). As for if it's a good system to grab, it's not a bad system, but there are better, and the external SCSI port is probably non-standard (requireing a special DEC cable. I'd personally recommend a VAXstation 4000/VLC as a first VAX. OTOH, the 3100m10 should hopefully go for next to nothing, which does make it attractive. Plus you can temporarily hook a CD-ROM up to the internal SCSI cable to load VMS. Zane

23 years, 7 months

Still looking

by dittman＠dittman.net

> I am still looking for the Digital Alpha 233 MHz 21066A CPU. I am > interested > in buying it or swapping it for the following Alpha hardware: > > 1x Digital Alpha 233 MHz 21064BB CPU > 1x Digital Alpha 266 MHz 21164AA CPU Both of these are faster than the 21066A CPU. Perhaps you should look for a motherboard for either of these processors instead of the 21066A CPU. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 7 months

Still looking

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > > 1x Digital Alpha 233 MHz 21064BB CPU > > > 1x Digital Alpha 266 MHz 21164AA CPU > > > > Both of these are faster than the 21066A CPU. Perhaps you should look > > for a motherboard for either of these processors instead of the 21066A > > CPU. > > I did look for m/b for these, but they seem to be used only in > AlphaStations/Server. If you know of an OEM board that takes them I'd be > very interested to learn its part number/model name. The 21064 should work in a PC64 and the 21164 should work in either an EB164 or PC164. I've got extra PC64, EB164, and PC164 motherboards but you're overseas so finding one nearer to you would probably be cheaper. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 7 months

Pro350 Available.

by dittman＠dittman.net

I know of someone that has a Pro350 available. If anyone is interested, please let me know and I'll forward you their email address. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 7 months

Docs and software wanted for OPUS 300PM

by dan＠ekoan.com

This weekend I picked up an OPUS 300PM, which from what I can gather is a Fairchild Clipper computer on an ISA card. All I have is the card -- no manuals, documentation or software, so any pointers to further information on this card would be most welcome. The card is silkscreened with a date of 1987, so it is on-topic. Cheers, Dan

23 years, 7 months

[Fwd: [swap] CPM Books]

by jrasite＠eoni.com

>From the LEM Swap list... Jim

23 years, 7 months

DEC TK50-GA tape drive/ Windows 9x

by callwright＠earthlink.net

Hello All, I own a pair of DEC TK50-GA external SCSI tape drives which I'd like to use as storage on my PC (Windows 98). Can anyone tell me: 1. if this is possible 2. if possible, what hardware/software is required 3. source(s) of required hardware/software Kevin Wright Email: callwright(a)earthlink.net

23 years, 7 months

In Search of RS/6000 POWERserver 930

by wilby98＠yahoo.com

I am looking for a RS/6000 POWERserver 930 or equivalent. So if there is anyone here in the Netherlands or a nearby country who is looking to give one away, please contact me at my email address. This would just be a hobby machine to add to my small collection of "old stuff" and learn a bit on the way. Bill S. Amsterdam, NL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

23 years, 7 months

Hard Drives

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> wrote: > However... JTS was a short lived supplier is low cost IDE drives and > were noted for high failure rates though there were the occasional > decent one in the pack. They were also very slow compared to > the better WD, Seagate, Quantum and Maxtor. Don't I also remember that JTS was flogging the notion (later used by Quantum "Bigfoot" drives) of building 5.25" hard drives well after everyone else was making 3.5" units? The idea(s) being that all those PC cases were being made with 5.25" drive bays that were going unused; and 5.25" platters could have more surface area than 3.5" ones, so you could get the same capacity with fewer heads and hence lower cost (and almost certainly lower performance, but who pays attention to disk drive performance at the low end?). -Frank McConnell

23 years, 7 months

older SGI and Mac equipment available for free

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Sat, 6 Oct 2001 4:56:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> writes: > On October 6, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote: > > Hey Dave, can you hold onto a Quadra for me? > > Sure, if you can grab it before I move...end of October... > > -Dave Cool! Actually I talked w/ Brian today who said he was coming up there tomorrow probably (definately this week). Anyhow, would you send it along with him? He said he'd bring it back for me earlier than I could get there to get it. BTW, I do plan on coming up to help. Just let me know when.

23 years, 7 months

6502 BASIC or Assembler and Intel 8271/WDC 1770 info req'd

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 7, 22:36, Philip Pemberton wrote: > On 7 Oct 2001 1:36:56 +0100 "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> said: > > Tony mentioned teletext chips a few days ago. Don't know if those perhaps > are > > only 8-colour, though. Tony? The SAA5050 is certainly only 8-colour (plus attributes like flashing) and as far as I know so are later teletext chips. > I've got an SAA5050. Anyone know how to use it without the SAA5020 timing > generator? Take a look at the circuit diagram for a BBC micro; it uses a 6845 for timing and an SAA5050 to generate the teletext screen mode. http://bbc.nvg.org/mirror/www.acorn.com/ftp/documents/circuits/ > I've also got a Microvitec Cub 653 monitor. TTL input, composite sync. How > can I get Csync from Vsync and Hsync? XOR them together; feed the unbuffered TTL outputs to a 74LS86 or similar, and buffer the output with a transistor. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 7 months

Hard Drives

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 7, 18:58, ajp166 wrote: > Well sice this is not a PC centric group we may not be the best place > for advice. > > However... JTS was a short lived supplier is low cost IDE drives and > were noted for high failure rates though there were the occasional > decent one in the pack. They were also very slow compared to > the better WD, Seagate, Quantum and Maxtor. They had some problems with master/slave selection as well. They made it to the list of "Worst Models Ever" at www.driveservice.com/bestwrst.htm with "JTS any model". > Oh, JTS disappeared withing two years after they show up. That's a bit of an exaggeration :-) They were around for a while before they did the Atari deal (1996?), making drives from 1994, and went bust in 1998. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 7 months

older SGI and Mac equipment available for free

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On October 7, Full SCSI wrote: > Why are you selling the Mog Dave? While I'm quite attached to that truck, I don't drive it nearly enough...and frankly, I could really use the money. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

23 years, 7 months

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