The short answer is this: Same difference as a SPARCServer and a SPARCStation The VAXServers were licensed differently (time share users) vs the VAXStations (as a workstation). There are a few internal differences as well. As for a first VAX I'd say that no, its not really a good choice as a first VAX. My reasoning is as follows: - If your goal is to experience "VAXness" then just get a VAX 4000/VLC. Its small, reasonably quick, and can operate as either a workstation or a server. - If your goal is to write code that talks to unusual devices then get a Qbus based VAX like the MicroVAX II or a MicroVAX 3{4,5,6,8,9}00 - If your goal is to do code development, perhaps support a VMS effort then get a fast Desktop VAX 4000/90a - If you want to do both get a VAX 4000/10x and a Qbus cabinet to attach to it. If you are in the San Francisco Bay Area, I can help "VAXenate" you. :-) I've got a couple looking for new homes. --Chuck At 08:59 AM 10/8/01, you wrote: